Possible trades for Perk at the deadline

Grolgar · Post #1 » by **Grolgar** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 4:24 am

Going through the league trying to envision a trade at the deadline involving Perk's expiring and there's not a lot of options, but what about Perk, a future 1st, and 2nd rounder for Gerald Green if no one pans out at shooting guard AND the Suns don't look like they'll make the playoffs or re-sign Green. Would we have to include more?

Trade: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o6rtc9v

What are some other possibilities?

Also, what assets would the Thunder use that actually have value (sorry Roberson, Huestis)? I think Lamb, PJIII, Abrines, Pleiss, and future picks are all the assets that I can think of.

Grolgar · Post #2 » by **Grolgar** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 4:27 am

Or, if the Pacers decide to blow it up... what about Perk, Lamb, Thabeet (assuming we re-sign him), and a 1st for Hibbert: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=klpg5jw

This trade puts us $1.6 million over the tax line. Is it worth it? Hollinger's model says we'd lose a win... can someone explain that? Doesn't seem right. Thoughts?

Post #3 » by **bondom34** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 4:52 am

Honestly, I don't know what's out there, but I wouldn't be willing to give any more than Perk, Lamb, and a pick in a deal (or maybe Roberson). I feel pretty comfortable with the bigs, considering Perk's only gonna get maybe 20 minutes max a night, and it isn't worth giving a ton to move him as an expiring. I'd be interested in a guy like Pekovic, but wouldn't do more than Perk/Lamb/a pick, which likely isn't enough.

As for the trade machine, it uses PER to "estimate" wins, so that's garbage for an estimate really :lol:

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Balkman32 · Post #4 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 2:38 pm

Steve Nash would be interesting. Perk and Nash match up w/ the numbers.

I don't think they trade Lamb or PJ3, unless they are bringing in a guy on a longer deal.

Balkman32 · Post #5 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 2:39 pm

Grolgar wrote:Or, if the Pacers decide to blow it up... what about Perk, Lamb, Thabeet (assuming we re-sign him), and a 1st for Hibbert: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=klpg5jw

This trade puts us $1.6 million over the tax line. Is it worth it? Hollinger's model says we'd lose a win... can someone explain that? Doesn't seem right. Thoughts?

Hibbert had an awful year. I don't think the Thunder will bring in someone to Stunt Adams growth.

Kizz Fastfists · Post #6 » by **Kizz Fastfists** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 3:43 pm

There are a lot of factors that come into play. However, just looking at contracts and potential situations.

Atlanta, if they have a worse then expected year and look out of the playoff race, could trade Kyle Korver to clear some long-term salary.

Denver has a few wings that they could be willing to let go if things are going poorly. Afflalo or Gallinari being interesting options.

Milwaukee could be looking to move O.J. Mayo to get him off the 2015-2016 books if he rebounds this season.

Minnesota might be looking to go into more of a rebuild mode and Kevin Martin for Perkins would be interesting.

The other thing is the salaries might not need to match up. Philly and Phoenix look like they are both going to have a TON of cap room so they help facilitate trades where the salaries wouldn't otherwise work for a draft pick. So you might be able to get a team that doesn't want Perkins, but wants Lamb and PJ3 to give you someone with a contract you aren't thinking about with Philly taking Perkins and a 1st. Maybe Utah drafting Exum puts Burke on the market and Presti does something like Perkins and a 1st to Philly, Lamb and PJ3 to Utahs, Burke and Burks to OKC. Reggie gets shifted to the starting SG with Trey Burke as the backup PG. Alex Burks becomes a shooter off the bench.

I think Lamb is going to have a big year. Similar to Harden in year three. So I'm not expecting any major trades or anything to happen. It think the addition of Morrow alone would boost the offense back to 2012-2013 levels where K-Mart was the shooter and scorer off the bench. If Lamb takes the step forward I'm expecting him to then the team will be in great shape and they will not be looking to make a move during the season.

bbms · Post #7 » by **bbms** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 3:56 pm

I'd love the Pekovic here. The guy has a very team-friendly contract.

Post #8 » by **bondom34** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 3:59 pm

Kizz Fastfists wrote:

Minnesota might be looking to go into more of a rebuild mode and Kevin Martin for Perkins would be interesting.

Perk would need some sort of trade sweetener attached for sure.

Thought about this last night, but the comedy of trading Harden for Martin/Lamb/picks, letting Martin walk, and trading Perk and Lamb for Martin would be wonderful. I'd only be mildly interested, as I think the contract Martin is on isn't really great. Korver would be a steal, doubt Atlanta offers him, but you never know. Mayo would be interesting, but I'd be shocked if he had a bounce back year tbh. If anything, I'd expect they stand pat as well.

HeartSouloma · Post #9 » by **HeartSouloma** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 5:11 pm

If OKC can pull of a trade to move Perk, to get a decent big man and a two guard. 2015 Champs here we come. I think that is Presti plan. To wait to make the right move for the team. But who knows

BrianDavis · Post #10 » by **BrianDavis** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 6:29 pm

I hope we don't trade him. In fact, I hope we sign him for at least 3 more years after his contract is up this season.

Durant LOVES Perkins as a human and a teammate. I think during Durant's MVP speech the first time he broke down and started crying was when he got to Perk. We never have to play the guy meaningful minutes, but I want him on the team. The more of KD's friends we trade away the easier it will be for KD to leave.

Balkman32 · Post #11 » by **Balkman32** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 6:33 pm

bbms wrote:I'd love the Pekovic here. The guy has a very team-friendly contract.

It will cost you Adams? Still in Love?

Post #12 » by **bondom34** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 6:45 pm

BrianDavis wrote:I hope we don't trade him. In fact, I hope we sign him for at least 3 more years after his contract is up this season.

Durant LOVES Perkins as a human and a teammate. I think during Durant's MVP speech the first time he broke down and started crying was when he got to Perk. We never have to play the guy meaningful minutes, but I want him on the team. The more of KD's friends we trade away the easier it will be for KD to leave.

This is actually a good point, and though I don't think that he leaves, I could see it helping. I think Perk would resign at a pretty good discount as a bench guy after this season too.

Post #13 » by **bondom34** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 6:49 pm

bbms wrote:I'd love the Pekovic here. The guy has a very team-friendly contract.

That's not a team friendly contract. Dude is 28 and injury prone, he's due 12 million a year for 4 more seasons, and has yet to play more than 65 games in a season (and that was once, when he was a rookie and playing severely reduced minutes).

jackson77 · Post #14 » by **jackson77** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:07 pm

I hope that OKC re-sign Perkins (at least 5 million per season),
and use him as Durants pet

but if Durant leaves OKC,
has the right to take his pet with him

jackson77 · Post #15 » by **jackson77** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:11 pm

For god's sake, I hope that this is Perkins last season in OKC

HeartSouloma · Post #16 » by **HeartSouloma** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 8:48 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
bbms wrote:I'd love the Pekovic here. The guy has a very team-friendly contract.

It will cost you Adams? Still in Love?

I'd trade Perkins + 1 round pick + PJ3 or Lamb for Pek. That's it.

Grolgar · Post #17 » by **Grolgar** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 10:30 pm

Balkman32 wrote:
Grolgar wrote:Or, if the Pacers decide to blow it up... what about Perk, Lamb, Thabeet (assuming we re-sign him), and a 1st for Hibbert: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=klpg5jw

This trade puts us $1.6 million over the tax line. Is it worth it? Hollinger's model says we'd lose a win... can someone explain that? Doesn't seem right. Thoughts?

Hibbert had an awful year. I don't think the Thunder will bring in someone to Stunt Adams growth.

Are you putting too much weight in the playoffs or expectations? While Hibbert has his problems, he was probably the defensive player of the year half way through the season. He certainly fell off somewhat as the season went on and from previous years, but "awful year?" He was still a positive impact player per win shares and other measures. Most stats would indicate he'd be a decent upgrade from Perk, Adams.

Grolgar · Post #18 » by **Grolgar** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 10:34 pm

BrianDavis wrote:I hope we don't trade him. In fact, I hope we sign him for at least 3 more years after his contract is up this season.

Durant LOVES Perkins as a human and a teammate. I think during Durant's MVP speech the first time he broke down and started crying was when he got to Perk. We never have to play the guy meaningful minutes, but I want him on the team. The more of KD's friends we trade away the easier it will be for KD to leave.

KD loved Jeff Green and Harden. He'll be okay. You don't keep players because they have friends on the team. That's the type of stuff the worst run teams in the league (e.g., Knicks signing J.R. Smith's brother, pre-Heat Cavs making dumb moves because LeBron wants them). Make your team better, win a title, and KD will be more likely to stay. If you think Perk is a useful basketball player and we can get him cheap then great, but with Adams, Pleiss, Ibaka, and McGary I'm not sure he'd be needed. And I'm terrified of what Perk would look like if he wasn't getting regular minutes.

Anyway, my point is that KD is a big guy. He can handle it if his friend can't stay over.

Post #19 » by **bondom34** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 10:37 pm

Grolgar wrote:
Balkman32 wrote:
Grolgar wrote:Or, if the Pacers decide to blow it up... what about Perk, Lamb, Thabeet (assuming we re-sign him), and a 1st for Hibbert: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=klpg5jw

This trade puts us $1.6 million over the tax line. Is it worth it? Hollinger's model says we'd lose a win... can someone explain that? Doesn't seem right. Thoughts?

Hibbert had an awful year. I don't think the Thunder will bring in someone to Stunt Adams growth.

Are you putting too much weight in the playoffs or expectations? While Hibbert has his problems, he was probably the defensive player of the year half way through the season. He certainly fell off somewhat as the season went on and from previous years, but "awful year?" He was still a positive impact player per win shares and other measures. Most stats would indicate he'd be a decent upgrade from Perk Adams. What are

Yeah, I'd gladly take Hibbert. TBH, I'd be all for Sanders as well, if the kid gets his head on straight he's Hibbert-lite for a couple mil less. But w/ PG going down (I still can't unsee that mental image) Hibbert could potentially get moved. It would take a lot, but could be worth it.

spearsy23 · Post #20 » by **spearsy23** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 11:43 pm

I'm not interested in Hibbert. he's got the Dwight complex and stops playing hard if he isn't getting touches. He has no problems complaining to the media and I'd rather have a consistent Steven Adams than pay Hibbert 16 million for alternating top three and bottom three center play. I don't like having to take chances on a guy that's already in his late twenties and making a max contract, that guy should be a proven player.

Hibbert can be great and I think he is a good guy but I wouldn't want to rely on him.