The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[bwgood77]

Bledsoe is overall a better player than Dragic, especially when healthy. That article piece saying he is a second fiddle to Dragic would irk him more. I seriously believe Bledsoe without Dragic would put up 20/7/5/2 himself with elite defense. I'm actually not bothered when Suns play teams with elite PGs when Bledsoe is there... Can't say the same with Dragic. Dragic is more exciting to watch no doubt especially his transition scoring, but Bledsoe bothers other star PGs.

Wait. Seriously? I'll give you the nod on defense, but w/ that jumper you think he's better than Dragic?

Yes.
When you have Bledsoe, he makes the other PG less efficient, gets them more frustrated.

He is on the same level as Rondo defensively, when on form, IMO.

Dragic is a lot better to watch offensively, but OVERALL... as in both sides, Bledsoe is a star-stopper.


Before the injuries... when both Bledsoe and Dragic was playing, Bledsoe's stats were slightly better and his impact was tremendous.

We havent seen Bledsoe WITHOUT Dragic, but I'm confident his stats will go up too... less efficient, but his defense is so reliable... so much more than Dragic.

Like I said, going up against the Lilards, Currys, Westbrooks etc, I'm 100% confident the matchup will even out even if these guys are playing well.
Dragic isnt "bad" defensively, but he wont be able to contain a hot Lilard, Curry, Westbrook etc.

I watched so many games last season just paying attention to Bledsoe's defense and he really does slow the other PGs down considerably. Forces them to take tough shots etc. Sure, they'll hit some of them.. they are NBA stars afterall, but Bledsoe makes them work and spend energy trying to get their shots up. So valuable in a close game.


Dragic offense maybe better than Bledsoe, but as I said... Bledsoe isnt that far behind, he can put up 20 a night.
But his defense is 150% that of Dragic.... hence my judgement of him being better OVERALL.

With both on the floor along with our starters, they had the 10th best pt differential at 3.3, which projects to about 52 wins over a season.

With Kieff instead of Plumlee, we had the 43rd best lineup.

With Dragic and no Bledsoe:

along with Green, the twins and Frye, we ranked 110th in pt differential, projecting out to 43 wins

along with most other variations, we projected to 41 wins

But the best lineup with Bledsoe and no Dragic ranked 178th. Bledsoe with Green, Tucker, Frye and Plumlee had a negative 2.2 pt differential, projecting to 34 wins.

So basically Bledsoe had much more trouble playing without Dragic than vice versa. He is worth approx 9 more wins.

http://stats.nba.com/leagueLineups.html ... r%20Season

[bwgood77]

Sorry, double post.

[bwgood77]

NBA Star, regular jerk... does not matter who, if you plead out you will never see those kinds of sentencing guidelines.

If you plead out and super extreme you will see 45 days and extreme 30 days every time! My buddy got an extreme and did 30 days. I also talked to my friend who is a police officer and he said the minimum jail time has to be sentenced if plead out but fines , probation, etc may be different

I'm an attorney, although not in Arizona. But I know for a fact that in Texas that's not true. Minimums are sentenced around all the time, either through time served or suspended sentences contingent on completing the other requirements of the plea. No offense to cops, but they are surprisingly ignorant of many aspects of the law, particularly the intricacies of sentencing. Maybe he hears 30 days but not the rest of it, but that does not always mean 30 days. For instance, a typical first DUI for someone with no priors in texas will have a sentence of a number of days in jail, but credits for the first night served and suspends that jail time sentence, meaning really it's just probation or whatever the additional counseling/other requirements are, on top of the heavy fines. The story may be different if you fight the charges and lose rather than accept a plea. The truth is though that he's not the first person to serve less than the minimum and he won't be the last, so to call this special treatment just because he's an NBA player isn't necessarily true. The judge also probably factored in the public embarrassment that is a greater embarrassment to him than a typical person because he is a public figure.

Yeah, in AZ it used to be minimum 10 days in jail for a first, but 9 would be waived based on certain conditions. It's possible that out of 30 days, the same 90% days is waived based on certain conditions (I noticed above it said days can be waived under certain conditions). It's pretty standard.

[GOGI_4_MVP]

whats IDD 18 mos (months?)

Ignition interlock device for 18 months

[NoKneeBledsoe]

If you plead out and super extreme you will see 45 days and extreme 30 days every time! My buddy got an extreme and did 30 days. I also talked to my friend who is a police officer and he said the minimum jail time has to be sentenced if plead out but fines , probation, etc may be different

I'm an attorney, although not in Arizona. But I know for a fact that in Texas that's not true. Minimums are sentenced around all the time, either through time served or suspended sentences contingent on completing the other requirements of the plea. No offense to cops, but they are surprisingly ignorant of many aspects of the law, particularly the intricacies of sentencing. Maybe he hears 30 days but not the rest of it, but that does not always mean 30 days. For instance, a typical first DUI for someone with no priors in texas will have a sentence of a number of days in jail, but credits for the first night served and suspends that jail time sentence, meaning really it's just probation or whatever the additional counseling/other requirements are, on top of the heavy fines. The story may be different if you fight the charges and lose rather than accept a plea. The truth is though that he's not the first person to serve less than the minimum and he won't be the last, so to call this special treatment just because he's an NBA player isn't necessarily true. The judge also probably factored in the public embarrassment that is a greater embarrassment to him than a typical person because he is a public figure.

Yeah, in AZ it used to be minimum 10 days in jail for a first, but 9 would be waived based on certain conditions. It's possible that out of 30 days, the same 90% days is waived based on certain conditions (I noticed above it said days can be waived under certain conditions). It's pretty standard.

Arizona has stricter DUI laws then most. As an attorney do your research and ask someone in AZ what would happen with Jail Sentence for a Regular Joe with a super extreme DUI

Thanks

[bwgood77]

Arizona has stricter DUI laws then most. As an attorney do your research and ask someone in AZ what would happen with Jail Sentence for a Regular Joe with a super extreme DUI

Thanks

Sorry about your reading comprehension skills. I know AZ is tougher than most, but it stands to reason that since days are typically waived under certain conditions (and this is standard and is what usually happens...it even said so in your first post with the laws which I guess you didn't read, or didn't understand).

I was attempting to help you understand some things, but that can be difficult. I have spoken with attorneys about this in the past in AZ.

[Saberestar]

Four current NBA executives and two prominent agents were anonymously unanimous in their belief that the Suns made a fair offer to Bledsoe and that he does not merit a maximum-salary contract now.
One executive considered $48 million to be more than enough.

"I'm surprised that they would offer him that much," he said. "They don't need to. It is really fair and, in fact, generous. He is talented, but he has never put it together very long, and he hasn't been healthy. It's hard to turn your team over to him."
With skepticism of his decision-making and perimeter shooting, his athleticism becomes a key for his outstanding defense, drives and transition ability, but that is tainted by two right-knee surgeries.
One executive and one agent said they could see paying him slightly more than Phoenix's offer, but only approaching $13 million per year.

"He expected way too much," another executive said. "They built up his head, and it gets him out of whack. I'd love to have him, but he's not a max player. All it takes is one team, but one team hasn't made him an offer sheet."
That seems to be a point of contention from Bledsoe's side, although his only comment in 3½ months suggested that he understood why the Suns were "using" his restricted free-agency status against him. There is a contention that restricted free agency discourages outside interest because it can tie up cap space and ruffle roster players, only to often lose them to the original team's right to match the offer sheet.
The Suns' public stance that Bledsoe was a priority would be noble in any other light but is seen as manipulative in restricted free agency.
"That is like telling someone, 'I know you know how to read, but you aren't allowed to read,' " an agent said. "You use the tools you get."

One executive said restricted free agency is a factor only when a team is unwilling to offer a maximum deal. If anything, he said, teams that desire a restricted free agent are inclined to overpay.
"The desperation deals are done," another agent said. "Nobody is feeling pressure now."

Bledsoe could consider shorter terms, like a fourth-year player option so that he could be eligible for a higher maximum salary as a seven-year player (30 percent of the salary cap vs. 25 percent) and cash in on a new collective-bargaining agreement at age 27.
The Suns' only competition is a $3.7 million qualifying offer, which Bledsoe can choose by Oct. 1. It would be a massive initial-salary sacrifice and a significant risk. The benefit is becoming an unrestricted free agent next year.
If he signed a maximum deal next summer, he would make up the coming season's financial loss after the first three years. But that would require a maximum deal. Otherwise, he would be behind the Suns' offer financially entering 2018-19.
Even with a one-year return, the Suns' need to succeed and ability to offer Bledsoe more than any team next summer would give him a fair shake. Bledsoe would be betting on himself again, as he did when the Suns' contract-extension offers were not enough in October. Since then, he has been told that he could be a maximum-level player. It is no wonder a $48 million offer would seem low to him.

Perhaps a new deal gets negotiated in the coming weeks. If not, the Suns run the risk of losing Goran Dragic and Bledsoe next summer.
"There is no way anyone in a million years could say the Suns are being unfair," an agent said. "Nobody can blame the Suns at all."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /13608669/

[JTrain]

Everyone at least excited about the new jerseys?

[Revived]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

[King4Day]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

He'll probably want max too so we'll wait until next off season

[MilotheSlayer]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

He'll probably want max too so we'll wait until next off season

Actually I think if we offer him a good deal around 6 or 7 mil and sign his brother up at the same time he'd sign up. I think them playing together is more important than the money.

[carey]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

He'll probably want max too so we'll wait until next off season

LOL. I know you are saying he will probably want it, but not saying he deserves it... still, that's HI-LARIOUS.

[AtheJ415]

I'm an attorney, although not in Arizona. But I know for a fact that in Texas that's not true. Minimums are sentenced around all the time, either through time served or suspended sentences contingent on completing the other requirements of the plea. No offense to cops, but they are surprisingly ignorant of many aspects of the law, particularly the intricacies of sentencing. Maybe he hears 30 days but not the rest of it, but that does not always mean 30 days. For instance, a typical first DUI for someone with no priors in texas will have a sentence of a number of days in jail, but credits for the first night served and suspends that jail time sentence, meaning really it's just probation or whatever the additional counseling/other requirements are, on top of the heavy fines. The story may be different if you fight the charges and lose rather than accept a plea. The truth is though that he's not the first person to serve less than the minimum and he won't be the last, so to call this special treatment just because he's an NBA player isn't necessarily true. The judge also probably factored in the public embarrassment that is a greater embarrassment to him than a typical person because he is a public figure.

Yeah, in AZ it used to be minimum 10 days in jail for a first, but 9 would be waived based on certain conditions. It's possible that out of 30 days, the same 90% days is waived based on certain conditions (I noticed above it said days can be waived under certain conditions). It's pretty standard.

Arizona has stricter DUI laws then most. As an attorney do your research and ask someone in AZ what would happen with Jail Sentence for a Regular Joe with a super extreme DUI

Thanks

I know Arizona's is stricter, but it's true across states that sentencing minimums can be gotten around via suspended sentences and probationary terms. I don't need to do any research to tell you that. I also don't need to do any research to tell you that it happens in Arizona because the state is simply not allowed to do something like this if what you are saying is true, and it would be a massive deal in the legal community. To put it another way, if what your friend and cop says is true, then this could see the Supreme Court. The Texas minimums are 3 days in jail, and I see people get 0 or 1 ALL THE TIME. I see it in GA also ALL THE TIME. It's the same principle. Arizona is obviously different, but not in the principle that someone with no priors often will get a suspended sentence, pro athlete or not.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

He'll probably want max too so we'll wait until next off season

I want a max too

[Revived]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

He'll probably want max too so we'll wait until next off season

It would be ideal to give him a contract similar to the one that the Raptors gave Patterson but I know he will probably want and get offered more.

[AtheJ415]

People keep talking about resigning Bledsoe, how come there has been no reported movements on extending Kieff?

He'll probably want max too so we'll wait until next off season

It would be ideal to give him a contract similar to the one that the Raptors gave Patterson but I know he will probably want and get offered more.

I think we may be better waiting until he hits RFA. There's some really good PF FAs next class.

[bigfoot]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/496773067264503808[/tweet]

Not sure where this douche gets his info.

[GOGI_4_MVP]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/496773067264503808[/tweet]

Not sure where this douche gets his info.

Just came to post the same tweet. Lol. Broussard strikes again with ignorant BS comments that he has no proof of.....no way EB signs the qualifying offer after what happened to Paul George.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/496773067264503808[/tweet]

Not sure where this douche gets his info.

Just came to post the same tweet. Lol. Broussard strikes again with ignorant BS comments that he has no proof of.....no way EB signs the qualifying offer after what happened to Paul George.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/496783554462756864[/tweet]

[GOGI_4_MVP]

Everyone at least excited about the new jerseys?

Is this a joke or is there new news on the whole ads on jerseys thing?? Although it's kinda ironic that NBA teams with some of the best athletes in the world would be advertising unhealthy fast food chains like Carl's Jr and Taco Bell.