The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[King4Day]

BUT, the original guy tweeted this receipt:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dkindy12/status/497226454740893696[/tweet]

That dude is gonna lose his job for sure.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

BUT, the original guy tweeted this receipt:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dkindy12/status/497226454740893696[/tweet]

Show me the rest of the receipt! Two Damn Salads. I eat at Ruth's ! Not too much convincing when an avg joe can eat there!

[Sunsdeuce]

I don't agree some here, that say we were winners this off season.
1) didn't upgrade the sf position. As a matter of fact we resigned a player that probably shouldn't have been resigned. Colangelo would have shipped tucker out so fast.
2) Ennis still isn't signed and there was better talent still on the board when he was picked.
3) lost a key starter (frye) while replacing him with (no other word but scrub) tolliver.
4) unsuccessfully used any assets to improve the team. Something that babby and Mcd bragged about doing before the draft.
5) the power forward position still isn't addressed.
6) Bledsoe situation is a mess.

These are subjective views on our off-season obviously, but here's my 2 cents on what you wrote.

1) You don't always upgrade every position every off-season. We maintained the spot by re-signing Tucker. I do think that adding Warren could possibly be an upgrade over Marcus, but we'll see because it's way too soon to make any decisions about rookies.
2) Hard to know anything with any certainty about this. I personally would have gone for Gary Harris, but we don't know that Ennis isn't the best PG in this draft. As I said above, it's too soon to tell.
3) Tolliver shot 41% from 3-point range last season. Frye shot 37%. There's a rather large drop off defensively though, and that's saying something.
4) We used cap space to improve the team. IT2 is a really huge signing for us. He had as good and even better numbers in some categories than Bledsoe last year. The off-season isn't over.
5) It's been addressed, though we haven't improved beyond the internal development of Markieff which we can't really know as of yet.
6) It is a mess, but there's a good chance Bledsoe is still here come Halloween.

Ok but would you say the suns were "winners" in the offseason?

My opinion is we came in for the test and passed but barely. Until something else happens my grade will still be a C-. As this team is currently constructed, 40-45 wins is realistic. I see a few wins fewer than last year and thats coach hornacek doing a great job with what he currently has. No way we top 48 wins "right now."




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[Sunsdeuce]

BUT, the original guy tweeted this receipt:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dkindy12/status/497226454740893696[/tweet]

That dude is gonna lose his job for sure.

Ain't that the truth. Nicely messing with peoples privacy.


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[letsgosuns]

That guy tweeting this stuff is such an invasion of privacy and one reason why I despise what the internet has done to our society. There is no privacy anywhere anymore. What a shame.

[King4Day]

BUT, the original guy tweeted this receipt:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dkindy12/status/497226454740893696[/tweet]

Show me the rest of the receipt! Two Damn Salads. I eat at Ruth's ! Not too much convincing when an avg joe can eat there!

Maybe that WAS the whole receipt...
Sarver: "I'll take the lettuce wedges and a Salad... Eric, we're not budging on our offer"
Bledsoe walks out.
Sarver: "that'll be all sir, check please"

[SunsFanSSOL]

Bledsoe just wanted free salad.

[jcsunsfan]

Looks to me like Eric is trying to force his way to the Lakers.

Howso? Any new news? If so, please send a link.

Just speculating. No substance.

[batsmasher]

I think we've just hit the rock bottom of off-season lol.

Will sources please confirm or deny the legitimacy of Sarver's Ceaser Salad.

[Zelaznyrules]

I don't agree some here, that say we were winners this off season.
1) didn't upgrade the sf position. As a matter of fact we resigned a player that probably shouldn't have been resigned. Colangelo would have shipped tucker out so fast.
2) Ennis still isn't signed and there was better talent still on the board when he was picked.
3) lost a key starter (frye) while replacing him with (no other word but scrub) tolliver.
4) unsuccessfully used any assets to improve the team. Something that babby and Mcd bragged about doing before the draft.
5) the power forward position still isn't addressed.
6) Bledsoe situation is a mess.

These are subjective views on our off-season obviously, but here's my 2 cents on what you wrote.

1) You don't always upgrade every position every off-season. We maintained the spot by re-signing Tucker. I do think that adding Warren could possibly be an upgrade over Marcus, but we'll see because it's way too soon to make any decisions about rookies.
2) Hard to know anything with any certainty about this. I personally would have gone for Gary Harris, but we don't know that Ennis isn't the best PG in this draft. As I said above, it's too soon to tell.
3) Tolliver shot 41% from 3-point range last season. Frye shot 37%. There's a rather large drop off defensively though, and that's saying something.
4) We used cap space to improve the team. IT2 is a really huge signing for us. He had as good and even better numbers in some categories than Bledsoe last year. The off-season isn't over.
5) It's been addressed, though we haven't improved beyond the internal development of Markieff which we can't really know as of yet.
6) It is a mess, but there's a good chance Bledsoe is still here come Halloween.

Ok but would you say the suns were "winners" in the offseason?

My opinion is we came in for the test and passed but barely. Until something else happens my grade will still be a C-. As this team is currently constructed, 40-45 wins is realistic. I see a few wins fewer than last year and thats coach hornacek doing a great job with what he currently has. No way we top 48 wins "right now."

I think, if you're one of the fans that was glad to see Frye leave, you should consider this a great offseason. Getting rid of a bad player and adding Thomas on a great contract plus selecting the guy many think might be the steal of the draft has to be an exceptional offseason. Especially since we kept our flexibility going forward, depending of course on the Bledsoe deal. But for myself, I'd say we deserve no more than a C for our offseason. I like Thomas and Warren but I'll be very concerned until they show me we didn't need to bring Frye back.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Coro tweeted that he was told Sarver was with Tucker.

[JTrain]

Oh so this guy's a racist?

[JTrain]

BUT, the original guy tweeted this receipt:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dkindy12/status/497226454740893696[/tweet]

Show me the rest of the receipt! Two Damn Salads. I eat at Ruth's ! Not too much convincing when an avg joe can eat there!

If it was Tucker the receipt wouldn't fit on a standard size photo.




















I'm sorry.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Lol at that BS Babby spilled about setting a culture when we released Beasley, then we go ahead and pamper Tucker like nothing happened. We just really hated Beasley.

[bwgood77]

Ok but would you say the suns were "winners" in the offseason?

My opinion is we came in for the test and passed but barely. Until something else happens my grade will still be a C-. As this team is currently constructed, 40-45 wins is realistic. I see a few wins fewer than last year and thats coach hornacek doing a great job with what he currently has. No way we top 48 wins "right now."

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Sure, it may not have been a huge win. Getting Love and having having Bledsoe re-signed would have been a huge win, but last offseason if you would have known we would be at 40-45 wins this year, that would have been impressive.

Hornacek did an amazing job with that team last year, and if we regress this year a bit, I hope people don't start blaming him which seems to be par for the course with some posters.

The west is tough. We started a rebuild last year and had an amazing season. If we sign Bledsoe, we might have a better season, but I wouldn't expect it as a given.

We added four guys in the draft, and one might be as good as anyone drafted except maybe Embiid if he is healthy, but Warren should be a very nice piece, Ennis should be a nice 4th pg if we keep him, or we may be able to trade him for a useful asset, whether it be now or the future.

Bogdanavic won't come over for a while, but he could be a great piece as well, and who knows about Alec Brown. He could turn into something. You never know.

I trust McD and the coaching staff. Even if we make the playoffs, a first year playoff team is likely to get eliminated in the first round, and even if that happens it can't be that big of a disappointment given where we were a year ago.

Plus, if we don't make the playoffs, there is a very good chance we have two valuable picks next year, especially if the draft lottery changes.

It's hard to be disappointed in where this team is, based on the players we have and where we were a year ago. We have a phenomenal coach and a great GM and that is the important thing for building a great team. If it takes a few years, so be it. I like where we are, especially considering where it looked like we would be last summer.

And again, Warren could be as good as any rookie, so getting a top pick perhaps wasn't that important.

I hate when fans raise their expectations so high when we overachieve that it is impossible for them to be happy in subsequent years. This happened with D'Antoni too. He did an amazing job with that 2004-05 team but then if we didn't win a championship people blamed him. He wasn't without his faults, especially when he refused to make big adjustments after a few years, but he had to deal with injuries. But that team outside of Nash didn't have serious playoff experience in his first year, and he led them to the best record in the league. That team was just not ready to win it all, and the next year we lost a very important player. And for those who think Nash carried him, he never would have become the player he did without D'Antoni and never was the same before or after, except when Gentry took over with D'Antoni's exact same offensive principles.

Hornacek elevated players as well. What if he had established players? The sky is the limit. Give this team some time. The west is so tough anyway to expect us to be able to advance to the 2nd round of the playoffs, or even make the playoffs, but I have extreme confidence we have a very bright future. Eight teams in the west, and probably more, have more talent than we do, but Hornacek can get the most out of players. Had he been coaching the group in New Orleans if healthy or Minnesota, there is no doubt in my mind they would have been the teams on the very cusp or making the playoffs.

It's extremely early to be whining about where this team is.

[JTrain]

My take on the off-season grade:

<38 wins: F
38-39: D-
40-41: D
42-43: D+
44-45: C-
46-47: C
48-49: C+
50-51: B-
52-53: B
54-55: B+
56-57: A-
58-59: A
60+: A+

I'll decide in May.

[RunDogGun]

Lol at that BS Babby spilled about setting a culture when we released Beasley, then we go ahead and pamper Tucker like nothing happened. We just really hated Beasley.

Wtf are you talking about? So buying a guy a meal at Ruth's is pampering (if they were even out to dinner ), but giving a guy $7 million to f*ck off constitutes hate?

[Scutt]

^ I think Sunsfan was alluding to the point that we gave Tucker a 16 million contract KNOWING that he had just gotten busted on a DUI AND now Sarver is taking him out to dinner, while we cut ties with Beasley completely. I don't think it was just the meal he is referring to as "pampering", but I could be wrong, just my guess...

[RunDogGun]

^ I think Sunsfan was alluding to the point that we gave Tucker a 16 million contract KNOWING that he had just gotten busted on a DUI AND now Sarver is taking him out to dinner, while we cut ties with Beasley completely. I don't think it was just the meal he is referring to as "pampering", but I could be wrong, just my guess...

Where are you getting that Sarver took Tucker to dinner? Man this is like a sewing circle up in here.

We gave Tucker that contract because that is what he earned. Beasley did not earn his contract. We got rid of almost all of the players that didn't produce. Tucker was/is a huge leader on the team, where Beasley was not.

People need to stop this cause and effect speculation. Any guesses that our new culture was actually about gaining players that were/are hungry to win?