Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[Sixerscan]

turner's agent didn't want him to be traded though. I think the rumors were just BS tbh

Agents have been known to lie from time to time themselves.

Who knows what really happened.

True. Although I think we can both agree that he would have gotten more money if he finished the season with us.

In retrospect yeah probably but that's only because he played like a giant turd with the Pacers. If he'd played well he probably would have made more because he did it on a good team so there would be more certainty. I assume at the time the Pacers traded for him both the Pacers and Turner thought he could play well.

[MountainDrew]

Agents have been known to lie from time to time themselves.

Who knows what really happened.

True. Although I think we can both agree that he would have gotten more money if he finished the season with us.

In retrospect yeah probably but that's only because he played like a giant turd with the Pacers. If he'd played well he probably would have made more because he did it on a good team so there would be more certainty. I assume at the time the Pacers traded for him both the Pacers and Turner thought he could play well.

He's been playing terribly throughout his career, last season's system only drove up his stats. Most of us here were aware of that, Pacers FO probably was as well. They still didn't give up much for him. Most likely some team like the lakers would have given more than the MLE in FA though. Anyway, its kind of a waste of time to discuss Turner at this point.

[ckchen]

No, they can deal him immediately, but only by himself. Technically, this wouldn't really be an issue. The Wolves could trade us Bennett in exchange for essentially nothing (cap space + Brandon Davies or someone else on an nonguaranteed deal). Then they could execute a separate trade for Thad Young for whatever salary cap filler they are trying to unload. It would technically be two transactions and could be executed immediately.

However, what this confirmation from Woj does tell us is that the Wolves are only getting a single draft pick from CLE. That makes it highly unlikely that anything else besides Bennett would be coming in a trade (if at all) - probably not any 1st round picks if MIN is only getting the one from CLE.

You may be right, but wtf is the point of that rule? It makes no sense to me, why only limit it to 1 player? Then again, the nba has a lot of weird rules that are outdated and haven't been removed/tweaked yet.

Players don't want to be traded multiple times in a year so this rule makes it harder but not impossible.

Exactly, this only works because we have the cap space to absorb Bennett in a solo deal. Most teams wouldn't be able to do so without the cap space the size of Bennett's contract or trade exception that could absorb it.

On a side-note I think read an article from Wolfson stating that MIN is trying to turn the 1st rounder around for Thad, not Bennett. He also mentioned that Shabazz + filler might be included.

Not sure why Hinkie would go for a Shabazz+protected CLE 2015 1st rounder+filler for Thad. Sounds like we'd be better off just holding onto Thad and not getting involved at all.

[42uptop]

You may be right, but wtf is the point of that rule? It makes no sense to me, why only limit it to 1 player? Then again, the nba has a lot of weird rules that are outdated and haven't been removed/tweaked yet.

Players don't want to be traded multiple times in a year so this rule makes it harder but not impossible.

Exactly, this only works because we have the cap space to absorb Bennett in a solo deal. Most teams wouldn't be able to do so without the cap space the size of Bennett's contract or trade exception that could absorb it.

On a side-note I think read an article from Wolfson stating that MIN is trying to turn the 1st rounder around for Thad, not Bennett. He also mentioned that Shabazz + filler might be included.

Not sure why Hinkie would go for a Shabazz+protected CLE 2015 1st rounder+filler for Thad. Sounds like we'd be better off just holding onto Thad and not getting involved at all.

Completely agree. Even as one of the few Shabazz believers, I only consider this trade if they include a decent draft pick along with him. If Minnesota wants us to pay for their salary dump AND take Thad from us, they better be willing to shell out 2-3 valuable assets of Hinkie's choice. Otherwise we don't need to be involved. There have to be better opportunities out there than this one

[Cru Thik]

Hinkie caught with his pants around his ankles again. Guess he doesn't walk on water after all shocking. Not the worst thing that could have happened. This team really needs Thad's leadership.

[bedjaw]

I was worried about this. I'm having ET deja vu all over again. Starting to think Hinkie puts too much value on our guys. I'm sure there have been some pretty decent deals for Thad over the past year or so, but Hinkie keeps waiting for the one HE wants. I really don't want to settle again like we did with ET. It would be interesting to see the deals Hinkie declined for ET and the ones for Thad. Maybe it's our fault for valuing our guys too high but I'm not convinced Hinkie isn't doing the same.

I think Hinkie plays this pretty well. As far as guaging value for our players. It's true we didn't get much in return for ET but his play in Indy and the subsequent contract with the C's shows he's not viewed as having much worth league wide. He's truly a bust. There wasn't alot of movement at the deadline so I assume teams just weren't willing to trade 1st rd picks so I don't fault Hinkie for holding on to Thad. Where I think he maybe falls short is assuming other teams value cap space more then over-paying players. Right or wrong I just don't think other teams value cap space as much as Hinkie does therefore they won't meet his demands for helping to facilitate trades. 28 of 30 NBA teams are trying to win games so they have little interest in unloading valuable assets to rid themselves of a bad contract.

[Eyeamok]

One thing we need to remember is this. Hinkie does not work in a vacuum. There are 29 other GM's that see what he is doing and, I would like to believe that at least 1/2 of them if not more, wish they had the mandate to tank, take on players with injuries, accumulate cap space and just sit and wait for the right deal to come along as their way to build a team. But as a rule they don't. But make no mistake a lot of these GM's are sharp men. Hinkie cannot just insert himself into any deal he wants and magically make it happen everyone is jockeying for position. Sometimes that could even mean an opposing GM leaks a story to the press saying that Hinkie is asking too much to get a deal done just to slow down his progress or saddle him with a rep of being a difficult guy to work a deal with. Haters are gonna hate. The NBA is a business and trades are not all done with a smile and everyone being happy, rumors are leaked, players are told they will not be traded (Wiggins) etc.

Hinkie has done a good job so far. But the better job you do the more of a target you get on your back especially in negotiations. And when you call people to make a deal, they may start to wonder. What does he see that I don't in this player. Or why does he want this player that I am ready to give up on!!!

I remember Dr. J said this about the Andrew Bynum trade.

teams always have to be wary when dealing with teams such as the Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics, who rarely get the short end of trades."When you talk to the Lakers, when you talk to the Celtics, when you talk to -- well, those two in particular -- the guy on the other end of the phone has his fingers crossed," Erving told The Philadelphia Inquirer. "So whatever he's telling you, he's not telling you the truth. He's working a deal for him. And what happened to us last year with getting damaged goods hopefully will only happen once. And that's the extent of that learning curve."

Now we are not the Lakers or Celtics but considering what we got for Jrue and what we got for Elfrid Payton, and the willingness to draft Embiid, Hinkie in a short span of time is gaining quite a reputation.
So don't be surprised if a lot of deal that this team is mentioned in fall apart, there is a target on Hinkie's back.

[bigdavid]

I believe Hinke doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger on these big deals. All he keeps worrying about is draft picks, Draft picks don't play, players do. We might wind up with 30million bucks and no winning players or a winning team.

Having been born in Philly and living nearby, Philly fans will not keep supporting a loosing team. If the fans stop coming all will be lost It will be hard to get fans back in the seats.

All the Hinkie lovers will find a way to explain his position, but I believe you need a combo of picks and trades to make a winner. The Spurs might be one of the few exceptions...

[MCtripDub]

Just watched draft day and I was thinking of Sam hinkie haha. For those who have seen it, the part where in Kevin Costner was like "I want my picks back, I want my future back." I instantaneously thought of the saric deal where in we basically drafted someone we could use to dangle (almost blackmail) in front of another team haha.

Anyway I'm sure hinkie has his reasons for not being involved in this deal. How funny would it be tho if it took this long for the love deal to be announced just coz hinkie was stalling everything, trying to get what he wanted for Thad?


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[Sixerscan]

True. Although I think we can both agree that he would have gotten more money if he finished the season with us.

In retrospect yeah probably but that's only because he played like a giant turd with the Pacers. If he'd played well he probably would have made more because he did it on a good team so there would be more certainty. I assume at the time the Pacers traded for him both the Pacers and Turner thought he could play well.

He's been playing terribly throughout his career, last season's system only drove up his stats. Most of us here were aware of that, Pacers FO probably was as well. They still didn't give up much for him. Most likely some team like the lakers would have given more than the MLE in FA though. Anyway, its kind of a waste of time to discuss Turner at this point.

Yeah I disagree. The league knew was awful, hence why no one wanted to trade for him. No front office is backwards enough anymore to think Turner's production last year with us was good. His only chance to get good money was to prove he could be a role player on a good team. Instead Rasual Butler beat him out for minutes.

But yeah, Turner is a done story.

[76ciology]

First off, I think they Wolves and the Sixers are still working on the deal, as per Jake Fischer. For now, what is concrete is the much obvious news of Wiggins for Love/Bennett deal.

I kind of agree with Eyeamok here where I think most GMs would give Hinkie a hard time giving what he want because they don't want to get Jrue'd in the deal.

[MountainDrew]

In retrospect yeah probably but that's only because he played like a giant turd with the Pacers. If he'd played well he probably would have made more because he did it on a good team so there would be more certainty. I assume at the time the Pacers traded for him both the Pacers and Turner thought he could play well.

He's been playing terribly throughout his career, last season's system only drove up his stats. Most of us here were aware of that, Pacers FO probably was as well. They still didn't give up much for him. Most likely some team like the lakers would have given more than the MLE in FA though. Anyway, its kind of a waste of time to discuss Turner at this point.

Yeah I disagree. The league knew was awful, hence why no one wanted to trade for him. No front office is backwards enough anymore to think Turner's production last year with us was good. His only chance to get good money was to prove he could be a role player on a good team. Instead Rasual Butler beat him out for minutes.

But yeah, Turner is a done story.

As I typed my respons I actually found myself disagreeing with myself as well haha. Although I wouldn't put it past some of the more poorly run franchises to sign him for more money than he got this offseason. Some of the people on here though he would get 6+ million. He got terribly exposed on the pacers. But yeah.

[ckchen]

I believe Hinke doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger on these big deals. All he keeps worrying about is draft picks, Draft picks don't play, players do. We might wind up with 30million bucks and no winning players or a winning team.

Having been born in Philly and living nearby, Philly fans will not keep supporting a loosing team. If the fans stop coming all will be lost It will be hard to get fans back in the seats.

All the Hinkie lovers will find a way to explain his position, but I believe you need a combo of picks and trades to make a winner. The Spurs might be one of the few exceptions...

This is a laughable post from an impatient fan. Hinkie doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger on a big deal? Are you serious?

[Mr Sixer]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

[ZarcMumoff]

Without Noel, we don't have a realistic offer, and I don't know that Hinkie or wolves would make that swap.

But seriously can't we do like a Cavs get Love, Sixers get Andy Wiggy, and the T'Wolves can fold cause no one gives a **** about Minnesota... fair?

The way the Cavs have treated this poor young canadian boy is a travesty. I'm about to call child protective services on Dan Gilbert. The bastard.

OOPS... I am issuing a formal apology to Mik317 re: Andrew Wiggins Love. I mistook you for having posted this PK5 beauty which got three and 1s from the Andrew Wiggins Peanut Gallery.

[Mik317]

not going to lie....but part of me is hoping the Bennett deal falls through...

not a fan lol

[ckchen]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

People are ignoring this possibility because CLE was given permission to talk to Love about a trade and contract extension and as part of this deal, they've already negotiated that Love would opt out and sign a 5 yr/$120M extension.

[76ersfan]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

I also don't think that is talked about enough. Love gets injured a lot as well which not many people have been talking about either.

[Stanford]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

Where could Love realistically sign that would give him a better situation than playing with LeBron?

[76ciology]

How big of a disaster will this trade go down as if Wiggins becomes an excellent player and Cavs don't quite put it together because of chemistry issues and Love bolts at the end of next year.

I feel like people are ignoring this possibility. This might be because the chances of Love leaving are pretty low even if they don't quite put it together next year because their team is so young, but still would be nice to see somebody give the Lebron treatment back to Lebron.

With regards to wiggins, right now it's all about intelligent guess. But FWIW, the analytic guys and LBJ aren't high on him. And with that said, it would be a safe bet that the Cavs most likely didn't end up passing a guy they would regret over Love.

Whats concerning for me is that I think the Cavs' big three should be surrounded by 2 way shooter/defender that are athletic and long enough to compensate for Love and Kyrie's deficiencies on defense. On paper right now, I can't see them being one of the best defensive teams in the league. And I don't know if their offense would be great enough to compensate for their defense and give them titles at cleveland.

For the Wolves, I think they got a great deal for Love given their scenario. They got 2 #1 overall picks, even though not potential superstars or franchise players, it's still a great value for a guy who will most likely walk from them in the offseason.

Should be a fun and interesting 2014-2015 season with the roster changes, the rookies and the guys who are comming back from injuries.