The business of NBA basketball, Disabled Player Exception.

basketballwacko2 · Post #1 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 2:46 pm

According to the 2011 collective bargaining agreement, the Pacers can sign a player to a one-year deal for "an amount equal to the non-taxpayer mid-level salary exception," which is $5.305 million for 2014-15 season.

With the injury to Paul George we have to ask what do we do now. After we get our prayers said for Paul and his family, we have to think about what we can do to help the team to go 12-15 months or longer without our best player. The Disabled Player Exception says we can sign or acquire a player with a salary of $5.305 million.

Who is out there what kind of moves can we make?

Plan A. Sign a player to give depth at SF, first choice Shawn Marion. Others include Chris Singleton.

Plan B. Trade to acquire talent. Do not trade our pick for a SF. My first choice S&T for Eric Bledsoe.
Other moves your guess is as good as mine.

Plan C. Stand Pat. We have Miles who can play SG/SF, Solo Hill, Rudez, and Cope. Not exactly a Murders
Row, but not garbage either.

chube · Post #2 » by **chube** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 2:59 pm

I love the Marion idea but if I understand the CBA, the exception still counts against the cap, correct?

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mikepacernation · Post #3 » by **mikepacernation** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 5:52 pm

chube wrote:I love the Marion idea but if I understand the CBA, the exception still counts against the cap, correct?

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yes it does we are 2 millions under right now. I don't expect any signs at all maybe trades but I doubt it

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Post #4 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 6:26 pm

chube wrote:I love the Marion idea but if I understand the CBA, the exception still counts against the cap, correct?

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Correct. We also have 15 players on the roster, as well (though there are no limits on roster spots in the offseason, we would obviously have to cut one at some point before the season). Thus, we could waive Scola for his partial-guaranteed deal, save $3m immediately, and then spend up to $5m using the DPE without exceeding the tax line. Though, I think we'd max out at around $4m in a DPE offer without other moves, as we'd like to keep at least $1m free under the tax, just in case.

Moooose · Post #5 » by **Moooose** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 7:32 pm

I'm a little torn between Plan A and Plan B.

On Plan A, and with the exception, I agree we do need to cut someone and look to spend that money very very wisely. Out of the available free agents, Michael Beasley intrigues me the most. He is talented but always in a bad fit, could be a starting 3 too. All other names in the list are reserves at best - Chris Singleton, Dante Cunningham. Jordan Hamilton, Chris Douglas-Roberts, etc.

On Plan B. We still have some pieces to move to try to acquire someone better than the other free agents. Scola and Copeland are both expendables, IMO, As LaVoy Allen and Rudez can step in in their places. Not sure who we can get for Scola and Copeland, but I would want someone like Courtney Lee, Jeff Green, Andrei Kirilenko, J.R. Smith, Derrick Williams, Dorrell Wright and some others.

basketballwacko2 · Post #6 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 10:06 pm

There are a number of reclamation projects out there, guys that were high picks and flopped like Derrick Williams, and Beasley. Jeff Green is interesting would Boston entertain a trade of Scola and Copeland for Green.

I was looking at a deal someone suggested Boston they are loaded with #1 picks from the deal they did with Brooklyn they even have Philly's #1 which will likely because 2 #2's assuming Philly is as bad as they look.

They want to get rid of Gerald Wallace one of the worst contracts in the NBA so how about Wallace, Olynyk, and Bogans and one or two of their picks say Brooklyn 2017 and the Philly pick, for Roy Hibbert. Bogans could be cut immediately and save $5.2 million as his deal is not guaranteed, Wallace can still give you some minutes at SF even though he's a shadow of his former self. Then we have the value end of it we save $2.6 million in salary and get Olynyk and what should be a high draft pick. By 2016 Brooklyn should be a lottery team.

basketballwacko2 · Post #7 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sun Aug 3, 2014 10:08 pm

A large part of me wants to do nothing and stand pat. We'd get to see just what Soloman Hill has to offer. The only way I'd trade David West is if he came in and said, "I don't want to go through a losing season at this point in my career." Then I'd respect his wishes and try to move him to a contender.

Post #8 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 1:22 am

I'd probably prefer just to stand pat too. Or we could sign Bynum again and try and reverse the curse he apparently put on our team.

Wizop · Post #9 » by **Wizop** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 4:42 pm

I don't think the disability exemption will turn out to be a big deal for us. it is limited to one year deals and any moves we make should be calculated to make us better when PG returns. being better when he is out isn't the priority. think Suck for Luck.

Post #10 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 7:50 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:There are a number of reclamation projects out there, guys that were high picks and flopped like Derrick Williams, and Beasley. Jeff Green is interesting would Boston entertain a trade of Scola and Copeland for Green.

I was looking at a deal someone suggested Boston they are loaded with #1 picks from the deal they did with Brooklyn they even have Philly's #1 which will likely because 2 #2's assuming Philly is as bad as they look.

They want to get rid of Gerald Wallace one of the worst contracts in the NBA so how about Wallace, Olynyk, and Bogans and one or two of their picks say Brooklyn 2017 and the Philly pick, for Roy Hibbert. Bogans could be cut immediately and save $5.2 million as his deal is not guaranteed, Wallace can still give you some minutes at SF even though he's a shadow of his former self. Then we have the value end of it we save $2.6 million in salary and get Olynyk and what should be a high draft pick. By 2016 Brooklyn should be a lottery team.

Wallace really can't give much of anything at this point on the court. Add in 2 big money years remaining, and I'd want a couple 1st round picks just to eat his deal, forget including Hibbert.

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basketballwacko2 · Post #11 » by **basketballwacko2** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 9:54 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Wallace really can't give much of anything at this point on the court. Add in 2 big money years remaining, and I'd want a couple 1st round picks just to eat his deal, forget including Hibbert.

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Yeah taking Wallace and his contract is pretty repulsive would it be worth it to take him and get paid 2 picks? Then add in Hibbert for Olynyk and Zeller. I don't know what Celtics fans would think of that, but I'd probably do it even though I'd have to hold my nose on Wallace.

Post #12 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Aug 4, 2014 10:23 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Wallace really can't give much of anything at this point on the court. Add in 2 big money years remaining, and I'd want a couple 1st round picks just to eat his deal, forget including Hibbert.

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Yeah taking Wallace and his contract is pretty repulsive would it be worth it to take him and get paid 2 picks? Then add in Hibbert for Olynyk and Zeller. I don't know what Celtics fans would think of that, but I'd probably do it even though I'd have to hold my nose on Wallace.

I have trouble doing a Hibbert for Olynyk, Tyler Zeller, and expiring kind of deal. Add in Wallace, and 2 1sts likely aren't enough, especially if they're the Clippers 1st, and the Philly 1st (which is protected enough that it will likely be 2 2nd round picks).

basketballwacko2 · Post #13 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 2:49 am

I found this list of Boston's picks in a thread on the trade board. I agree that the Philly pick is essentially a 2nd round pick I wouldn't want that unless it's the 3rd pick in the deal.

Boston's Picks:
2015 LAC 1st (mid 20s, late 20s)
1st from Philly (likely to become the 31st pick in both 2015 and 2016 drafts
2016 BRK 1st (this could be a good pick)
2016 CLE 1st
2017 BRK 1st (BOS owns right to swap)
2018 BRK 1st
all of Boston's own 1st round picks

I'm sure the Boston Fans would think that was giving up too much to ditch Wallace's final 2 years, but they have a lot of players now and all those picks coming. Counting their own picks: 2 #1s and 2 #2s in 2015, 3 #1's and 2 #2 in 2016, 1 #1 in 2017 and 2 #1's in 2018. They need to consolidate some of those young players into more important pieces. Spending their money on Hibbert rather than Wallace and Olynyk will serve them better, they have 5 centers on their team counting Sullinger as a Center.

Really I'd like to just split the SF between Soloman Hill and CJ Miles and give Miles the back up SG minutes.

I'd have to consider taking Wallace if I could get 2 #1s and the Philly #2. You could always package those picks to move up in the draft. I'd hate to give them Hibbert but getting back 2 of Olynyk, Sullinger or Zeller with the picks would make it less replusive.

Moooose · Post #14 » by **Moooose** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 4:45 am

I have a question. Could be stupid but I will ask it anyway.

Million knocks on wood. If Paul George says he's not capable of playing anymore with the injury he has sustained, is there some kind of exception or a rule on this kind of situation? I am talking about his contract as he's still got some 4 years or so, and not to mention big money. I am not familiar as to in what extent does the "cooperation" between the NBA and USA Basketball should be, but since George got injured in a Team USA game, is there some kind of assistance we can get from them?

Boneman2 · Post #15 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 5:27 am

For some reason I forgot that Wallace had 2 years remaining. That being the case there is no way in hell that I would ever accept this deal unless I was tanking and several draft picks were included.

Hibbert to Boston starts with Smart and Olynyk or Zeller and includes no bad contracts.

H E Pennypacker · Post #16 » by **H E Pennypacker** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 12:35 pm

Moooose wrote:I have a question. Could be stupid but I will ask it anyway.

Million knocks on wood. If Paul George says he's not capable of playing anymore with the injury he has sustained, is there some kind of exception or a rule on this kind of situation? I am talking about his contract as he's still got some 4 years or so, and not to mention big money. I am not familiar as to in what extent does the "cooperation" between the NBA and USA Basketball should be, but since George got injured in a Team USA game, is there some kind of assistance we can get from them?

I have no idea but I believe that USA Basketball is a non-profit and the players are voluntarily part of it. I don't think they have any skin in the game - someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I do know one thing - this kind of thing definitely needs addressed in the next CBA. When you have players like Paul & Derrick Rose that have the ability to eat-up something like 30% of a team's salary cap - there has to be a way to provide relief to a franchise in the event of season-ending injuries.

I'd also love it if they could adopt aspects of all several sports leagues contracts/salaries - i.e. NFL-type salary cap (no soft/hard cap stuff), MLB-style control of younger players (arbitration years - you control young talent longer before free agency). Sorry if this is off-topic….still learning the rules of the board!

Post #17 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 3:59 pm

Moooose wrote:I have a question. Could be stupid but I will ask it anyway.

Million knocks on wood. If Paul George says he's not capable of playing anymore with the injury he has sustained, is there some kind of exception or a rule on this kind of situation? I am talking about his contract as he's still got some 4 years or so, and not to mention big money. I am not familiar as to in what extent does the "cooperation" between the NBA and USA Basketball should be, but since George got injured in a Team USA game, is there some kind of assistance we can get from them?

Theoretically, George would have to retire, and after this upcoming season, the Pacers could apply to have his salary excluded from the cap. This is only an option if the injury is proven to be career ending. However, if he were to return anytime in the 4 seasons following, the length of his contract, his salary would return to the Pacers cap if he were to play 25 games in any season.

This is what happened when Darius Miles returned to play with the Grizzlies in 2008-09 after retiring from the Blazers, and I believe the cause as to why Portland had to use their amnesty on Brandon Roy's contract, though I may be mis-remembering that specific case.

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basketballwacko2 · Post #18 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 4:18 pm

Moooose wrote:I have a question. Could be stupid but I will ask it anyway.

Million knocks on wood. If Paul George says he's not capable of playing anymore with the injury he has sustained, is there some kind of exception or a rule on this kind of situation? I am talking about his contract as he's still got some 4 years or so, and not to mention big money. I am not familiar as to in what extent does the "cooperation" between the NBA and USA Basketball should be, but since George got injured in a Team USA game, is there some kind of assistance we can get from them?

I believe the league has insurance that pays 80% of his salary and like Scoot said there is an exclusion from the cap if he cannot play again. That's a nightmare for the Pacers but at least there is some financial relief.

Starkiller · Post #19 » by **Starkiller** » Tue Aug 5, 2014 11:59 pm

I have absolutely no remote desire to just tread water and limp into the playoffs. If we aren't a favorite to win a title (and we aren't without PG) then there's no point in trying to be. Being a lottery team is the best thing that could happen to us this year, and we as fans have to realize that without PG this is an off year.

Moooose · Post #20 » by **Moooose** » Wed Aug 6, 2014 6:35 am

H E Pennypacker wrote:I have no idea but I believe that USA Basketball is a non-profit and the players are voluntarily part of it. I don't think they have any skin in the game - someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I do know one thing - this kind of thing definitely needs addressed in the next CBA. When you have players like Paul & Derrick Rose that have the ability to eat-up something like 30% of a team's salary cap - there has to be a way to provide relief to a franchise in the event of season-ending injuries.

I'd also love it if they could adopt aspects of all several sports leagues contracts/salaries - i.e. NFL-type salary cap (no soft/hard cap stuff), MLB-style control of younger players (arbitration years - you control young talent longer before free agency). Sorry if this is off-topic….still learning the rules of the board!

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Theoretically, George would have to retire, and after this upcoming season, the Pacers could apply to have his salary excluded from the cap. This is only an option if the injury is proven to be career ending. However, if he were to return anytime in the 4 seasons following, the length of his contract, his salary would return to the Pacers cap if he were to play 25 games in any season.

This is what happened when Darius Miles returned to play with the Grizzlies in 2008-09 after retiring from the Blazers, and I believe the cause as to why Portland had to use their amnesty on Brandon Roy's contract, though I may be mis-remembering that specific case.

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basketballwacko2 wrote:
I believe the league has insurance that pays 80% of his salary and like Scoot said there is an exclusion from the cap if he cannot play again. That's a nightmare for the Pacers but at least there is some financial relief.

Thanks for the replies guys!

I agree that there should be an amendment to the next CBA regarding this situation, because at the end of the day, they have contracts with their respective teams. And in case of significant injuries, their careers and the future of their franchises are on the line.

I do remember that Darius Miles story.

Hope we will not resort to this option.