The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[lilfishi22]

Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.

Agreed. Had he taken the QO, it would have been close to impossible to trade him because of the "no-trade clause." With this, we would have 1-2 years to evaluate him further and we can move him for assets if we felt he wasn't a good long term fit.

It's not as good as him agreeing to the 48/4 deal we have on the table but it's much more preferable to the QO.

No, we can not trade him. He would play for us one year earning $8M-$9M and he will go out of here.

Larry Coon: "If a team matches an offer sheet and retains their free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to an offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction."

Good pick up but I'm still not worried. In the end, I think we are not comfortable with giving Bledsoe the deal he wants because of his short resume. If he shows he's a 20/5/5 (or better) player again and stays healthy, I think we would be much more comfortable to give him the deal he wants.

[JTrain]

"Hearing Eric Bledsoe and #Suns getting closer. Suns a bit afraid another team will offer him a 2-year deal, plus year 2 player option..."

Essentially, that forces Suns into taking Eric Bledsoe at the qualifying but gives him some comfort of an extra ~5M guaranteed."


"I am also hearing that Suns are sticking with the 4/48 offer to Eric Bledsoe for now, but that it could go up slightly."

Would the player option year be guaranteed or not?

[Saberestar]

offer sheet must be at least two years, not including any option year. So that would not be possible.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateDuncanNB ... 9825331200

I hope this is true, we would have more leverage. That guaranteed second year would be very important.

[Zelaznyrules]

Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.

We have A LOT to be worried. He can sign a $20M/2 years contract with a second year like a player option.It would be like to play for the QO but earning a lot more money.
We can match, but he would be an UFA the next season for sure.

We have to be serious...we all are very happy with that 48/4 years offer because it is very good for the team. He is way better than Lawson, Holiday, Lowry, etc... so I think that it is a fair option something around $56/4 years, the cap will be higher in the next few years.At the end of the day $2 a year is not a big deal, and we know that we are not a FA destination, so it is very dificult to sign someone of Bledsoe's talent without overpaying a little.
All of us were thinking that we would have to match a $63/4 years offer, so $7 less is a good deal too.
We have to avoid another Joe Jhonson' situation.

You are crazy. Lawson, Holiday, Lowry play more games and healthier and put up better numbers for a longer period!

I think 4 years 48 mill is even overpaid but I am fine with that. 56 million for a dude who started half a year and has been injured 1/2 his NBA career. Is not worth 56 million.

I think if Eric stays healthy and we continue to pair him with a good combo guard such as Dragic he'll earn even that 80 million than Paul is supposedly demanding. If his injury problem resurfaces he might not be worth a quarter of that deal. Has he earned that contract? Not even close. He hasn't even earned the 48 million dollar offer we made him. But you don't pay someone for what they've done. You use the past to try and project his value in the future. Dangerous game to play but that's the NBA.

However you slice it though, I think his agent is being shortsighted here. Bledsoe will be a disappointment if he's put in a traditional offense next to a run of the mill catch and shoot two. He just isn't a good enough point guard to run a typical offense, at least not at the star level he wants to be paid at. He shines in Phoenix and has a chance to play at a superstar level because our game and our roster is tailored for him. He's not bad in a two man game but he's not great at running an offense and he's better creating for himself than anyone else. And having Dragic on the other side makes it easier for him to create his own shot and it make his two man game more effective too because defenders can't ignore the weak side.

[JTrain]

Nate Duncan is tweeting that what Schultz reported is impossible:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/496068269825331200[/tweet]

Klutch can't even leak realistic info.

[WeekapaugGroove]

offer sheet must be at least two years, not including any option year. So that would not be possible.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateDuncanNB ... 9825331200

I hope this is true, we would have more leverage. That guaranteed second year would be very important.

this is true.

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[SunsFanSSOL]

Nate Duncan is tweeting that what Schultz reported is impossible:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/496068269825331200[/tweet]

Klutch can't even leak realistic info.

I think it's more Schultz being unreliable and talking out of his ass.

[JTrain]

4 years
$49 million
$500K for playing in 70+ games any year
$750K for making the playoffs any year
Maximum of $54 million possible

AND

A Hallmark card



Can we wrap this up now?

[lilfishi22]

Nate Duncan is tweeting that what Schultz reported is impossible:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/496068269825331200[/tweet]

Klutch can't even leak realistic info.

I think it's more Schultz being unreliable and talking out of his ass.

I think it's likely a crap Klutch leak but Schultz should've fact checked.

[JTrain]

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I think it's more Schultz being unreliable and talking out of his ass.

But then where is Schultz "hearing" it from?

[JTrain]

There are three categories of allowable incentives: performance, academic/physical achievement, and extra promotional. The latter two categories are always included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season.

Unlikely bonuses in any season are limited to 15% of the player's regular salary in that season. In the first season of a contract the base salary, likely bonuses and unlikely bonuses must all fit within the salary cap or exception. The league determines a team's available room under the cap or an exception by adding in the unlikely bonuses for all players who signed that season.

So are unlikely incentives included in the cap space only the first year but not subsequent years?

[SunsFanSSOL]

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I think it's more Schultz being unreliable and talking out of his ass.

But then where is Schultz "hearing" it from?

Probably just made it up. He's the same guy who said the Suns wanted Randle in a SnT with the Lakers, pretty much all speculation on his part after reading Bloom's original tweet.

[lilfishi22]

There are three categories of allowable incentives: performance, academic/physical achievement, and extra promotional. The latter two categories are always included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or unlikely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season.

Unlikely bonuses in any season are limited to 15% of the player's regular salary in that season. In the first season of a contract the base salary, likely bonuses and unlikely bonuses must all fit within the salary cap or exception. The league determines a team's available room under the cap or an exception by adding in the unlikely bonuses for all players who signed that season.

So are unlikely incentives included in the cap space only the first year but not subsequent years?

That's much understanding. The first year, everything counts. From then on, the NBA decides whether it's likely or unlikely and if they are, then it'll be counted towards the cap.

[JTrain]

Pekovic waited until August 14. Any big RFAs in recent years go longer?

[lilfishi22]

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I think it's more Schultz being unreliable and talking out of his ass.

But then where is Schultz "hearing" it from?

Probably just made it up. He's the same guy who said the Suns wanted Randle in a SnT with the Lakers, pretty much all speculation on his part after reading Bloom's original tweet.

Leaks logically originate from player camp or the team. I'm betting the LA leaks came from Bledsoe's camp (ie Paul) to initiate interest in the deal.

[BurningHeart]

Not surprising that someone who works for Huffington Post has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

[navysully]

Not surprising that someone who works for Huffington Post has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

This. And not just about sports.

[JDLAW]

Not surprising that someone who works for Huffington Post has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

But… But… he's an "insider"

[WeekapaugGroove]

It kind of goes to show the shoddy quality control in the "press" these days. So many tweet or even write articles with CBA or other blatant inaccuracies that a simple Google search would prevent. Lazy sloppy and a little sad really.

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[lilfishi22]

It kind of goes to show the shoddy quality control in the "press" these days. So many tweet or even write articles with CBA or other blatant inaccuracies that a simple Google search would prevent. Lazy sloppy and a little sad really.

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There used to be a standard in which you must meet before you can publish news. Now it's publish first, fact check later.