Special Request

[LEIF]

Hey guys

Since today is the day it was pretty much confirmed Love is joining the Cavs with Lebron I thought about something.

I am floored by the lack of outrage, crying & moaning about another "Super team" being created. I am stunned that in 2010 the noise was so loud and this time around as the same type of team comes together the media types are not saying a single word that resembles that.

This thread is not meant to bash the Cavs, please do not speak negatively about them at all. It also is not meant to bitch and moan about the talent they are assembling, I think every team should aspire to create the greatest teams possible.

My special request is, can anybody who has better search engine skills than I, find some of what was written, quotes etc. that were said back in 2010 about how the Heat was so "bad for the league". I really would like to compare the media spin in 2010 versus today.

Thanks in advance.

[mh_3]

Here's a few articles:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5762 ... the-league

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... d-for-nba/

Benjamin Polk, A Wolf Among Wolves: Bad for the NBA.

Mostly bad, I think. To me, the past few years have been something of an NBA golden age, with lots of interesting, idiosyncratic teams playing really fun, competitive basketball. I worry that this heralds a return of the juggernauts and the drab inevitability that comes with it.

From here: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/stor ... t10-Heat-5

Even though most people said it was "good for the NBA" ^^^

[Wolfy1983]

You wanna know why there's a lack of outrage? Because no one outside of Cleveland believes they will win a title. The morons on GB can say all they want on how their big 3 is better than Miami's but they don't believe Cleveland is a threat to any of the top dogs in the West and if they match up against San Antonio in the finals, that beat down that occurred last June will seam like a slap in the wrist compared to the massacre that will take place next June. That team has no defense outside of skinny Lebron.

[daniel3]

You wanna know why there's a lack of outrage? Because no one outside of Cleveland believes they will win a title. The morons on GB can say all they want on how their big 3 is better than Miami's but they don't believe Cleveland is a threat to any of the top dogs in the West and if they match up against San Antonio in the finals, that beat down that occurred last June will seam like a slap in the wrist compared to the massacre that will take place next June. That team has no defense outside of skinny Lebron.

Pretty much is this. No one truly thinks they will be that much of a threat in comparison to past four years Heat team.

[Altered_Beast]

there is a lack of outrage because cleveland is a "hard working mid western town full of real americans that deserve a championship" while miami to most of the usa is a "spoiled, fair weather party town that didnt deserve lebron"

thats why there is no outrage. no one can convince me otherwise

[Wolfy1983]

there is a lack of outrage because cleveland is a "hard working mid western town full of real americans that deserve a championship" while miami to most of the usa is a "spoiled, fair weather party town that didnt deserve lebron"

thats why there is no outrage. no one can convince me otherwise

Where's the green font?

[Sign5]

Simple. LeBron was headed to come play with a top 3 player and a top 12 player, top 3 PF.

The thought of this guy:


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw4CG2kzG3I[/youtube]

This guy:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa2qVkjss9Y[/youtube]


and this guy, the team's THIRD best player:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYClcERLZc[/youtube]


Made everyone sht their pants, I mean wouldn't you if you were an opposing fan? Just a nightmare visual.

No one is saying 'they're done with the league', 'give the Heat the title now' 'it's not fair', 'I'm not watching the nba any more' because Cavs are still on the level of Thunder, Spurs and some what Bulls if Rose is healthy.

2010 Heat, it was a foregone conclusion that the Heat would steamroll their way to the title.

[Troubadour]

Few reasons:

1) Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love are polarizing in their own right.
No one really debated the value of Wade and Bosh. Wade was the best SG and Bosh was one of the top three power forwards. Irving and Love don't play defense and have never won anything. Wade had won a championship and Bosh had at least been to the playoffs.

2) LeBron's earned too much good will
People who love basketball love watching LeBron play. When he left Cleveland with his televised decision, he rubbed most people the wrong way. With his letter, he has earned enough good will to make people neglect the forming of a new super team.

3) How it was done vs. what was done
Yes, a new super team was formed, but the Cavs did it in a very different way. The Heat "stole" two of the best players in the league, one from his hometown team, and left them with nothing. The Cavs had enough cap space to facilitate LeBron's homecoming and won the Kevin Love sweepstakes. Minnesota was going to trade Kevin Love and had been openly shopping him for months. Cleveland had the best offer and got him on their team.

That's the big difference. LeBron and Bosh bolted in free agency to Miami. LeBron came home and had enough assets to trade for Kevin Love.

[HIF]

Few reasons:

That's the big difference. LeBron and Bosh bolted in free agency to Miami. LeBron came home and had enough assets to trade for Kevin Love.

Wade came home and had enough assets to bring Bron and Bosh.

Love and Bron bolted.

The story is in how you tell it. (not that you are passively trolling).

[SA37]

I'd like to believe it's because maybe people (or in this case, the media) are starting to realize that having the best players on a single team does not guarantee success. The US Olympic basketball teams in the last decade or so have shown this and Miami's last four seasons have also shown this. (Outside of basketball, look at a team like Real Madrid who has spent some 600€ million in the last 5 years or so and has not dominated Spanish football or European football.)

However, I imagine there are several factors in play here, namely 3 top free agents did not conspire to play for the same team; K. Irving was already in Cleveland, L. James clicked his heels three times and went home, and K. Love got dreamy eyes to go play with James in the weaker conference.

Also, I don't think people are expecting Cleveland to run over the league like people expected from Miami in '10. There was talk about Miami challenging the Bulls' 72-win season and, of course, the infamous, "Not one, not two..." stuff.

Finally, say what you want, but everything seems 'legit' for James' return to Cleveland. Cleveland created cap space, drafted K. Irving, they unexpectedly got two #1 picks in a row, and James is from there; with Miami...yeah, they created space, but...I think there was always this feeling Riley bent/broke the rules, but no one could prove it. I think there was some definite bending of the rules, if not a blatant breaking of them.

Even as a Heat fan, I have not been able to enjoy the last 4 years and James' stint in Miami always seemed as fabricated as a boy band from Orlando. The experience has made me wonder how people can be fans of teams like the Yankees or Real Madrid when they just buy up the best talent available.

[heat4life]

Even as a Heat fan, I have not been able to enjoy the last 4 years and James' stint in Miami always seemed as fabricated as a boy band from Orlando. The experience has made me wonder how people can be fans of teams like the Yankees or Real Madrid when they just buy up the best talent available.

So what are you saying...

[heat4life]

3) How it was done vs. what was done
Yes, a new super team was formed, but the Cavs did it in a very different way. The Heat "stole" two of the best players in the league, one from his hometown team, and left them with nothing. The Cavs had enough cap space to facilitate LeBron's homecoming and won the Kevin Love sweepstakes. Minnesota was going to trade Kevin Love and had been openly shopping him for months. Cleveland had the best offer and got him on their team.

That's the big difference. LeBron and Bosh bolted in free agency to Miami. LeBron came home and had enough assets to trade for Kevin Love.

I don't think Heat fans care much for Lebron leaving as much as THIS ^^^ way of thinking from everyone, everywhere.

People are making the move to Cleveland look as sacred as the Pope's blessing. Really?

*Nothing was planned by Lebron this time before it was announced? (Heat was accused of that)
*Lebron signing to Cleveland's cap space is different than him signing to Miami's cap space?
*Love manipulating a trade to Cleveland is more pure than Bosh waiting for free agency and choosing where to sign?
*Original Heat draftee Wade is tainted for being a top 3 player at the time while innocent Cleveland original Irving is a baby's smile?
*Cleveland having a "welcome home" party on Friday is more like a tea party and not the flamboyant pep-rally MIami had 4 years ago?

The only thing different that happened this time was a nicely revised letter vs a misunderstood/poorly produced TV show. Better PR basically. Other than that, same crap.

Sorry but there is a bias. I am from Miami and I have seen this before Lebron came to Miami and after. Miami has officially reached NY and LA "hate" status. The rest of the county loves to visit those places but hate on those cities and everything they do. I get it. Have it Cleveland, this might be the best you'll ever get.

[Wolfy1983]

It's amazing how many Cavs fans are now posting on GB. In the past I would see 1 or 2. Now it's like 5 or 6.

[HEYMANQueHoraEs]

It's amazing how many Cavs fans are now posting on GB. In the past I would see 1 or 2. Now it's like 5 or 6.

They all post on the GB because their board is dead

[LikeABosh]

There are a few differences.

The first is Kyrie is nowhere near the star player Wade was in 2010.

The second is this isn't being revealed all at once like it was with the Heat's big 3. The Cavs slowly brought in their stars. First they extended Kyrie, then they signed Lebron, and now they're trading for Love.

And the third difference, and probably the most important one, is that the Cavs are giving up a decent haul for Love in a trade. The simpletons in the NBA are more accepting of a superstar trade if it means that team is losing something valuable.

[heat4life]

There are a few differences.

The first is Kyrie is nowhere near the star player Wade was in 2010.

The second is this isn't being revealed all at once like it was with the Heat's big 3. The Cavs slowly brought in their stars. First they extended Kyrie, then they signed Lebron, and now they're trading for Love.

And the third difference, and probably the most important one, is that the Cavs are giving up a decent haul for Love in a trade. The simpletons in the NBA are more accepting of a superstar trade if it means that team is losing something valuable.

The differences are irrelevant when there are many more similarities in what transpired in 2010 and 2014. The bottom line is that even if Miami would have had similar circumstances as the ones you mention in your list above, we would still be scrutinized somehow. The bottom line is that Miami made a big coup in 2010 just like Cleveland did in 2014. Everything else is just justifying why people act the way they do. That is the nature of the beast, I get it but I will not play apologist for anyone.

[QUIZ]

Hey guys

Since today is the day it was pretty much confirmed Love is joining the Cavs with Lebron I thought about something.

I am floored by the lack of outrage, crying & moaning about another "Super team" being created. I am stunned that in 2010 the noise was so loud and this time around as the same type of team comes together the media types are not saying a single word that resembles that.

This thread is not meant to bash the Cavs, please do not speak negatively about them at all. It also is not meant to bitch and moan about the talent they are assembling, I think every team should aspire to create the greatest teams possible.

My special request is, can anybody who has better search engine skills than I, find some of what was written, quotes etc. that were said back in 2010 about how the Heat was so "bad for the league". I really would like to compare the media spin in 2010 versus today.

Thanks in advance.

While I agree with most of your post the Heat team in 2010 and the Cavs team now aren't the same type of super team. In 2010 Dwyane Wade and LeBron James were the 2 best players in the world. Comparing Kyrie to that is embarrassing. Now with that said I don't understand how LeBron left the Heat and somehow left all the hate here as well. I mean as an organization what did we do wrong that would create so many haters it was the decision of the players to come together in 2010 alas the mind of a hater will forever be a mystery.

[Troubadour]

Few reasons:

That's the big difference. LeBron and Bosh bolted in free agency to Miami. LeBron came home and had enough assets to trade for Kevin Love.

Wade came home and had enough assets to bring Bron and Bosh.

Love and Bron bolted.

The story is in how you tell it. (not that you are passively trolling).

Not trolling. The perception is different when it comes to extending a rookie contract and trading for a player that had been on the block for a year.

[SA37]

3) How it was done vs. what was done
Yes, a new super team was formed, but the Cavs did it in a very different way. The Heat "stole" two of the best players in the league, one from his hometown team, and left them with nothing. The Cavs had enough cap space to facilitate LeBron's homecoming and won the Kevin Love sweepstakes. Minnesota was going to trade Kevin Love and had been openly shopping him for months. Cleveland had the best offer and got him on their team.

That's the big difference. LeBron and Bosh bolted in free agency to Miami. LeBron came home and had enough assets to trade for Kevin Love.

I don't think Heat fans care much for Lebron leaving as much as THIS ^^^ way of thinking from everyone, everywhere.

People are making the move to Cleveland look as sacred as the Pope's blessing. Really?

*Nothing was planned by Lebron this time before it was announced? (Heat was accused of that)
*Lebron signing to Cleveland's cap space is different than him signing to Miami's cap space?
*Love manipulating a trade to Cleveland is more pure than Bosh waiting for free agency and choosing where to sign?
*Original Heat draftee Wade is tainted for being a top 3 player at the time while innocent Cleveland original Irving is a baby's smile?
*Cleveland having a "welcome home" party on Friday is more like a tea party and not the flamboyant pep-rally MIami had 4 years ago?

The only thing different that happened this time was a nicely revised letter vs a misunderstood/poorly produced TV show. Better PR basically. Other than that, same crap.

Sorry but there is a bias. I am from Miami and I have seen this before Lebron came to Miami and after. Miami has officially reached NY and LA "hate" status. The rest of the county loves to visit those places but hate on those cities and everything they do. I get it. Have it Cleveland, this might be the best you'll ever get.

In reference to Troubadour's post:

Miami didn't "steal" anything. Very few people expected Bosh to stay in Toronto and the media had spent years writing fantasy articles about LeBron landing in New York. The scenario that never got much press was Miami having room to sign Wade AND 2 more top FAs.

The biggest difference to me is that Free Agency 2010 was an event. It had been talked about for years leading up to it and teams were jockying for position by dumping contracts and only taking on salary until 2010. The outcome was not what the media wanted (they wanted him in New York) and Cleveland fans were irate, along with the millions fans of so many other teams who had invested all their hopes in LeBron signing with them, NBA fans assumed Miami was going to go NBA Jams on everyone and, thus, they became easy to hate.

Free Agency 2014 played out very differenty and there was very little anticipation for it, mainly because Miami was good and most people felt that IF LeBron opted out it was only to get a better deal with Miami. LeBron going back to Cleveland only started to even be considered feesible when Cleveland landed the #1 pick in the draft, but even then it was considered a long shot. Then once Miami got obliterated in the Finals and Wade had a bad series and people started saying....you know what? Maybe. When he actually signed with Cleveland, it got justified as opposed to vilified because the final piece to the puzzle wasn't added yet.

Just as I will always believe Riley was working behind the scenes and probably through Wade in 2010 (plenty of history of Riley "bending" the rules), I believe LeBron was well aware of what Cleveland had in mind and understood he was going to end up on another "super team." He has a history of leaving nothing to chance (just look at the contracts he has signed; all have had very opportune opt-out clauses), and this is no different. LeBron knew Wiggins was bait for Love before he signed, or do you think LeBron was going to wait and see if Wiggins could become the Pippen to his Jordan (and if Bennett could even resemble a rotation player)?

[kyphi]

Like the TWolves had any real say in the "won the Love sweepstakes".