The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[SunsFanSSOL]

I think the Suns have a real interest in Monroe based off what Hornacek said. He did an interview with EJ and Tom Chambers at the beginning of the off-season and said that we're looking to sign a post presence this off-season who can be your go to guy down low like Dirk or Zach Randolph. I'd say that Monroe is very similar to Randolph and he has a very refined post game.

[Zelaznyrules]

The thing with Morris Twins, they don't strike me as I know I could go more money somewhere else so I am going to explore type of players. They don't want to go anywhere else. Also, see them the type of players as they will take less if it means having a better team and keeping them together.

G.Green is the one I am worried bout leaving. I think his play is very important off the bench. Can the Suns extend them 3 now or do they have to wait? Anybody know?

I think the Suns will let Gerald walk after some team offers him something like 4/24. I love the guy but it doesn't make sense to keep him when he have Marcus and TJ at SF and PJ and Archie at SG. I think Isaiah was sorta signed to replace his bench production in the future.

As much as I love Green, I have to agree. He is 29 or 30 and if we give him a 4 year contract, he won't be worth it the last couple years IMO. I think his athleticism won't be there like it is now and besides shooting that's all he has, plus I want Archie to get playing time at shooting guard and TJ time at small forward since I believe they are big pieces to our future.

I don't know if it's a good idea to keep him or not but I'd disagree with this point. He's only 28 years old and his total NBA and NBDL minutes are just under 8,000 (plus a little bit of international time). Greg Monroe, for example, already has 9,700 minutes logged. Age is an issue but wear and tear is the real hurdle and Green should have several more years before he starts losing his athleticism.

[Sunsdeuce]

I think the Suns have a real interest in Monroe based off what Hornacek said. He did an interview with EJ and Tom Chambers at the beginning of the off-season and said that we're looking to sign a post presence this off-season who can be your go to guy down low like Dirk or Zach Randolph. I'd say that Monroe is very similar to Randolph and he has a very refined post game.

I second that.


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[Zelaznyrules]

I think the Suns have a real interest in Monroe based off what Hornacek said. He did an interview with EJ and Tom Chambers at the beginning of the off-season and said that we're looking to sign a post presence this off-season who can be your go to guy down low like Dirk or Zach Randolph. I'd say that Monroe is very similar to Randolph and he has a very refined post game.

No, he is not at all similar to Randolph and there aren't too many big men in the league with a less refined low post game. He is a very ineffective scorer from almost anywhere on the court and even at his best spot, he's nothing special. Markieff is a far more effective low post scorer than Monroe and we need someone better than Markieff. We need someone that we can dump the ball into and count on him scoring more than half the time. It would be nice if he wasn't a horrible free throw shooter too. In a close game it would be hard to keep Greg on the court.

Monroe is a very average player looking for a very large contract. And along with that comes the cost of getting Detroit to set him free. If we could sign him for 10 million a year and part with no more than Ennis and the Minnesota pick, I'd go after him. It would be an overpay for a year or two but by the end of the contract, assuming he improved a little each year, rising salaries would make his deal palatable. But Detroit is going to want more than Ennis and two seconds and Falk is going to insist on more than a 4 year/40 million dollar deal.

[bwgood77]

I don't understand why the Suns are the only team on NBA Store.com that doesn't sell authentic jerseys.

Speaking of which:

The NBA store has discontinued Andrew Wiggins' Cavs jersey.

Would have been nice to snag one of those for a collectors item.

[Kerrsed]

I don't understand why the Suns are the only team on NBA Store.com that doesn't sell authentic jerseys.

Speaking of which:

The NBA store has discontinued Andrew Wiggins' Cavs jersey.

Intentional or not, the Cavs signing him gets a bit of merch sales until he's dealt.

If he does get dealt, those authentic Wiggins Cav's jerseys are going to skyrocket in value and be a collectors item.

[bwgood77]

Speaking of which:

Intentional or not, the Cavs signing him gets a bit of merch sales until he's dealt.

If he does get dealt, those authentic Wiggins Cav's jerseys are going to skyrocket in value and be a collectors item.

Yeah, they will be super rare.

[AtheJ415]

No way Markieff gets that little. The market for bigs has guys who have proven way less getting 8-9 mill a year. I could see him taking a discount to play with his brother, but he's probably getting b/w 8-9 a year imo.

All I was meaning by it is that Morris twins are the true definition of a professional player(s). A lot of players are in it for the money and cash out. If 75% of the league was like that than the league would be even more amazing.

It's no surprise why the Suns were successful last season, because they have players that will put the effort in the gym. Plumlee, Tucker, Morris Twins, Dragic always in the gym. I love it. Bledsoe take some notes.

Speaking of the Morris twins, what amount of money is it going to take to keep both or just markeiff? They are free agents next year.


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I think Markieff is good for 5-7 mil a year. Marcus 4 mil a year.

Markieff 24 mil, 4 years.
Marcus 16 mil, 4 years.

I don't think the Suns will let them go in free agency and don't think they want to play anywhere else. May think it's a lot for Marcus but we'll get Markieff for cheap if we keep his brother.

Can't talk enough about their chemistry with the team. Seems like them and Tucker keep the team together.

[SideSwipe]

No way Markieff gets that little. The market for bigs has guys who have proven way less getting 8-9 mill a year. I could see him taking a discount to play with his brother, but he's probably getting b/w 8-9 a year imo.

Speaking of the Morris twins, what amount of money is it going to take to keep both or just markeiff? They are free agents next year.


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I think Markieff is good for 5-7 mil a year. Marcus 4 mil a year.

Markieff 24 mil, 4 years.
Marcus 16 mil, 4 years.

I don't think the Suns will let them go in free agency and don't think they want to play anywhere else. May think it's a lot for Marcus but we'll get Markieff for cheap if we keep his brother.

Can't talk enough about their chemistry with the team. Seems like them and Tucker keep the team together.

Agreed on the $$ for Markieff. If he continues look at the deals given to Taj Gibson and David West for comparison, then add salary market increases. I think you are looking at $8 per at the low end, and $12 per at the high end depending on how Markieff responds this year. He could conceivably go 16 and 8 or even 18 and 9 with starters minutes. I think Marcus will get $4-$5 mil/ year. His production likely won't increase and may go down with Warren coming on.

[DRK]

And soccer is a pansy sport! 90 minutes of running in circles for a score of 1-0. Boring!!!!!!!


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YOUR MUM IS A PANSY SPORT

What's a mum?


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Something Americans don't have.

[gaspar]

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[SSOL]

Intentional or not, the Cavs signing him gets a bit of merch sales until he's dealt.

If he does get dealt, those authentic Wiggins Cav's jerseys are going to skyrocket in value and be a collectors item.

Yeah, they will be super rare. I live near an outlet with a bunch of authentic jerseys they sell on the cheap (or at least they used to) and the summer Ray Allen was traded to the Celtics I bought all of their remaining Ray Allen Sonics jerseys, and then of course not only was he gone, but the team was gone shortly thereafter. Obviously the jerseys won't be super rare, but it's pretty cool having some Sonics jerseys. He was a stud in Seattle but it is also cool to get jerseys of guys who make it big later on another team.

Not that I actually buy a ton of jerseys, but I did in 2006 when this Reebok outlet was clearing them out at dirt cheap prices. I have a ton of LeBron Cavs jerseys. Was hoping he changed his # NOT to 23 because I have a ton of 23 jerseys. It was the last year Reebok made the official ones though.

Edit: I was just thinking...how many stars have been traded after being drafted (not with the intention of a draft and trade) before or during their rookie year? I was trying to think about it, and I thought of KJ. I wonder how many KJ Cavs jerseys there are out there. It's funny, I was looking for KJ highlight videos on youtube today and came across footage of when the Cavs drafted him....the announcers were kind of shocked...

The draft board watching that video was a bit depressing. It looked something like...

1. David Robinson - Spurs
2. Armon Gilliam - Suns
3. Can't remember
4. Can't remember
5. Scottie Pippen - Seattle (I think...so maybe this is another example of rare jerseys)
6. Can't remember
7. Kevin Johnson - Cavs

You can make them on nba.com...

[JTrain]

I think the Suns will let Gerald walk

[Sunsdeuce]

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A picture is worth a thousand words.
Rich Paul has got Bledsoe wrapped around his little finger. It's sad.


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[drewsprocket]

You're only as good as your last season in terms of guys in a contract year. Green has a lot of pressure to make sure he beats out Warren for minutes at the back up 3 slot. Thomas leaves virtually no minutes for backup backcourt help, so Green is primarily gonna have to call dibs as a SF. In his favor primarily is needed three point shoot so he'll be expected to continue to help spread the floor. It'll be interesting for sure. I just hope the lack of playing time wont ruin chemistry.

This is all of course pending Bled re-signing.

[AtheJ415]

I think Green is gone unless he can slide to the 3. There are enough minutes to play 3 guys starting minutes in the back court (but not 4), and I just don't think Green, while he's a good player, is on the level of Dragic, Bledsoe, and Thomas. With his contract and ability, I think a trade of him for a PF worth similar value is ideal for a lot of teams. I think Green plus something could net us Anderson and that would make too much sense for both teams imo.

We'll see though. If Green can play the 3, then he can be the dynamic scorer we've been looking for at that spot.

[Sunsss]

Spoiler:

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That photo led me to this:
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Bledsoe with Earl Boykins. That logo in the background though.

[NaturalBuns]

Green/plum/1st please for Monroe.

SVG loves to surround shooters around his primary big (Drummond)
Jennings,Meeks,green fire away!

Suns get a real post threat something that should put them over the top.
Has room for growth.. Mid range game etc

[Zelaznyrules]

Green/plum/1st please for Monroe.

SVG loves to surround shooters around his primary big (Drummond)
Jennings,Meeks,green fire away!

Suns get a real post threat something that should put them over the top.
Has room for growth.. Mid range game etc

I might do that deal if the dollars aren't absurd and if the 1st is well protected (and not the Lakers pick) but he's not going to put us over the top. Nowhere close, IMO.

This is not hyperbole - I don't believe there is a minutes eater in the NBA with a worse mid-range game than Monroe. And he's not a very good low post threat. He's less effective there than Markieff and unlike Markieff, he has no range past 5 feet. But if you give him the ball at the top of the key, he can drive on most big men. And if the defender lets him set up inside the key on the left block, he'll score about 60% of the time. But he is a poor free throw shooter, you can't use him much in the pick and roll because he's not a threat to pick and pop and he is a very weak defender.

[sunskerr]

No, he is not at all similar to Randolph and there aren't too many big men in the league with a less refined low post game. He is a very ineffective scorer from almost anywhere on the court and even at his best spot, he's nothing special.

Show us the stats, please.