Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

[verbal8]

Am I the only one who thinks Flip did great in getting Young, Wiggins AND a pick for Kevin Love?

IDK - I think Saunders got the best package he could for a guy who wanted out of Minny. However, I thought he would have gone for a guy on his rookie deal (Bennett) over someone who could walk in a year when his contract is up (T. Young).

If that pick is the Miami pick, I think that is a great deal for Minny considering the circumstances. I agree that Bennett would make a lot more sense than Young. The upside with Bennett is a lot higher, but so is the risk.

One thing that illustrates how the deal is fairly favorable for Minnesota is none of the other trade packages mentioned would come anywhere close to being able to get Wiggins.

Klay + ? - maybe, but not when the ? includes David Lee and his contract
Butler/Gibson - nice players, but no way that gets you a highly touted number 1 pick
whatever Boston was offering - if it was good enough, they would have traded to get Wiggins
whatever the Knicks were offering - not sure it would have been enough to get Bennett(after a disaster season), never mind Wiggins

[closg00]

SAN ANTONIO — The San Antonio Spurs signed forward JaMychal Green on Wednesday.

Terms of the deal weren’t disclosed.

The 6-foot-8 Green averaged 7.8 points, 6.5 rebounds and 16.2 minutes in six games for the Spurs’ Summer League team in Las Vegas. Last season for Roanne in the French Pro A League, the former Alabama player averaged 11.8 points, 6.6 rebounds and 22.1 minutes in 25 games.

Green spent the 2012-13 season with the Austin Toros in the NBA Development League, averaging 12.3 points and 8.1 rebounds in 40 games.

Although the deal is only partially guaranteed, this is another successful "stash" project for the Spurs. Successful because they identified a player, hid him on their NBDL team, sent him overseas to play for a few years, and now signed him as cheap bench-filler. If Green surprises the Spurs can have him for two years at a bargain price.

[Ruzious]

SAN ANTONIO — The San Antonio Spurs signed forward JaMychal Green on Wednesday.

Terms of the deal weren’t disclosed.

The 6-foot-8 Green averaged 7.8 points, 6.5 rebounds and 16.2 minutes in six games for the Spurs’ Summer League team in Las Vegas. Last season for Roanne in the French Pro A League, the former Alabama player averaged 11.8 points, 6.6 rebounds and 22.1 minutes in 25 games.

Green spent the 2012-13 season with the Austin Toros in the NBA Development League, averaging 12.3 points and 8.1 rebounds in 40 games.

Although the deal is only partially guaranteed, this is another successful "stash" project for the Spurs. Successful because they identified a player, hid him on their NBDL team, sent him overseas to play for a few years, and now signed him as cheap bench-filler. If Green surprises the Spurs can have him for two years at a bargain price.

That's the Spurs being the Spurs. And looking at his stats, he started shooting 3's for the first time in his career last season - with the French team - and made 36%. That will help him enormously with his chances to get PT for the Spurs. He could be a nice backup PF for them.

[LyricalRico]

Am I the only one who thinks Flip did great in getting Young, Wiggins AND a pick for Kevin Love?

IDK - I think Saunders got the best package he could for a guy who wanted out of Minny. However, I thought he would have gone for a guy on his rookie deal (Bennett) over someone who could walk in a year when his contract is up (T. Young).

If that pick is the Miami pick, I think that is a great deal for Minny considering the circumstances. I agree that Bennett would make a lot more sense than Young. The upside with Bennett is a lot higher, but so is the risk.

One thing that illustrates how the deal is fairly favorable for Minnesota is none of the other trade packages mentioned would come anywhere close to being able to get Wiggins.

Did I miss where the Love-to-Cleveland deal became official?

[pancakes3]

IDK - I think Saunders got the best package he could for a guy who wanted out of Minny. However, I thought he would have gone for a guy on his rookie deal (Bennett) over someone who could walk in a year when his contract is up (T. Young).

If that pick is the Miami pick, I think that is a great deal for Minny considering the circumstances. I agree that Bennett would make a lot more sense than Young. The upside with Bennett is a lot higher, but so is the risk.

One thing that illustrates how the deal is fairly favorable for Minnesota is none of the other trade packages mentioned would come anywhere close to being able to get Wiggins.

Did I miss where the Love-to-Cleveland deal became official?

Not official-official but if it's good enough for Woj, it's good enough for me: https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/ ... 9916005376

[WallWithTheDime]

IDK - I think Saunders got the best package he could for a guy who wanted out of Minny. However, I thought he would have gone for a guy on his rookie deal (Bennett) over someone who could walk in a year when his contract is up (T. Young).

If that pick is the Miami pick, I think that is a great deal for Minny considering the circumstances. I agree that Bennett would make a lot more sense than Young. The upside with Bennett is a lot higher, but so is the risk.

One thing that illustrates how the deal is fairly favorable for Minnesota is none of the other trade packages mentioned would come anywhere close to being able to get Wiggins.

Did I miss where the Love-to-Cleveland deal became official?

This trade is so messed up, this is so unfair to the NBA, minny gets a bust, and a player who hasn't touched foot in an official NBA game. Who knows if Wiggins will be good 2-4 years from now. This is messed up. Wow GM LeBron is great. LeBron needs a big 3 and he got it. But if you look at the bench , its terrible, and their frontcourt is garbage, PF/C. YOu have Brendan Haywood off the bench HAHAAHHA, only 2 C on team Is haywood and varejao
4 SF who are all garbage off the bench Mike Miller, James Jones, Malcolm Thomas, Joe Harris, Point guard bench, Delladova, John Lucas III , Backup pf Erik Murphy, and you trade your backup SG and now you have Dion Waiters and that's it, way to go. This is heat 2.0 with a worse bench. Good luck beating a team with depth LeBron you are going to need it. Also have fun playing extended minutes and carrying the team

[LyricalRico]

This makes Shawn Marion supposedly "leaning" towards Cleveland all the more curious. First, the Cavs can only offer minimum salary deals at this point. Second, he'd be a backup to 2 All-Stars manning both forward spots, so the minutes wouldn't be huge. And even in small-balls sets, I would assume that LeBron is the one that moves to PF so that guys like Miller/Jones get time on the wings for open shots.

I gotta think Marion goes somewhere else. At least wait to see if Indy gets an injury exception for Paul George, a place where he'd start.

[stevemcqueen1]

So Minny gets Wiggins + Bennett + Pick.

Then there is talk about them turning around and dealing Bennett and Kevin Martin's deal for Thaddeus Young.

That's getting Young for a pair of lemons. But I don't know that Young is the right fit either. IMO, they need a long, athletic big man that's a true defensive minded presence. Maybe they already have it in Gorgui Dieng. But if I were them, I would try and go after John Henson or Larry Sanders. That feels like the right kind of player to stick with Pekovic. Then suddenly you've got a great foundation for defense in place between that guy, Rubio, and Wiggin's defensive potential.

But damn, Minny is going to have Wiggins, LeVine, and GRIII next season. Them's some athuhletes. With Rubio throwing them the ball. That team is going to be extremely entertaining. LeVine + Wiggins = most athletic pure wing tandem since TMac and Vince IMO.

AND I think they can win with that core + Pekovic & defensive big. Probably not next season, but they're going to outperform people's expectations. And their future looks good.

I just hope Cleveland crashes and burns. It's a testament to how **** broken the lottery system is that for four straight years, Cleveland can make stupid hire/draft pick/trade/signing after stupid hire/draft pick/trade/signing and luck into an all star team of LeBron, Irving, and Love.

[pcbothwel]

Really Dangerous Team...But I still think people underestimate the effect of Chris Bosh being the best PnR defender in the league. That combined with Lebrons weight loss is really going to effect the interior D. Irving, Waiters, and Love are bad Defenders and I dont think Varajao will stay healthy enough to compensate. This team still has deep flaws if Thompson doesn't make huge strides.

[Higga]

It's a good trade for both teams. For Cleveland you gotta take a shot at a ring when you have it and worry about next year, next year. Minnesota gets two #1 overall picks which is about as much as you could ask for.

[Kanyewest]

This makes Shawn Marion supposedly "leaning" towards Cleveland all the more curious. First, the Cavs can only offer minimum salary deals at this point. Second, he'd be a backup to 2 All-Stars manning both forward spots, so the minutes wouldn't be huge. And even in small-balls sets, I would assume that LeBron is the one that moves to PF so that guys like Miller/Jones get time on the wings for open shots.

I gotta think Marion goes somewhere else. At least wait to see if Indy gets an injury exception for Paul George, a place where he'd start.

Never doubt the Woj.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/497188617593188353[/tweet]

[dckingsfan]

But if I were them, I would try and go after John Henson or Larry Sanders... That feels like the right kind of player to stick with Pekovic. Then suddenly you've got a great foundation for defense in place between that guy, Rubio, and Wiggin's defensive potential.

...AND I think they can win with that core + Pekovic & defensive big.

Agreed, because this = yuck. Specifically they need a shot blocking PF if they are going to stick with Pekovic at C, Bennett/Mbah a Moute/Hummel doesn't do it for them.

Rubio/Barea/Williams
Wiggins/Martin/Shved/LaVine
Brewer/Budinger/Muhammad
Bennett/Mbah a Moute/Hummel
Pekovic/Dieng/Turiaf

[verbal8]

This makes Shawn Marion supposedly "leaning" towards Cleveland all the more curious. First, the Cavs can only offer minimum salary deals at this point. Second, he'd be a backup to 2 All-Stars manning both forward spots, so the minutes wouldn't be huge. And even in small-balls sets, I would assume that LeBron is the one that moves to PF so that guys like Miller/Jones get time on the wings for open shots.

I gotta think Marion goes somewhere else. At least wait to see if Indy gets an injury exception for Paul George, a place where he'd start.

They do seem to have a bit of a logjam at PF. B-R has Love as having played a significant amount of Center, so I think a fair amount of a LeBron-Marion-Love front-court is likely.

Also I think LeBron probably would prefer to play fewer regular season minutes, so that frees up some minutes for Marion.

One advantage for the Cavs is they are still a good team with an injury to any one except LeBron. For Indy(even adding Marion), an injury to one good player and they start to look like the Cavs last year.

[verbal8]

So the Basketball Player formerly know as Ron Artest is now changing his name to "Panda Friend".

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... nda-Friend

[closg00]

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves have reached agreement on a Kevin Love trade.

The Wolves will receive Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a protected 2015 first round pick from the Cavaliers, according to sources.

The Cavaliers are making the deal with a firm agreement with Love that he will opt out of his contract in 2015 and re-sign on a five-year, $120 million-plus contract next summer.

The deal cannot become official until Aug. 23 when Wiggins can become eligible for a trade.

The Cavaliers were motivated to make the trade for Love in part because of a fear he would end up with the Chicago Bulls, sources said.

The Wolves had hoped to unload burdensome contracts as part of the trade, but the Cavaliers were able to avoid doing so due to the strength of acquiring two former number one overall picks.

The Woj has spoken.

Flip spent too-much time with Ernie Grunfeld, he was not able to unload a single bad contract on the Cavs and the 1st Round pick is protected.

[montestewart]

So the Basketball Player formerly know as Ron Artest is now changing his name to "Panda Friend".

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... nda-Friend

It's not yet clear if he is a panda and friend or a friend of a panda. More to come.

[verbal8]

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Minnesota Timberwolves have reached agreement on a Kevin Love trade.

The Wolves will receive Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a protected 2015 first round pick from the Cavaliers, according to sources.

The Cavaliers are making the deal with a firm agreement with Love that he will opt out of his contract in 2015 and re-sign on a five-year, $120 million-plus contract next summer.

The deal cannot become official until Aug. 23 when Wiggins can become eligible for a trade.

The Cavaliers were motivated to make the trade for Love in part because of a fear he would end up with the Chicago Bulls, sources said.

The Wolves had hoped to unload burdensome contracts as part of the trade, but the Cavaliers were able to avoid doing so due to the strength of acquiring two former number one overall picks.

The Woj has spoken.

Flip spent too-much time with Ernie Grunfeld, he was not able to unload a single bad contract on the Cavs and the 1st Round pick is protected.

Compared to a very real possibility of losing Love for nothing after the season via free agency, I think Flip didn't do too badly. I can't think many trades where the team giving up the Super Star "won" the trade, but getting a prospect like Wiggins is a pretty good return.

I think whether this deal is a good one for the Wolves or the best option in a bad situation will come down to what happens with Bennett. It is pretty clear he shouldn't have been the 1st pick, but if he justifies being an early lotto pick(admittedly in a weak draft), the Wolves should have some young talent to rebuild around.

[LyricalRico]

Minny now apparently getting Thad Young, with Bennett going to Philly. Still doesn't solve the Wolves PF problem, but gives the Sixers 3 lotto picks from last years draft.

[Ruzious]

Minny now apparently getting Thad Young, with Bennett going to Philly. Still doesn't solve the Wolves PF problem, but gives the Sixers 3 lotto picks from last years draft.

That appears to be part of Philly's accumulate "talent " mode. The question is - will they ever get to the put together a team mod?

[verbal8]

I am not liking a potential Bennett/Young swap, but apparently the pick is the Miami pick.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... er=ya5nbcs