Trade Ideas Thread

[GreenMachine]

LeBron James. Kevin Durant. MAYBE Anthony Davis. If you don't have one of those players to offer... you aren't getting Embiid. Period. Zero chance. None. Nada. Not happening.

Jammer - have aliens snatched your brain? First you claim that James Young has more trade value then Marcus Smart (and that they both have more trade value then Kelly or Sully) and now this... what's going on with you? Catch that ebola?

Look GreenMachine, you usually are very sensible, BUT, the kid is 19 and will not play for at least a year.

Have you seen Philadelphia's Depth Chart??? It's all D-Leaguers, the soon to be traded Thaddeus Young, and the returning Nerlens Noel, who sure looks like a C.

I would think if Philadelphia had any intention of putting a team on the floor
with a shred of respectability that something like
Jeff Green + Jared Sullinger + Celtic 2015 First Round Pick would do it.

Agreeing 100% with Greenmachine. It's kinda obvious that Philly is not trying to put a team on the floor. In fact they love their dleaguers for another year.

MCW-2015 1st-Noel-Embiid will be a great core moving forward, but that entitles another year of tanking this year. Think next year they'll spend their.

The philly tank is kinda being over blown. After this year they'll be too good to purposely tank. MCW 3rd year Noel 2nd year & adding 2 top 3 picks will keep them out of the basement. Plus w/ Saric coming over the following year, they'll be rapidly improving after the 14-15 season.

They do need to add a lot of cap though. Prob will add Amare or a big expiring to hit that floor. I'd just offer Bledsoe a really big deal. But Hinkie has a multiyear plan.

But Greenmachine's right. Another blatant tank year for Philly.

Thanks!

Few points-

1. Their tank isn't overblown. It's full on blatant. But it's only for one more year. Then you are correct, they will be too good with all their lotto picks. One more year, one more blue chip prospect + lots of cap to add more quality players and they will be ready to compete. MCW+'15 lotto pick+Saric+Embiid+Noel+LOTS of cap space = a damn good start.
2. They don't need to add $ to get to the salary floor. They can just pay the penelty, which costs them less then adding Amare or whoever. They will leave the space open in case a sweet deal comes along where another team gives them assets for taking back salary.
3. Strong rumor has it they will be the 3rd team in a Love deal. Who knows what that will net them...

[canman1971]

Look GreenMachine, you usually are very sensible, BUT, the kid is 19 and will not play for at least a year.

Have you seen Philadelphia's Depth Chart??? It's all D-Leaguers, the soon to be traded Thaddeus Young, and the returning Nerlens Noel, who sure looks like a C.

I would think if Philadelphia had any intention of putting a team on the floor
with a shred of respectability that something like
Jeff Green + Jared Sullinger + Celtic 2015 First Round Pick would do it.

Agreeing 100% with Greenmachine. It's kinda obvious that Philly is not trying to put a team on the floor. In fact they love their dleaguers for another year.

MCW-2015 1st-Noel-Embiid will be a great core moving forward, but that entitles another year of tanking this year. Think next year they'll spend their.

The philly tank is kinda being over blown. After this year they'll be too good to purposely tank. MCW 3rd year Noel 2nd year & adding 2 top 3 picks will keep them out of the basement. Plus w/ Saric coming over the following year, they'll be rapidly improving after the 14-15 season.

They do need to add a lot of cap though. Prob will add Amare or a big expiring to hit that floor. I'd just offer Bledsoe a really big deal. But Hinkie has a multiyear plan.

But Greenmachine's right. Another blatant tank year for Philly.

Thanks!

Few points-

1. Their tank isn't overblown. It's full on blatant. But it's only for one more year. Then you are correct, they will be too good with all their lotto picks. One more year, one more blue chip prospect + lots of cap to add more quality players and they will be ready to compete. MCW+'15 lotto pick+Saric+Embiid+Noel+LOTS of cap space = a damn good start.
2. They don't need to add $ to get to the salary floor. They can just pay the penelty, which costs them less then adding Amare or whoever. They will leave the space open in case a sweet deal comes along where another team gives them assets for taking back salary.
3. Strong rumor has it they will be the 3rd team in a Love deal. Who knows what that will net them...

I personally think what the Sixers are doing is an embarrassment to competitive sports. Karma will take care of them. One thing we have seen in many sports leagues is if you suck too much, you are bound to stay where you are. Sixers will never be good. It just doesn't work that way.

[bucknersrevenge]

What about offering Sully, Zeller, draft picks and/or filler for Hibbert outright? If you think Indy may have no choice but to rebuild given their situation, why not help Larry get started? You can even offer Green if he thinks he might want to resign him to go along with a healthy George on the wing for next year.

Hibbert is overrated. No thanks.

Would've preferred a little more insight from you on the top but thanks for your input I guess. To your eloquent response I would say, put yourself in Danny's shoes for a minute. Is Hibbert a better asset for this team than Sully, Zeller, and/or Jeff Green? Yeah I'd say he is. A good defensive Center is worth that much. If he rebounds, he can anhor a defense led by Rondo, AB, and Smart. It would be hard to argue against that. That guy needs a change of scenery anyways I think.

[2Mas]

Thanks!

Few points-

1. Their tank isn't overblown. It's full on blatant. But it's only for one more year. Then you are correct, they will be too good with all their lotto picks. One more year, one more blue chip prospect + lots of cap to add more quality players and they will be ready to compete. MCW+'15 lotto pick+Saric+Embiid+Noel+LOTS of cap space = a damn good start.
2. They don't need to add $ to get to the salary floor. They can just pay the penelty, which costs them less then adding Amare or whoever. They will leave the space open in case a sweet deal comes along where another team gives them assets for taking back salary.
3. Strong rumor has it they will be the 3rd team in a Love deal. Who knows what that will net them...

I personally think what the Sixers are doing is an embarrassment to competitive sports. Karma will take care of them. One thing we have seen in many sports leagues is if you suck too much, you are bound to stay where you are. Sixers will never be good. It just doesn't work that way.

Greenmachine I'm not tryna put words in your mouth, or speak for you, but I think it was you last week that we were debating Philly's tank & you were very against it.

I'm the one who's okay with it. Canman -- the idea of 30 teams trying to the their best & fight is great in theory but it just never happens like that. In theory, Philly took the long route, ehh .. a VERY long route. I'm not 100% supportive with what they did. I like the idea, but they shoulda tried to be competitive a little more. Like signing ANY player who makes them better woulda been easier to accept.

I don't think karma will get them. It's strategic. & Also, your 100% on building a loosing culture & getting stuck at being bad, but they had Noel on the side & now Embiid - Saric on the sides. Most tank jobs & bad teams don't have that. I think they should flip their upcoming pick cause they don't need a pick & Mudiay isn't a pg yet. ut hey flip that top 3 pick for a really good right now player, & they're fighting for the playoffs in 2016 already w/ Embiid as a rookie (prob sit out all this year) & Saric coming over.

They have the potential to be really good. & if your fav team was a stupid 7-10th seed every year in a top 5-7 market, I'm sure you wouldn't mind a full reset w/ a bright future.

[KJandHondo35]

What about offering Sully, Zeller, draft picks and/or filler for Hibbert outright? If you think Indy may have no choice but to rebuild given their situation, why not help Larry get started? You can even offer Green if he thinks he might want to resign him to go along with a healthy George on the wing for next year.

Hibbert is overrated. No thanks.

Don't know about overrated but it’s not a stretch. My problem is you could be giving up assets to a 28 year old 7’2” guy that has disappeared for longer periods than the often maligned Jeff Green but has a player option at the end of this coming season and already is getting 15M. Conversely, you could give up close to if not the same assets for the same 14ish Million for a 24 year old big in Monroe and have him under control for 4 years. Average defense, superb top 5 level offensive efficiency and rebounding for the same price and under control seems more favorable than Elite Defense and way below average offense/rebounding and could leave in one season or demand even more money… pros and cons both ways but I usually see more value in youth.

Similarly, another option would be bidding war for DeAndre that I expect to go to the 18M dollar range because he's easy a 15-16M dollar player with more youth vs the FA options next year. So Centers being historically way overvalued vs production and in a free agent scenario 18+M would not shock me at all. The question is, despite DJ being probably the ideal 7’ rim protector in terms of skill to complement our current bigs in Sully or KO, 18M is a HUGE risk for a dude you might not be able to play late when the game is on the line.

The last option which isn’t an option that you can really bank on is suck again and pray that the Lotto balls fall at a pick that would give us a chance for someone like Jahil Okafor, Myles Turner, Karl Townes, or even maybe Dakari Johnson or Willie-Cauley Stein… DA has no control in this situation and is basically all luck but there is a solid crop of legit 5s so that increases the odds of getting at least 1. But it also could be years till that player is capable of playing 20+minutes and could never develop period, so obviously not ideal.

Anyway that’s the options as I see it, Monroe, Hibbert, DJ, or draft… from a production/risk/cost standpoint I probably fall in the Monroe camp (as you most likely already have gathered). I think a Rondo trade is inevitable but it’s going to be for way less than anyone on here “thinks” should be fair. It sucks, but he doesn’t have much value now due to his pedestrian stats (check out Rondo vs Rubio stats wise… not very encouraging because I can’t stand Rubio), limited trading partners due to FA status, injury concerns, shooting concerns, defensive concerns, and personality concerns. But what’s worse is I honestly cannot see a scenario where 20-30 more games will radically improve his value because even pre injury his WAR, Real Plus Minus, PER, FG%s, and FT%s all ranked near the bottom of the NBA for PGs.

It’s not the rosiest of pictures on the Celtics front, but I really think DA picked a winner in Smart (like Young too in a few years) I think the best DA can do right now is grab a young, productive big in Monroe, get whatever you can for Rondo, and commit to the youth movement and cross your fingers again on draft night.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I suspect the Clippers new ownership wins the bidding war for DeAndre Jordan. The best center option appear to be either Hibbert or Asik in free agency, or drafting a center...

[GreenMachine]

Thanks!

Few points-

1. Their tank isn't overblown. It's full on blatant. But it's only for one more year. Then you are correct, they will be too good with all their lotto picks. One more year, one more blue chip prospect + lots of cap to add more quality players and they will be ready to compete. MCW+'15 lotto pick+Saric+Embiid+Noel+LOTS of cap space = a damn good start.
2. They don't need to add $ to get to the salary floor. They can just pay the penelty, which costs them less then adding Amare or whoever. They will leave the space open in case a sweet deal comes along where another team gives them assets for taking back salary.
3. Strong rumor has it they will be the 3rd team in a Love deal. Who knows what that will net them...

I personally think what the Sixers are doing is an embarrassment to competitive sports. Karma will take care of them. One thing we have seen in many sports leagues is if you suck too much, you are bound to stay where you are. Sixers will never be good. It just doesn't work that way.

Greenmachine I'm not tryna put words in your mouth, or speak for you, but I think it was you last week that we were debating Philly's tank & you were very against it.

I'm the one who's okay with it. Canman -- the idea of 30 teams trying to the their best & fight is great in theory but it just never happens like that. In theory, Philly took the long route, ehh .. a VERY long route. I'm not 100% supportive with what they did. I like the idea, but they shoulda tried to be competitive a little more. Like signing ANY player who makes them better woulda been easier to accept.

I don't think karma will get them. It's strategic. & Also, your 100% on building a loosing culture & getting stuck at being bad, but they had Noel on the side & now Embiid - Saric on the sides. Most tank jobs & bad teams don't have that. I think they should flip their upcoming pick cause they don't need a pick & Mudiay isn't a pg yet. ut hey flip that top 3 pick for a really good right now player, & they're fighting for the playoffs in 2016 already w/ Embiid as a rookie (prob sit out all this year) & Saric coming over.

They have the potential to be really good. & if your fav team was a stupid 7-10th seed every year in a top 5-7 market, I'm sure you wouldn't mind a full reset w/ a bright future.

I'm fully in support of changing the rules so what they are doing is not possible... But I am also fully in suport of them exploiting the rules as they are now in order to set themselves up for the long haul. As long as the rules are as they currently are... I think Philly is doing the right thing.

[bucknersrevenge]

What about offering Sully, Zeller, draft picks and/or filler for Hibbert outright? If you think Indy may have no choice but to rebuild given their situation, why not help Larry get started? You can even offer Green if he thinks he might want to resign him to go along with a healthy George on the wing for next year.

Hibbert is overrated. No thanks.

Don't know about overrated but it’s not a stretch. My problem is you could be giving up assets to a 28 year old 7’2” guy that has disappeared for longer periods than the often maligned Jeff Green but has a player option at the end of this coming season and already is getting 15M. Conversely, you could give up close to if not the same assets for the same 14ish Million for a 24 year old big in Monroe and have him under control for 4 years. Average defense, superb top 5 level offensive efficiency and rebounding for the same price and under control seems more favorable than Elite Defense and way below average offense/rebounding and could leave in one season or demand even more money… pros and cons both ways but I usually see more value in youth.

Similarly, another option would be bidding war for DeAndre that I expect to go to the 18M dollar range because he's easy a 15-16M dollar player with more youth vs the FA options next year. So Centers being historically way overvalued vs production and in a free agent scenario 18+M would not shock me at all. The question is, despite DJ being probably the ideal 7’ rim protector in terms of skill to complement our current bigs in Sully or KO, 18M is a HUGE risk for a dude you might not be able to play late when the game is on the line.

The last option which isn’t an option that you can really bank on is suck again and pray that the Lotto balls fall at a pick that would give us a chance for someone like Jahil Okafor, Myles Turner, Karl Townes, or even maybe Dakari Johnson or Willie-Cauley Stein… DA has no control in this situation and is basically all luck but there is a solid crop of legit 5s so that increases the odds of getting at least 1. But it also could be years till that player is capable of playing 20+minutes and could never develop period, so obviously not ideal.

Anyway that’s the options as I see it, Monroe, Hibbert, DJ, or draft… from a production/risk/cost standpoint I probably fall in the Monroe camp (as you most likely already have gathered). I think a Rondo trade is inevitable but it’s going to be for way less than anyone on here “thinks” should be fair. It sucks, but he doesn’t have much value now due to his pedestrian stats (check out Rondo vs Rubio stats wise… not very encouraging because I can’t stand Rubio), limited trading partners due to FA status, injury concerns, shooting concerns, defensive concerns, and personality concerns. But what’s worse is I honestly cannot see a scenario where 20-30 more games will radically improve his value because even pre injury his WAR, Real Plus Minus, PER, FG%s, and FT%s all ranked near the bottom of the NBA for PGs.

It’s not the rosiest of pictures on the Celtics front, but I really think DA picked a winner in Smart (like Young too in a few years) I think the best DA can do right now is grab a young, productive big in Monroe, get whatever you can for Rondo, and commit to the youth movement and cross your fingers again on draft night.

You're tryin to wear me down on Monroe KJ. You are workin hard I will say that. You make a decent case. He still scares me a bit defensively. And I still see a lot of tweener when I look at him. As far as the rest of what you said including the Rondo/Smart stuff, you're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. I just assume turn this team over to a youngish group. IMO, this group is tailor-made to be led by Smart moving forward. I see a number of personalities that I think would feed off a "rah-rah guy" like Smart.

[Slartibartfast]

You're tryin to wear me down on Monroe KJ. You are workin hard I will say that. You make a decent case. He still scares me a bit defensively. And I still see a lot of tweener when I look at him. As far as the rest of what you said including the Rondo/Smart stuff, you're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. I just assume turn this team over to a youngish group. IMO, this group is tailor-made to be led by Smart moving forward. I see a number of personalities that I think would feed off a "rah-rah guy" like Smart.

I just can't get excited about Smart in place of Rondo going forward, especially given the kind of mediocre return I anticipate from a Rondo trade.

We don't have a core that excites me enough to give up on the rest of Rondo's prime just yet.

I still think there's hope that we can use our picks, prospects and potential cap space to build a contender.

Losing Love to the Cavs is a massive blow, but Love isn't the only fish in the sea (though it's hard to see one as appealing on the horizon). Hibbert's already looking more attainable than anyone would have guessed a year ago. Memphis could fall apart and put M. Gasol on the block (as they did Pau). Portland could regress, making LMA the new Love. Atlanta could make Horford available.

Put any of those guys with Rondo and we're in the one big piece away or multiple smaller pieces away camps. Not ready to give that up.

Give me Hibbert for Smart and Wallace.

[humblebum]

You're tryin to wear me down on Monroe KJ. You are workin hard I will say that. You make a decent case. He still scares me a bit defensively. And I still see a lot of tweener when I look at him. As far as the rest of what you said including the Rondo/Smart stuff, you're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. I just assume turn this team over to a youngish group. IMO, this group is tailor-made to be led by Smart moving forward. I see a number of personalities that I think would feed off a "rah-rah guy" like Smart.

I just can't get excited about Smart in place of Rondo going forward, especially given the kind of mediocre return I anticipate from a Rondo trade.

We don't have a core that excites me enough to give up on the rest of Rondo's prime just yet.

I still think there's hope that we can use our picks, prospects and potential cap space to build a contender.

Losing Love to the Cavs is a massive blow, but Love isn't the only fish in the sea (though it's hard to see one as appealing on the horizon). Hibbert's already looking more attainable than anyone would have guessed a year ago. Memphis could fall apart and put M. Gasol on the block (as they did Pau). Portland could regress, making LMA the new Love. Atlanta could make Horford available.

Put any of those guys with Rondo and we're in the one big piece away or multiple smaller pieces away camps. Not ready to give that up.

Give me Hibbert for Smart and Wallace.

This is the type of short sighted ness that kills a franchise. You don't trade Smart to put Rondo and Hibbert together when they're not even a complementary pair and have no chance of leading this team to a championship.

Build with Rondo options are thin. You can build an equal opportunity system with Rondo as the head of the snake while growing stars from within (or trade chips). But that requires getting Rondo to agree to a reasonable contract.

My guess is that Ainge ends up resetting this team around Smart-Bradley and the rest of the young core. No sense in halfway competing with Rondo on a max deal and no legit star next to him for the next 2-3 seasons. You may not get an overwhelmingly great package for him but it'll likely be a solid player and a young stud like Julius Randle.

In 3-4 years the Celtics will be a better built Pacers team with a chance to win a title. I'll take that over some vain hope that the Celtics are going to land a longshot like Gasol or Aldridge. Outside of that there isn't another star good enough who'll be available. Let Rondo go be Kobe's ball jockey for his victory lap.

[Captain_Caveman]

You're tryin to wear me down on Monroe KJ. You are workin hard I will say that. You make a decent case. He still scares me a bit defensively. And I still see a lot of tweener when I look at him. As far as the rest of what you said including the Rondo/Smart stuff, you're preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned. I just assume turn this team over to a youngish group. IMO, this group is tailor-made to be led by Smart moving forward. I see a number of personalities that I think would feed off a "rah-rah guy" like Smart.

I just can't get excited about Smart in place of Rondo going forward, especially given the kind of mediocre return I anticipate from a Rondo trade.

We don't have a core that excites me enough to give up on the rest of Rondo's prime just yet.

I still think there's hope that we can use our picks, prospects and potential cap space to build a contender.

Losing Love to the Cavs is a massive blow, but Love isn't the only fish in the sea (though it's hard to see one as appealing on the horizon). Hibbert's already looking more attainable than anyone would have guessed a year ago. Memphis could fall apart and put M. Gasol on the block (as they did Pau). Portland could regress, making LMA the new Love. Atlanta could make Horford available.

Put any of those guys with Rondo and we're in the one big piece away or multiple smaller pieces away camps. Not ready to give that up.

Give me Hibbert for Smart and Wallace.

This is the type of short sighted ness that kills a franchise. You don't trade Smart to put Rondo and Hibbert together when they're not even a complementary pair and have no chance of leading this team to a championship.

Build with Rondo options are thin. You can build an equal opportunity system with Rondo as the head of the snake while growing stars from within (or trade chips). But that requires getting Rondo to agree to a reasonable contract.

My guess is that Ainge ends up resetting this team around Smart-Bradley and the rest of the young core. No sense in halfway competing with Rondo on a max deal and no legit star next to him for the next 2-3 seasons. You may not get an overwhelmingly great package for him but it'll likely be a solid player and a young stud like Julius Randle.

In 3-4 years the Celtics will be a better built Pacers team with a chance to win a title. I'll take that over some vain hope that the Celtics are going to land a longshot like Gasol or Aldridge. Outside of that there isn't another star good enough who'll be available. Let Rondo go be Kobe's ball jockey for his victory lap.

Agree with all of that save for us being able to get a guy of Randle's caliber. Why would the Lakers do that when they can just sign Rondo outright a year from now, while tanking for another top 5-10 pick?

Cs fans are on for a rude awakening on Rondo, I think. Either from the contract we give him, or more likely, the return we get for him in trade. The whole discussion is colored by people thinking that one or more of the other actors will go against their own interest to benefit the Celtics, such as Rondo taking less than what he can get on the open market to play for a rebuilding team or accepting a trade to a team like Sacto that he doesn't want to play for, or other teams like the Lakers giving up assets that they completely do not need to (Randle or other top 10 picks).

I just don't see it. I'm almost warming up the idea of Bledsoe, to be honest, because at least that is a possible swap. How many teams are out there who are possibilities for Rondo to resign with next summer? Lakers, Rockets, Knicks, Suns... who am I missing?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Agree with all of that save for us being able to get a guy of Randle's caliber. Why would the Lakers do that when they can just sign Rondo outright a year from now, while tanking for another top 5-10 pick?

Lakers do it cause Kobe doesn't want to tank. Hell they've been link to Bledsoe already...

[humblebum]

I just can't get excited about Smart in place of Rondo going forward, especially given the kind of mediocre return I anticipate from a Rondo trade.

We don't have a core that excites me enough to give up on the rest of Rondo's prime just yet.

I still think there's hope that we can use our picks, prospects and potential cap space to build a contender.

Losing Love to the Cavs is a massive blow, but Love isn't the only fish in the sea (though it's hard to see one as appealing on the horizon). Hibbert's already looking more attainable than anyone would have guessed a year ago. Memphis could fall apart and put M. Gasol on the block (as they did Pau). Portland could regress, making LMA the new Love. Atlanta could make Horford available.

Put any of those guys with Rondo and we're in the one big piece away or multiple smaller pieces away camps. Not ready to give that up.

Give me Hibbert for Smart and Wallace.

This is the type of short sighted ness that kills a franchise. You don't trade Smart to put Rondo and Hibbert together when they're not even a complementary pair and have no chance of leading this team to a championship.

Build with Rondo options are thin. You can build an equal opportunity system with Rondo as the head of the snake while growing stars from within (or trade chips). But that requires getting Rondo to agree to a reasonable contract.

My guess is that Ainge ends up resetting this team around Smart-Bradley and the rest of the young core. No sense in halfway competing with Rondo on a max deal and no legit star next to him for the next 2-3 seasons. You may not get an overwhelmingly great package for him but it'll likely be a solid player and a young stud like Julius Randle.

In 3-4 years the Celtics will be a better built Pacers team with a chance to win a title. I'll take that over some vain hope that the Celtics are going to land a longshot like Gasol or Aldridge. Outside of that there isn't another star good enough who'll be available. Let Rondo go be Kobe's ball jockey for his victory lap.

Agree with all of that save for us being able to get a guy of Randle's caliber. Why would the Lakers do that when they can just sign Rondo outright a year from now, while tanking for another top 5-10 pick?

Cs fans are on for a rude awakening on Rondo, I think. Either from the contract we give him, or more likely, the return we get for him in trade. The whole discussion is colored by people thinking that one or more of the other actors will go against their own interest to benefit the Celtics, such as Rondo taking less than what he can get on the open market to play for a rebuilding team or accepting a trade to a team like Sacto that he doesn't want to play for, or other teams like the Lakers giving up assets that they completely do not need to (Randle or other top 10 picks).

I just don't see it. I'm almost warming up the idea of Bledsoe, to be honest, because at least that is a possible swap. How many teams are out there who are possibilities for Rondo to resign with next summer? Lakers, Rockets, Knicks, Suns... who am I missing?

Yeah, I'm prepared to get very little in return for Rondo but I also think there is a chance you can prey on a desperate team like L.A. Rondo fits them perfectly. And by getting him now it opens the possibility of trying to recruit another star next offseason.

If we are trading Rondo for an expensive RFA I hope it's Monroe. I'd rather turn the backcourt over to Smart-Bradley-Turner.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Build with Rondo options are thin. You can build an equal opportunity system with Rondo as the head of the snake while growing stars from within (or trade chips). But that requires getting Rondo to agree to a reasonable contract.

My guess is that Ainge ends up resetting this team around Smart-Bradley and the rest of the young core. No sense in halfway competing with Rondo on a max deal and no legit star next to him for the next 2-3 seasons. You may not get an overwhelmingly great package for him but it'll likely be a solid player and a young stud like Julius Randle.

yeah, I can see a deal happening with LA and/or Phoenix. this team's looking like 8-10th worst in the league, which is a crappy spot to pick and Rondo won't be happy..

[CelticFaninLBC]

I don't see NYK as a Rondo destination, as they just traded for Calderone, and Phil doesn't seem to highly value the pg position. He won titles with John Paxson, Ron Harper and Derek Fisher @ pg..

[Captain_Caveman]

Agree with all of that save for us being able to get a guy of Randle's caliber. Why would the Lakers do that when they can just sign Rondo outright a year from now, while tanking for another top 5-10 pick?

Lakers do it cause Kobe doesn't want to tank. Hell they've been link to Bledsoe already...

They might have interest in Bledsoe, but for what? Not Randle, I bet.

Also, even supposing it was for Randle, that trade would give them control of Bledsoe for 4 years, likely at a good rate, whereas they'd only have control of Rondo for 1 year prior to him wanting a max extension.

[humblebum]

I don't see NYK as a Rondo destination, as they just traded for Calderone, and Phil doesn't seem to highly value the pg position. He won titles with John Paxson, Ron Harper and Derek Fisher @ pg..

Rondo doesn't fit the triangle. I don't think he's a target for NY either

[165bows]

I just can't get excited about Smart in place of Rondo going forward, especially given the kind of mediocre return I anticipate from a Rondo trade.

We don't have a core that excites me enough to give up on the rest of Rondo's prime just yet.

I still think there's hope that we can use our picks, prospects and potential cap space to build a contender.

Losing Love to the Cavs is a massive blow, but Love isn't the only fish in the sea (though it's hard to see one as appealing on the horizon). Hibbert's already looking more attainable than anyone would have guessed a year ago. Memphis could fall apart and put M. Gasol on the block (as they did Pau). Portland could regress, making LMA the new Love. Atlanta could make Horford available.

Put any of those guys with Rondo and we're in the one big piece away or multiple smaller pieces away camps. Not ready to give that up.

Give me Hibbert for Smart and Wallace.

This is the type of short sighted ness that kills a franchise. You don't trade Smart to put Rondo and Hibbert together when they're not even a complementary pair and have no chance of leading this team to a championship.

Build with Rondo options are thin. You can build an equal opportunity system with Rondo as the head of the snake while growing stars from within (or trade chips). But that requires getting Rondo to agree to a reasonable contract.

My guess is that Ainge ends up resetting this team around Smart-Bradley and the rest of the young core. No sense in halfway competing with Rondo on a max deal and no legit star next to him for the next 2-3 seasons. You may not get an overwhelmingly great package for him but it'll likely be a solid player and a young stud like Julius Randle.

In 3-4 years the Celtics will be a better built Pacers team with a chance to win a title. I'll take that over some vain hope that the Celtics are going to land a longshot like Gasol or Aldridge. Outside of that there isn't another star good enough who'll be available. Let Rondo go be Kobe's ball jockey for his victory lap.

Agree with all of that save for us being able to get a guy of Randle's caliber. Why would the Lakers do that when they can just sign Rondo outright a year from now, while tanking for another top 5-10 pick?

Cs fans are on for a rude awakening on Rondo, I think. Either from the contract we give him, or more likely, the return we get for him in trade. The whole discussion is colored by people thinking that one or more of the other actors will go against their own interest to benefit the Celtics, such as Rondo taking less than what he can get on the open market to play for a rebuilding team or accepting a trade to a team like Sacto that he doesn't want to play for, or other teams like the Lakers giving up assets that they completely do not need to (Randle or other top 10 picks).

I just don't see it. I'm almost warming up the idea of Bledsoe, to be honest, because at least that is a possible swap. How many teams are out there who are possibilities for Rondo to resign with next summer? Lakers, Rockets, Knicks, Suns... who am I missing?

I see Dallas as an easy top 3 if something goes down, maybe top 2 with Houston. They could dump Felton and Nelson's deals next year (and have a long history of moving picks to get established vets), resign Chandler and then sign Rondo to a decent deal. Or just sign and trade for him next summer if they want to be the high bidder.

And I agree on the rude awakening part on the contract, and would agree on the trade aspect except for one thing. Danny's recent history of patience and waiting until someone is willing to overpay is the counterbalance in the trade scenario.

But it did occur to me recently that the pick the Rockets got for Asik is a bit too similar to the Kyle Lowry pick scenario that ultimately landed them Harden. They have the 8.6M necessary to take in Rondo in trade without hurting their current rotation, including 5m of it that could be immediately waived. Plus their TPE that could take in Bass or Anthony.

I will be sorry to see him go if it comes to that but I figure it's either a quick rebuild with Rondo, or two lotto picks this year and some other goodies and then they will just have a go at it from there.

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I just can't get excited about Smart in place of Rondo going forward, especially given the kind of mediocre return I anticipate from a Rondo trade.

We don't have a core that excites me enough to give up on the rest of Rondo's prime just yet.

I still think there's hope that we can use our picks, prospects and potential cap space to build a contender.

Losing Love to the Cavs is a massive blow, but Love isn't the only fish in the sea (though it's hard to see one as appealing on the horizon). Hibbert's already looking more attainable than anyone would have guessed a year ago. Memphis could fall apart and put M. Gasol on the block (as they did Pau). Portland could regress, making LMA the new Love. Atlanta could make Horford available.

Put any of those guys with Rondo and we're in the one big piece away or multiple smaller pieces away camps. Not ready to give that up.

Give me Hibbert for Smart and Wallace.

This is the type of short sighted ness that kills a franchise. You don't trade Smart to put Rondo and Hibbert together when they're not even a complementary pair and have no chance of leading this team to a championship.

Build with Rondo options are thin. You can build an equal opportunity system with Rondo as the head of the snake while growing stars from within (or trade chips). But that requires getting Rondo to agree to a reasonable contract.

My guess is that Ainge ends up resetting this team around Smart-Bradley and the rest of the young core. No sense in halfway competing with Rondo on a max deal and no legit star next to him for the next 2-3 seasons. You may not get an overwhelmingly great package for him but it'll likely be a solid player and a young stud like Julius Randle.

In 3-4 years the Celtics will be a better built Pacers team with a chance to win a title. I'll take that over some vain hope that the Celtics are going to land a longshot like Gasol or Aldridge. Outside of that there isn't another star good enough who'll be available. Let Rondo go be Kobe's ball jockey for his victory lap.

Trading for the 27 year old anchor of back to back #1 defenses is hardly franchise killing short-sightedness.

And Hibbert complements Rondo fine. He's a defender first and foremost who has a decent post game, a huge body for screens and is a big target on the drive and dish. Hibbert doesn't need a floor-spacer because he's not a featured iso guy anyway. His biggest need is quick defenders who can rotate to shooters on the perimeter so he can stay in the paint.

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Trade rondo for Bledsoe straight up Bledsoe is better offensively an defensively
While rondo is the best facilitator in the league but we will probably lose him in free agency so yea