Greg Monroe to OKC?

DontH8TheBrody · Post #1 » by **DontH8TheBrody** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 7:32 pm

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This guy is still super young and has obviously had some issues with Detroit and wants out. I think he would be a great 3rd option after KD/Russ as he looks super skilled with his back to the basket. Last 3 years he has almost averaged a double/double and he is still only 23. I would trade a combination of Lamb/Perkins/Future 1st round maybe 2 for Monroe. Don't know if that would be enough value though. How do you guys think he would fit? Not sure if we would be under the cap either, would possibly have to move more.

Westbrook/Jackson/Telfair
Roberson/Morrow/Jones
Durant/Jones
Ibaka/Collison/Mcgary
Monroe/Adams

Bravenewworld · Post #2 » by **Bravenewworld** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 9:08 pm

Ill give them Perry Jones, exemption cap, and a pick.

AND, in the deal you have to convince Kendrick Perkins to retire, but remain on the staff to help develop the young bigs defense.

Post #3 » by **bondom34** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 9:55 pm

I'd do the deal Brodie said for sure I just doubt Detroit even considers.

Space Dracula · Post #4 » by **Space Dracula** » Fri Aug 1, 2014 10:57 pm

Greg Monroe wants and probably will eventually get a max or near-max deal from someone. Don't think we're the team to give it to him.

DontH8TheBrody · Post #5 » by **DontH8TheBrody** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 12:49 am

What about Lamb, Jones, 1st?

Kizz Fastfists · Post #6 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 1:30 am

I don't see how Monroe fits. He is basically Zach Randolph without the mid-range game and I don't see how that fits in OKC. If he were a rim protector it would be a completely different story, but he's not. He's a more skilled Perkins without the defensive credentials. Detroit has all the leverage unless Monroe takes the QO to be a UFA next off-season and forces their hand. So you are going to have to pay a premium and he is going to take you into the tax.

You are looking at something like Perkins, Reggie and Adams to get Detroit to move him. I'm not willing to pay the price it will take in assets and roster flexibility going forward. Monroe would make the offense better, but not the defense. He would cost at least one the young big men in Adams or McGary. I'd rather have Adams than Monroe going forward. If OKC needed another scorer then it would make sense, but with KD, Russ, Ibaka, Morrow and expected development from Adams, Lamb and PJ3 I don't see the need on a max contract. If we were talking about a $10M/yr contract then that would be completely different.

Monroe wants out of Detroit because he will never be the starting center there and he wants to be a starting center. So if you trade for him you are going to have to either send Adams there, or another team as a 3 team trade, or Adams is your back-up center until he hits RFA and gets an offer you can't match. I'd rather have Adams, Reggie and Pleiss in 2015-2016 than Monroe and Pleiss. Even if you don't trade Reggie to get Monroe, you can't afford to match his offers in RFA without going into at least the 2nd level of the tax.

guille4s · Post #7 » by **guille4s** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 11:48 am

Monroe is a great player, but he doesn't protect the rim and doesn't space the floor well. Good post-up player but OKC doesn't use those, so...where and how do we land him?

HeartSouloma · Post #8 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 6:37 pm

guille4s wrote:Monroe is a great player, but he doesn't protect the rim and doesn't space the floor well. Good post-up player but OKC doesn't use those, so...where and how do we land him?

OKC wanted to sign Pau Gasol, and he's not a rim protector. OKC needs a post-up player that can slow down the offense occasionally when Durant & WB are not hot in game situations. That's why they wanted Pau.

DontH8TheBrody · Post #9 » by **DontH8TheBrody** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 6:44 pm

It would be awesome if we could develop one of our bigs to do this.

Ibaka you would think would have the tools but he much prefers pick and pop which he is great at.

Maybe Adams or Pleiss will be the guy.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #10 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 10:35 pm

KDfan35 wrote:OKC wanted to sign Pau Gasol, and he's not a rim protector. OKC needs a post-up player that can slow down the offense occasionally when Durant & WB are not hot in game situations. That's why they wanted Pau.

Gasol spaces the floor, was being pursued for $5.7M, was not going to cost any assets other then money and is more skilled on both sides of the ball than Monroe. If Monroe is going to sign for $7.5M with a S&T for Perkins then get me Monroe. However, that adding Monroe would be comparable to Gasol and there is no way that Monroe would take that little money or the Pistons give him up for just Perkins.

Space Dracula · Post #11 » by **Space Dracula** » Sat Aug 2, 2014 11:24 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
KDfan35 wrote:OKC wanted to sign Pau Gasol, and he's not a rim protector. OKC needs a post-up player that can slow down the offense occasionally when Durant & WB are not hot in game situations. That's why they wanted Pau.

Gasol spaces the floor, was being pursued for $5.7M, was not going to cost any assets other then money and is more skilled on both sides of the ball than Monroe. If Monroe is going to sign for $7.5M with a S&T for Perkins then get me Monroe. However, that adding Monroe would be comparable to Gasol and there is no way that Monroe would take that little money or the Pistons give him up for just Perkins.

Pretty much. Monroe's good. But the $ he wants is value prohibitive. I think Detroit is smart not to cave.

HeartSouloma · Post #12 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 12:31 am

So we all agree that money n Perkins is the problem.

Post #13 » by **bondom34** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 1:20 am

KDfan35 wrote:So we all agree that money n Perkins is the problem.

Not really, the problem is would you rather:
Monroe
or
Perk, Adams, Lamb, and a pick

I'd rather keep the latter. If they take a package like Perk, Lamb, and a first sure, but they won't. He's good but I'd rather keep Adams.

Space Dracula · Post #14 » by **Space Dracula** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 2:00 am

KDfan35 wrote:So we all agree that money n Perkins is the problem.

The problem is that you don't want to give up assets for the right to overpay someone. That was my issue with the idea of getting Pau Gasol in S&T for $10mm+ a season. Greg Monroe wants max, which could be a defensible contract for him in a vacuum maybe. But for us -- including the fact that we'd have to give Detroit something to get him. Too much.

Also, Greg Monroe would not be easily traded by Detroit since he would trigger BYC in a S&T. Perkins + Adams + whoever for Monroe does not work since Monroe's outgoing trade value would be 50% of his new salary.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

Kizz Fastfists · Post #15 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 3:23 am

KDfan35 wrote:So we all agree that money n Perkins is the problem.

Perkins is the only reason Monroe is a pipe dream for people who want him. Without that contract you would be talking about Ibaka for Monroe, because that is the only thing that would make the contracts work. Perkins isn't a problem. If OKC were going to pursue giving Monroe a max contract he would be an asset. Monroe's contract is the issue.

Do you really think giving max to KD, Westbrook, Monroe and Ibaka and having a support cast is possible? Maybe for the Lakers, Knicks or Nets, but no one else is going to be going $25M into the tax. you have 115% of the cap tied up in just those four players after Ibaka and Westbrook re-sign. Just filling with rookie contracts and league minimum guys for your other 9 spots would have you around $100M in payroll. Then throw the tax bill on top of it.

HeartSouloma · Post #16 » by **HeartSouloma** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 4:35 am

I see. Don't want OKC to give up that many assets for Monroe. On top of that OKC is a small market too, so I can see why it's a pipe dream.

Space Dracula · Post #17 » by **Space Dracula** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 5:03 am

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
KDfan35 wrote:So we all agree that money n Perkins is the problem.

Perkins is the only reason Monroe is a pipe dream for people who want him. Without that contract you would be talking about Ibaka for Monroe, because that is the only thing that would make the contracts work. Perkins isn't a problem. If OKC were going to pursue giving Monroe a max contract he would be an asset. Monroe's contract is the issue.

Ibaka for Monroe or Perkins for Monroe wouldn't work due to BYC being triggered.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #18 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 6:43 am

Space Dracula wrote:Ibaka for Monroe or Perkins for Monroe wouldn't work due to BYC being triggered.

BYC does not apply. Detroit would not go over the cap giving Monroe a max contract. Detroit currently only has $38M on the books. A max deal, around $15M, still leaves them $10M under the cap. Bird rights would not be used in re-signing Monroe because they have the cap room to fit the whole contract into their cap space. This is the reason the Meeks contract has not been finalized yet by Detroit. While Detroit makes some terrible basketball decisions, their cap person has been smart enough to avoid them doing something as stupid as eliminating their ability to get talent back in a S&T with Monroe.

guille4s · Post #19 » by **guille4s** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 1:51 pm

KDfan35 wrote:OKC wanted to sign Pau Gasol, and he's not a rim protector. OKC needs a post-up player that can slow down the offense occasionally when Durant & WB are not hot in game situations. That's why they wanted Pau.

As said, of course we'd sign him if he take <10M and they accept Perk as a S&T, but that's just a dream.
And the OKC offense (as Ibaka said not long ago) doesn't need that type of players (Would be good but not a huge need), because they space the floor for KD & Russ going to the rim and also space for the shooters. That explains a lot the evolution of Ibaka, instead of learning post-up he has gone far from the rim and now he has three point range.
So...Monroe seems not to be an option unless the Pistons are stupid (something I will not deny)

Space Dracula · Post #20 » by **Space Dracula** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 3:22 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:
Space Dracula wrote:Ibaka for Monroe or Perkins for Monroe wouldn't work due to BYC being triggered.

BYC does not apply. Detroit would not go over the cap giving Monroe a max contract. Detroit currently only has $38M on the books. A max deal, around $15M, still leaves them $10M under the cap. Bird rights would not be used in re-signing Monroe because they have the cap room to fit the whole contract into their cap space. This is the reason the Meeks contract has not been finalized yet by Detroit. While Detroit makes some terrible basketball decisions, their cap person has been smart enough to avoid them doing something as stupid as eliminating their ability to get talent back in a S&T with Monroe.

Mark Deeks has Meeks, Augustin and Butler on their books already.