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Final trade thoughts

Great deal
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Good deal
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Good deal, but I wanted more
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So so deal
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Bad deal
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This team is trying to destroy all meaning and make a mockery of the very fabric of the universe
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Post#281 » by Cokeleaf » Mon Aug 4, 2014 9:17 am

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MCtripDub wrote:I cringe. This guy should be fired, terrible interview. So. freakn. awkward.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy8IpEJ2w9I#t=15[/youtube]


Fired? He will be rewarded.

Everyone is talking about this and embedding the YouTube video. Wiggins looked ridiculously awkward. ESPN created news. What more could they ask for?


Hmm.. I guess there really isn't such a thing as bad press huh?

I feel like the video woulda been talked about regardless though, especially since it's an interview with one of the most-hyped rookies in a while.



Firstly, the interviewer is a douche with no feelings for Wiggins at all as a person. Relentlessly attacking Wiggins with questions that can only hurt Wiggins if he answers them poorly.
Secondly, Wiggins does a great job of staying friendly and not letting the interviewer get to him.
Thirdly, Wiggins snobs him at the end of the clip lol

I like Wiggins more after this video
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Post#282 » by Moses_Doc_83 » Mon Aug 4, 2014 12:53 pm

underpressure wrote:It is pretty telling that Wiggins hasn't talked to Bron yet. And I am sure Bron didn't leave out Wiggins in his letter by mistake. So based on the circumstantial evidence that we have it is quite clear that Bron is very instrumental in getting Love to Cleveland. It also ridicules his bogus assertion that Cleveland wouldn't be competitive from the start and that in reality it was all about coming back home.


Their defense will be Swiss cheese with Kyrie and Love on the floor. Varejao is guaranteed to get hurt as a starter, he has every year; and Waiters is guaranteed to whine he doesn't get enough shots. So they have to turn Waiters plus their picks and assorted scrubs into a 3&D wing to go with Miller (and eventually Allen) plus a rim protector. They might be good enough with LeBron to win the East, especially since George is out for the year, but have no shot of beating any of the top 6 teams in the West.
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Post#283 » by bedjaw » Mon Aug 4, 2014 2:31 pm

Moses_Doc_83 wrote:
underpressure wrote:It is pretty telling that Wiggins hasn't talked to Bron yet. And I am sure Bron didn't leave out Wiggins in his letter by mistake. So based on the circumstantial evidence that we have it is quite clear that Bron is very instrumental in getting Love to Cleveland. It also ridicules his bogus assertion that Cleveland wouldn't be competitive from the start and that in reality it was all about coming back home.


Their defense will be Swiss cheese with Kyrie and Love on the floor. Varejao is guaranteed to get hurt as a starter, he has every year; and Waiters is guaranteed to whine he doesn't get enough shots. So they have to turn Waiters plus their picks and assorted scrubs into a 3&D wing to go with Miller (and eventually Allen) plus a rim protector. They might be good enough with LeBron to win the East, especially since George is out for the year, but have no shot of beating any of the top 6 teams in the West.


Lebron changes everything...he's the one guy who does. So anything the Cavs did or did not do before is almost irrelevant. Kyrie will learn to share the ball, be more effecient and play D. Same with Love. Bennett will not show up fat. And who is Waiters going to wine to...certainly not LBJ. He'll be the hardest working guy in that team and everyone will follow suit. If not they'll be gone and now branded as the guy who couldn't play with the best player in the world.
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Post#284 » by 76ciology » Mon Aug 4, 2014 3:21 pm

But remember during the offseason when I praise Jabari's decision making and how he carries himself on and off the court?

I think Jabari's decision to tank his workout for the Cavs worked out pretty well for him. He's in a much better situation than Wiggins. Being the main guy on his team that can hide his deficiencies on defense, playing close to home and playing in a place better than Minnesota. Well, there's not much Wiggins can do anyway. When Jabari tanked his workout, Wiggins faith was sealed. He was going to be used as an asset for Love.
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Post#285 » by 76ciology » Mon Aug 4, 2014 3:38 pm

Regarding the Love-Wiggins trade

The trade is really a gamble. It's one of those decision where you weigh in the pros and cons and make the intelligent guess.

Wiggins and Benett would most likely be the most valuable asset for the Cavs, as long as LBJ is there. I don't think Tristan, Waiters or any other guys on the roster is special enough to be that much valuable. FWIW, Wiggins and Benett probably has the same or better value than the overrated and overpaid Kyrie. So I can understand from the Cavs standpoint of trading Wiggins and Benett for this might be the only time both guys' value may be this high. Waiting long enough might expose their flaws. And if both guys pan out well, how big is the difference of their current value compared to in the future? I think right now, both guys are overrated because their value is governed by potential.

And a disgruntled superstar (top 3 PER) who wants out where you have the assets to do a trade is a very good opportunity. You have to ask yourself.. If you held unto Wiggins and Benett, will I have the opportunity in the future to trade for a superstar? There are definitely several factors like both guys' development and the availability of a superstar. You also have to consider that most teams wouldn't trade their franchise player/superstar.

So yeah, I do understand the trade for the Cavs. I also got this feeling when LBJ said, he learned how to win championships in Miami. I think he was referring to the importance of having a big three. Honestly, I don't see Wiggins or Benett being part of a big three of a championship contender. And I think Blatt and the Cavs FO knows that too and they had a lot of time investigating and doing their homework during the D league and probably in their practice sessions.

I think it's a championship or bust move for the Cavs. What if the Love trade didn't pay-off? What if Love decides to sign with the Celtics next season? I think it completely blows off LBJ's chance to win a championship with the Cavs. But then how hard is it to replace Wiggins' and Benett's production for the next three seasons? Both guys seems raw and I wouldn't expect superstar numbers from them.

So in the end, if you weigh the risk vs reward. I think it's a good deal for the Cavs. It's a very bold and at the same time, logical move from their end.
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Post#286 » by Mr Sixer » Mon Aug 4, 2014 3:48 pm

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Moses_Doc_83 wrote:
underpressure wrote:It is pretty telling that Wiggins hasn't talked to Bron yet. And I am sure Bron didn't leave out Wiggins in his letter by mistake. So based on the circumstantial evidence that we have it is quite clear that Bron is very instrumental in getting Love to Cleveland. It also ridicules his bogus assertion that Cleveland wouldn't be competitive from the start and that in reality it was all about coming back home.


Their defense will be Swiss cheese with Kyrie and Love on the floor. Varejao is guaranteed to get hurt as a starter, he has every year; and Waiters is guaranteed to whine he doesn't get enough shots. So they have to turn Waiters plus their picks and assorted scrubs into a 3&D wing to go with Miller (and eventually Allen) plus a rim protector. They might be good enough with LeBron to win the East, especially since George is out for the year, but have no shot of beating any of the top 6 teams in the West.


Lebron changes everything...he's the one guy who does. So anything the Cavs did or did not do before is almost irrelevant. Kyrie will learn to share the ball, be more effecient and play D. Same with Love. Bennett will not show up fat. And who is Waiters going to wine to...certainly not LBJ. He'll be the hardest working guy in that team and everyone will follow suit. If not they'll be gone and now branded as the guy who couldn't play with the best player in the world.

Just like Lebron really elevated Chalmers's play and helped him get through his rough patches last year.

People act like Hinkie is some kind of evil magician on this board (myself included) but you're taking this to a whole new level with Lebron. Lebron is a great player but you're just not right if you believe what you just wrote.
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Post#287 » by Moses_Doc_83 » Mon Aug 4, 2014 5:08 pm

bedjaw wrote:
Moses_Doc_83 wrote:
underpressure wrote:It is pretty telling that Wiggins hasn't talked to Bron yet. And I am sure Bron didn't leave out Wiggins in his letter by mistake. So based on the circumstantial evidence that we have it is quite clear that Bron is very instrumental in getting Love to Cleveland. It also ridicules his bogus assertion that Cleveland wouldn't be competitive from the start and that in reality it was all about coming back home.


Their defense will be Swiss cheese with Kyrie and Love on the floor. Varejao is guaranteed to get hurt as a starter, he has every year; and Waiters is guaranteed to whine he doesn't get enough shots. So they have to turn Waiters plus their picks and assorted scrubs into a 3&D wing to go with Miller (and eventually Allen) plus a rim protector. They might be good enough with LeBron to win the East, especially since George is out for the year, but have no shot of beating any of the top 6 teams in the West.


Lebron changes everything...he's the one guy who does. So anything the Cavs did or did not do before is almost irrelevant. Kyrie will learn to share the ball, be more effecient and play D. Same with Love. Bennett will not show up fat. And who is Waiters going to wine to...certainly not LBJ. He'll be the hardest working guy in that team and everyone will follow suit. If not they'll be gone and now branded as the guy who couldn't play with the best player in the world.


LMAO ever hear the saying you can take the kid out of the city but you can't take the city out of the kid? Basically roughly translated a tiger doesn't change his stripes. These guys are who they are. Waiters wants his own team, Kyrie and Love are allergic to defense, and Bennett will be a Sixer or T-Wolf by the end of the month. They need a rim protector especially since Varejao is due to get hurt any day now.
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Post#288 » by 51X3RF4N » Mon Aug 4, 2014 5:31 pm

Disagree with the 2 posts above about not being able to change players.

I know that I show up every day in my bball leagues looking to play as hard as I can. However, in one of my leagues we have this PG who is simply incredible at dishing out the rock, and he finds you open even when you don't think you are open. He's a hard worker on defense and really elevates everyone around him.

Then we have this other PG who just jacks up 3pt shots and is a turnover machine. When he is in the game, I find that I lack motivation because I won't get the ball on offense and on defense I'll be playing help D when his man beats him every time down. It's disheartening and makes me want to walk up and down the court.

So people watching me play in one game might think I'm terrible, lazy, and don't care if we win. Whereas, in another game with the good PG, people will think I'm active on the boards, I score a lot down low, and I play tough D and get out on the break and run.

I think my situation is obviously not the same as the NBA. But I would have to think if a player went from being on a team that misses the playoffs, to being a team where the best player in the world is coming to your squad and expecting championships, you more than likely are going to show up with an increased intensity and focus.

I absolutely think LBJ is going to change that squad. And if Love comes in a deal, then Cleveland will be a top 2 team in the East easily. LBJ is going to demand that each player steps up his game.
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Post#289 » by Negrodamus » Mon Aug 4, 2014 6:21 pm

Moses_Doc_83 wrote:
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Their defense will be Swiss cheese with Kyrie and Love on the floor. Varejao is guaranteed to get hurt as a starter, he has every year; and Waiters is guaranteed to whine he doesn't get enough shots. So they have to turn Waiters plus their picks and assorted scrubs into a 3&D wing to go with Miller (and eventually Allen) plus a rim protector. They might be good enough with LeBron to win the East, especially since George is out for the year, but have no shot of beating any of the top 6 teams in the West.


Lebron changes everything...he's the one guy who does. So anything the Cavs did or did not do before is almost irrelevant. Kyrie will learn to share the ball, be more effecient and play D. Same with Love. Bennett will not show up fat. And who is Waiters going to wine to...certainly not LBJ. He'll be the hardest working guy in that team and everyone will follow suit. If not they'll be gone and now branded as the guy who couldn't play with the best player in the world.


LMAO ever hear the saying you can take the kid out of the city but you can't take the city out of the kid? Basically roughly translated a tiger doesn't change his stripes. These guys are who they are. Waiters wants his own team, Kyrie and Love are allergic to defense, and Bennett will be a Sixer or T-Wolf by the end of the month. They need a rim protector especially since Varejao is due to get hurt any day now.


LeBron to the team/GM/Owner if players like Irving and Waiters don't fall in line:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQC-eOj8rBE[/youtube]
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Post#290 » by Moses_Doc_83 » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:08 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:Disagree with the 2 posts above about not being able to change players.

I know that I show up every day in my bball leagues looking to play as hard as I can. However, in one of my leagues we have this PG who is simply incredible at dishing out the rock, and he finds you open even when you don't think you are open. He's a hard worker on defense and really elevates everyone around him.

Then we have this other PG who just jacks up 3pt shots and is a turnover machine. When he is in the game, I find that I lack motivation because I won't get the ball on offense and on defense I'll be playing help D when his man beats him every time down. It's disheartening and makes me want to walk up and down the court.

So people watching me play in one game might think I'm terrible, lazy, and don't care if we win. Whereas, in another game with the good PG, people will think I'm active on the boards, I score a lot down low, and I play tough D and get out on the break and run.

I think my situation is obviously not the same as the NBA. But I would have to think if a player went from being on a team that misses the playoffs, to being a team where the best player in the world is coming to your squad and expecting championships, you more than likely are going to show up with an increased intensity and focus.

I absolutely think LBJ is going to change that squad. And if Love comes in a deal, then Cleveland will be a top 2 team in the East easily. LBJ is going to demand that each player steps up his game.


Cleveland is a top 2 eastern team right now even without Love by default. Even though defense is mainly effort, it does also require skill, and Love and Irving have shown no ability to play defense whatsoever. They can try all they want and still be turnstiles. To fix the problem simply requires someone who can erase most of the lane penetration. As far as Waiters goes, he screams head case megalomaniac to me, so I imagine he'll be screaming to his boys and then the local papers under the guise of "league sources" that he needs to be traded. Could be wrong I suppose, but I highly doubt that a guy who didn't like being second banana is going to like being fourth banana even if he is playing with 2 top 15 guys.
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Post#291 » by 51X3RF4N » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:38 pm

Moses_Doc_83 wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:Disagree with the 2 posts above about not being able to change players.

I know that I show up every day in my bball leagues looking to play as hard as I can. However, in one of my leagues we have this PG who is simply incredible at dishing out the rock, and he finds you open even when you don't think you are open. He's a hard worker on defense and really elevates everyone around him.

Then we have this other PG who just jacks up 3pt shots and is a turnover machine. When he is in the game, I find that I lack motivation because I won't get the ball on offense and on defense I'll be playing help D when his man beats him every time down. It's disheartening and makes me want to walk up and down the court.

So people watching me play in one game might think I'm terrible, lazy, and don't care if we win. Whereas, in another game with the good PG, people will think I'm active on the boards, I score a lot down low, and I play tough D and get out on the break and run.

I think my situation is obviously not the same as the NBA. But I would have to think if a player went from being on a team that misses the playoffs, to being a team where the best player in the world is coming to your squad and expecting championships, you more than likely are going to show up with an increased intensity and focus.

I absolutely think LBJ is going to change that squad. And if Love comes in a deal, then Cleveland will be a top 2 team in the East easily. LBJ is going to demand that each player steps up his game.


Cleveland is a top 2 eastern team right now even without Love by default. Even though defense is mainly effort, it does also require skill, and Love and Irving have shown no ability to play defense whatsoever. They can try all they want and still be turnstiles. To fix the problem simply requires someone who can erase most of the lane penetration. As far as Waiters goes, he screams head case megalomaniac to me, so I imagine he'll be screaming to his boys and then the local papers under the guise of "league sources" that he needs to be traded. Could be wrong I suppose, but I highly doubt that a guy who didn't like being second banana is going to like being fourth banana even if he is playing with 2 top 15 guys.


I think playing with LBJ elevates Love in the sense that he brings an extra level to his game, regardless of his defensive skill. It's a hustle issue at that point. He may still suck at defense, and Irving may too, but it won't matter. They'll both be playing at a higher level because of LBJ, and having all 3 of them playing at a high level means they will likely be in the Finals. Miami also needed a rim protector. They still won 2 CHIPS without one. Love is better than Bosh and Irving is as good as, if not better than Wade. Verajao is better than U. Haslem. If Bennett/Wiggins/Waiters/Thompson are all required to be in the Love deal, then 2014-15 CLE still looks better than 2013-14 Miami IMO.

Waiters may not even be in CLE. But if he is, and he starts screaming for a trade, then guess what? He'll be traded. It's as simple as that. The point I'm making is LBJ will certainly make the guys around him better by default, as he'll take the best opposing defender away, as well as draw lots of attention on offense, AND play tough D on the other team's better players.

I know none of what I'm saying is impactful to the original purpose of this thread, but I truly feel those who would like to point to all the problems CLE is going to have are just making excuses cuz they hate CLE and don't want to see them win. Bottom line is CLE became a huge threat to win multiple CHIPS the minute LBJ signed on the dotted line. If CLE wouldn't have gotten the #1 pick on top of it, I wouldn't hate them so much. But even in doing so, they secured a potential franchise changing Center named Embiid coming to Philly.

In a few years, when MCW-KJM-Wiggins-Noel-Embiid are all playing together (Embiid will get Wiggins to come to Philly), with a deep bench of young talent, and the Sixers are competing for the ECF against a run down CLE team trying to 4-peat, with a LBJ who's on his last leg, and an injury prone Kevin Love, and a selfish Kyrie who is looking to move on to sign with Miami, then I'll be doing cartwheels on my arthritic wrists. The future is BRIGHT.
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Post#292 » by LloydFree » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:41 pm

I thought this silly, juvenile Lebron James hate dried up two years ago.
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Post#293 » by sixers hoops » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:43 pm

LloydFree wrote:I thought this silly, juvenile Lebron James hate dried up two years ago.


I recently saw his likability rating went up about 50 points to about 85% from the day he left Cleveland to the day he returned.
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Post#294 » by sixers hoops » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:52 pm

My opinion of Lebron has fluctuated with the general consensus.

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Post#295 » by 51X3RF4N » Mon Aug 4, 2014 8:05 pm

Honestly I never really hated the kid. I didn't blame him for going to Miami. I would've gone there too, but maybe for different reasons. And I would've probably not done the whole televised thing.

I do remember saying I didn't think it would work out in Miami though, and that they wouldn't win anything significant. I was wrong there for sure.

But I would trade the entire Sixers roster away in a heartbeat if it meant the chance to have LBJ in Philly. Even if he wouldn't be here with a "big 3", I'd love to be able to root for him and have the best player in the world on my favorite team.
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Post#296 » by Negrodamus » Mon Aug 4, 2014 8:12 pm

I've essentially grown up with LeBron's (he is two years my elder) hype and it has been really nice to see his potential be realized. I've always really liked him even though the Miami decision felt a little manufactured.
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Post#297 » by rajajackal » Mon Aug 4, 2014 8:38 pm

any way sixers involve Embiid in the 3-way and come away with Wiggins? would rather see him in Philly than Minnesota
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Post#298 » by MountainDrew » Mon Aug 4, 2014 8:57 pm

rajajackal wrote:any way sixers involve Embiid in the 3-way and come away with Wiggins? would rather see him in Philly than Minnesota


Nope. Embiid is the franchise.
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Post#299 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Aug 4, 2014 9:06 pm

rajajackal wrote:any way sixers involve Embiid in the 3-way and come away with Wiggins? would rather see him in Philly than Minnesota


Hell no. No GM would trade Embiid for Wiggins. Hinkie should be fired on the spot if he did that. We got the best player in the draft.
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rajajackal wrote:any way sixers involve Embiid in the 3-way and come away with Wiggins? would rather see him in Philly than Minnesota


Hell no. No GM would trade Embiid for Wiggins. Hinkie should be fired on the spot if he did that. We got the best player in the draft.

Plenty GM's would, their job doesn't permit patience which is why Embiid fell to us at third. Not every GM has the trust of their owners that Hinkie does, granted, that's for the better because most GM's are awful.
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