Love #5: P. 88, Bulls 'moving on' from Love

[TheStig]

Bosh was just as good and a far better defender.
Bosh in last season in Toronto 25 per and a .592 TS 1 block
Love last season in Minnie 26.9 and .591 TS .05 blocks

Bosh was a dynamic player.

That looks pretty simple since you ignored the fact that Love scored more, stretched the floor more,assisted more and rebounded more. Basically he did everything better on the offensive end. And while he was a worse defender, I will remind you the possession doesn't end till you get the rebound. And Love was is an elite rebounder. And its not like Bosh was some tremendous defender. He was average at best.

The thing that will be the biggest change for the Cavs vs Heat is that the Cavs will be an elite rebounding team. They won't get killed on the boards like the Heat did by us. Pounding the glass was our biggest advantage. You guys write them off too quickly, if they get Love, they are pretty big favorites over everyone else.

Bosh was a similar player but not as good.

Bosh last year in Toronto

Bosh 25 pt
Love 26.1
Bosh 10.8
Love 12.8 reb
If the Cavs do not get killed on the boards. It will because Varejo was there playing center. He is about equal to the offensive player Nosh was coming in. Love will be a third option. His overall numbers will drop.

I think less of Kyrie and Love. Bosh and Wade were better all around ball players. Both actually could help protect the rim.

Bosh and Wade were better then Love and Kyrie are right now.

Bosh averaged 24ppg not 25. Love was +2ppg, +1.7rbg, +2apg,+ 1.9 per. +2.2 3pters a game. Overall better. Love has also been top 3 in the league in rebounds the last 3 years, including leading the league once. If you don't think he is an elite rebounder, there is something wrong. Meaning Varejo can guard the better post player and Love can focus on rebounding and hitting bron and irving with a outlet pass since he is such a good passer.

[Indomitable]

That looks pretty simple since you ignored the fact that Love scored more, stretched the floor more,assisted more and rebounded more. Basically he did everything better on the offensive end. And while he was a worse defender, I will remind you the possession doesn't end till you get the rebound. And Love was is an elite rebounder. And its not like Bosh was some tremendous defender. He was average at best.

The thing that will be the biggest change for the Cavs vs Heat is that the Cavs will be an elite rebounding team. They won't get killed on the boards like the Heat did by us. Pounding the glass was our biggest advantage. You guys write them off too quickly, if they get Love, they are pretty big favorites over everyone else.

Bosh was a similar player but not as good.

Bosh last year in Toronto

Bosh 25 pt
Love 26.1
Bosh 10.8
Love 12.8 reb
If the Cavs do not get killed on the boards. It will because Varejo was there playing center. He is about equal to the offensive player Nosh was coming in. Love will be a third option. His overall numbers will drop.

I think less of Kyrie and Love. Bosh and Wade were better all around ball players. Both actually could help protect the rim.

Bosh and Wade were better then Love and Kyrie are right now.

Bosh averaged 24ppg not 25. Love was +2ppg, +1.7rbg, +2apg,+ 1.9 per. +2.2 3pters a game. Overall better. Love has also been top 3 in the league in rebounds the last 3 years, including leading the league once. If you don't think he is an elite rebounder, there is something wrong. Meaning Varejo can guard the better post player and Love can focus on rebounding and hitting bron and irving with a outlet pass since he is such a good passer.

And the Cavs frontcourt still is less athletic and lacks Miami ability to go small with Love playing the 5. Miami big 3 were more versatile then the Cavs big 3.

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[TheStig]

Bosh last year in Toronto

Bosh 25 pt
Love 26.1
Bosh 10.8
Love 12.8 reb
If the Cavs do not get killed on the boards. It will because Varejo was there playing center. He is about equal to the offensive player Nosh was coming in. Love will be a third option. His overall numbers will drop.

I think less of Kyrie and Love. Bosh and Wade were better all around ball players. Both actually could help protect the rim.

Bosh and Wade were better then Love and Kyrie are right now.

Bosh averaged 24ppg not 25. Love was +2ppg, +1.7rbg, +2apg,+ 1.9 per. +2.2 3pters a game. Overall better. Love has also been top 3 in the league in rebounds the last 3 years, including leading the league once. If you don't think he is an elite rebounder, there is something wrong. Meaning Varejo can guard the better post player and Love can focus on rebounding and hitting bron and irving with a outlet pass since he is such a good passer.

And the Cavs frontcourt still is less athletic and lacks Miami ability to go small with Love playing the 5. Miami big 3 were more versatile then the Cavs big 3.

Lol why can't they go small? What C is going to torch Love that didn't torch Bosh? Not that they need to go small because they have an actual front court.

[WindyCityBorn]

Bosh averaged 24ppg not 25. Love was +2ppg, +1.7rbg, +2apg,+ 1.9 per. +2.2 3pters a game. Overall better. Love has also been top 3 in the league in rebounds the last 3 years, including leading the league once. If you don't think he is an elite rebounder, there is something wrong. Meaning Varejo can guard the better post player and Love can focus on rebounding and hitting bron and irving with a outlet pass since he is such a good passer.

And the Cavs frontcourt still is less athletic and lacks Miami ability to go small with Love playing the 5. Miami big 3 were more versatile then the Cavs big 3.

Lol why can't they go small? What C is going to torch Love that didn't torch Bosh? Not that they need to go small because they have an actual front court.

You mention Thompson as part of the Cavs formidable frontcourt, but isn't he likely headed to Minnesota? So Love, Varejo and nothing else up front?

[TheStig]

And the Cavs frontcourt still is less athletic and lacks Miami ability to go small with Love playing the 5. Miami big 3 were more versatile then the Cavs big 3.

Lol why can't they go small? What C is going to torch Love that didn't torch Bosh? Not that they need to go small because they have an actual front court.

You mention Thompson as part of the Cavs formidable frontcourt, but isn't he likely headed to Minnesota? So Love, Varejo and nothing else up front?

I thought the leading rumor was Wiggins and Bennett. Maybe with a future 1st.

[kingkirk]

Bosh 09-10 vs Love 13-14

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     Bosh    Love
PPG  23.9    25.9
RPG  10.8    12.4
APG   2.4     4.4
BPG   1.0     0.5
SPG   0.6     0.8
FG%  51.8    45.7
3P%  36.4    37.6
TS%  59.2    59.1
PER  25.0    26.9

The numbers are extremely close, and that doesn't factor in defense.

I don't think Kevin Love was any better than 09-10 Bosh, who was already the more rounded player and had been to the post season whilst playing both sides of the ball.

Love's offensive game is not superior enough to suggest that he is the better player over Bosh, who may have been lesser on the offensive end (i don't agree with that) but clearly better defensively.

[Costa78]

I think the one thing about Love that goes underrated is that he is a pretty damn good passer. My only worry is that he relies heavily on assisted baskets, doesn't create much due to the fact that he isn't a true post player. Still wouldn't mind him on our team.

[bullsaficianado]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but Wiggins' jersey has been removed from nba.com for purchasing. Could be nothing, but could be an indication that it's all but done.

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Someone knows the deal is in the bag already or they are doing that as a precaution he does get traded. Nobody wants to print and make jerseys for a player that won't be there in a few weeks. They would be ultimately losing money (many would get returned by fans), so it's wise to discontinue the jersey till further notice.

[keloms]

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Wiggins becomes trade eligible on the 23rd.

[Mech Engineer]

Bosh 09-10 vs Love 13-14

Per 36

Code: Select all

       Bosh    Love
PPG  23.9    25.9
RPG  10.8    12.4
APG   2.4     4.4
BPG   1.0     0.5
SPG   0.6     0.8
FG%  51.8    45.7
3P%  36.4    37.6
TS%  59.2    59.1
PER  25.0    26.9

The numbers are extremely close, and that doesn't factor in defense.

I don't think Kevin Love was any better than 09-10 Bosh, who was already the more rounded player and had been to the post season whilst playing both sides of the ball.

Love's offensive game is not superior enough to suggest that he is the better player over Bosh, who may have been lesser on the offensive end (i don't agree with that) but clearly better defensively.

The under-rated part of Bosh is his superior athleticism for a big man which helps on defense. His offense is nothing to be laughed at by Bulls fans. The Bulls have had a tough time containing him with all the big man defense they have had.

[Jordan45822]

about time Glen Taylor reveals the inevitable he was rolling himself before

[Mr Loggins]

Bosh was just as good and a far better defender.
Bosh in last season in Toronto 25 per and a .592 TS 1 block
Love last season in Minnie 26.9 and .591 TS .05 blocks

Bosh was a dynamic player.

That looks pretty simple since you ignored the fact that Love scored more, stretched the floor more,assisted more and rebounded more. Basically he did everything better on the offensive end. And while he was a worse defender, I will remind you the possession doesn't end till you get the rebound. And Love was is an elite rebounder. And its not like Bosh was some tremendous defender. He was average at best.

The thing that will be the biggest change for the Cavs vs Heat is that the Cavs will be an elite rebounding team. They won't get killed on the boards like the Heat did by us. Pounding the glass was our biggest advantage. You guys write them off too quickly, if they get Love, they are pretty big favorites over everyone else.

Bosh was a similar player but not as good.

Bosh last year in Toronto

Bosh 25 pt
Love 26.1
Bosh 10.8
Love 12.8 reb
If the Cavs do not get killed on the boards. It will because Varejo was there playing center. He is about equal to the offensive player Nosh was coming in. Love will be a third option. His overall numbers will drop.

I think less of Kyrie and Love. Bosh and Wade were better all around ball players. Both actually could help protect the rim.

Bosh and Wade were better then Love and Kyrie are right now.

I see you gave Bosh an extra ppg

[Indomitable]

Bosh averaged 24ppg not 25. Love was +2ppg, +1.7rbg, +2apg,+ 1.9 per. +2.2 3pters a game. Overall better. Love has also been top 3 in the league in rebounds the last 3 years, including leading the league once. If you don't think he is an elite rebounder, there is something wrong. Meaning Varejo can guard the better post player and Love can focus on rebounding and hitting bron and irving with a outlet pass since he is such a good passer.

And the Cavs frontcourt still is less athletic and lacks Miami ability to go small with Love playing the 5. Miami big 3 were more versatile then the Cavs big 3.

Lol why can't they go small? What C is going to torch Love that didn't torch Bosh? Not that they need to go small because they have an actual front court.

It is called defense. Bosh actually gave you some along with Lebron, Battier, and Wade. Love, Kyrie , Ray, Miller are fine offensive players but they will struggle defend.

[Indomitable]

That looks pretty simple since you ignored the fact that Love scored more, stretched the floor more,assisted more and rebounded more. Basically he did everything better on the offensive end. And while he was a worse defender, I will remind you the possession doesn't end till you get the rebound. And Love was is an elite rebounder. And its not like Bosh was some tremendous defender. He was average at best.

The thing that will be the biggest change for the Cavs vs Heat is that the Cavs will be an elite rebounding team. They won't get killed on the boards like the Heat did by us. Pounding the glass was our biggest advantage. You guys write them off too quickly, if they get Love, they are pretty big favorites over everyone else.

Bosh was a similar player but not as good.

Bosh last year in Toronto

Bosh 25 pt
Love 26.1
Bosh 10.8
Love 12.8 reb
If the Cavs do not get killed on the boards. It will because Varejo was there playing center. He is about equal to the offensive player Nosh was coming in. Love will be a third option. His overall numbers will drop.

I think less of Kyrie and Love. Bosh and Wade were better all around ball players. Both actually could help protect the rim.

Bosh and Wade were better then Love and Kyrie are right now.

I see you gave Bosh an extra ppg

A whole pt wow
Did I add 10 pts
Bosh TS was better and Per was 25. They are about even. Bosh is easily the more versatile player. He actually can play elite level defense.

[TheStig]

And the Cavs frontcourt still is less athletic and lacks Miami ability to go small with Love playing the 5. Miami big 3 were more versatile then the Cavs big 3.

Lol why can't they go small? What C is going to torch Love that didn't torch Bosh? Not that they need to go small because they have an actual front court.

It is called defense. Bosh actually gave you some along with Lebron, Battier, and Wade. Love, Kyrie , Ray, Miller are fine offensive players but they will struggle defend.

Again, who are the C's that are going to torch Love but not Bosh? Not only are there so few C's that can actually walk and chew gum but even less that can score the ball.

I will also add, Bosh gets beat up on the offensive boards, something Love wouldn't have an issue with. Getting rebounds is part of defense.

[kingkirk]

Again, who are the C's that are going to torch Love but not Bosh? Not only are there so few C's that can actually walk and chew gum but even less that can score the ball.

I will also add, Bosh gets beat up on the offensive boards, something Love wouldn't have an issue with. Getting rebounds is part of defense.

It's not about individual centers or power forwards matching up to Love and beating him one on one. It's about the pressure that the Cavs will have in going small by having zero rim protection, crappy pick and roll defense and positioning.

Bosh is not an elite defender, but he can swat shots and he plays good defense. It gave the Heat some semblance of post defense.

Love gives them none of that, so if they don't want to leak a bucket of points, they will need to play him with a defensive guy on most occasions, assuming their aim is to get stops.

[Worm Guts]

Bosh was considered a poor defender in Toronto and really doesn't block very many shots. His defense may have improved when he didn't have to focus so much on offense, but Love's may too.

[TheStig]

Again, who are the C's that are going to torch Love but not Bosh? Not only are there so few C's that can actually walk and chew gum but even less that can score the ball.

I will also add, Bosh gets beat up on the offensive boards, something Love wouldn't have an issue with. Getting rebounds is part of defense.

It's not about individual centers or power forwards matching up to Love and beating him one on one. It's about the pressure that the Cavs will have in going small by having zero rim protection, crappy pick and roll defense and positioning.

Bosh is not an elite defender, but he can swat shots and he plays good defense. It gave the Heat some semblance of post defense.

Love gives them none of that, so if they don't want to leak a bucket of points, they will need to play him with a defensive guy on most occasions, assuming their aim is to get stops.

But the Cavs aren't going to play small like Miami did. Miami did it out of necessity. The Cavs will have real bigs. So if they do go small it will be in brief periods. And they will have Varejo behind him to help on D.

Bosh is a better defender. I agree he moves his feet better than Love and is longer. But he isn't a good defender. Miami was a good defense team because their primary wings were amazing at trapping. Ask Derrick.

The Cavs will be able to put Varejo on any type of good post option like we did with Noah and they will control the boards. Which is being underrated here.

[TheStig]

Bosh last year in Toronto

Bosh 25 pt
Love 26.1
Bosh 10.8
Love 12.8 reb
If the Cavs do not get killed on the boards. It will because Varejo was there playing center. He is about equal to the offensive player Nosh was coming in. Love will be a third option. His overall numbers will drop.

I think less of Kyrie and Love. Bosh and Wade were better all around ball players. Both actually could help protect the rim.

Bosh and Wade were better then Love and Kyrie are right now.

I see you gave Bosh an extra ppg

A whole pt wow
Did I add 10 pts
Bosh TS was better and Per was 25. They are about even. Bosh is easily the more versatile player. He actually can play elite level defense.

Lol elite level defender. Seriously? Are we watching the same sport?

And its not just a point.
Love scored 2.1 ppg more, 1.7 rpg more, 2.0 apg more, played 7 more games, made 182 more 3's, 1.9 higher per and shot .1% lower ts.