The Trade Thread - v2

[The Penguin]

Hey Guys!

So it’s looking like Monroe wants out... But I would love to see him in Green (reuniting with his GTown brotha Green even). Let’s make a deal!

Pick a package:
Rondo and Non-guaranteed guys like Bogans, Babb, Chris Johnson
For Monroe, a crap contract of your choice (this would be if you go with Bogans 5M) and a 1st rounder

OR

Sully/KO, Bogans, GWall and our Clippers 2015 1st round pick
For Monroe

OR

Bass, Bogans, and any/all sub 1M non-guaranteed and the Clips pick
For Monroe

OR
Green and Bass
For Monroe and say Dinwiddie

OR
Ideas you come up with, I’m flexible just keep Smart and Young out of it because I’ll say no thanks. Literally anyone else I’m cool with, even picks we’ve acquired from other teams!

Rondo / Jeff Green / Faverani

for

Monroe / Jennings / Datome / Mitchell


You guys get Monroe as your young center to build around without giving up any of your cache of picks or touching any of Smart/KO/Sully/Young. You have to take back Jennings, but that doesn't change your cap outlook at all and perhaps you can rehab him to turn him into something useful for your rebuild.


Pistons balance out the roster and look like a legitimate East playoff team with:

Rondo / Augustin / Bynum / Dinwiddie
Meeks / KCP
Green / Butler / Singler / Martin
Smith / Jerebko
Drummond / Faverani / Gray

[MotownMadness]

Hey Guys!

So it’s looking like Monroe wants out... But I would love to see him in Green (reuniting with his GTown brotha Green even). Let’s make a deal!

Pick a package:
Rondo and Non-guaranteed guys like Bogans, Babb, Chris Johnson
For Monroe, a crap contract of your choice (this would be if you go with Bogans 5M) and a 1st rounder

OR

Sully/KO, Bogans, GWall and our Clippers 2015 1st round pick
For Monroe

OR

Bass, Bogans, and any/all sub 1M non-guaranteed and the Clips pick
For Monroe

OR
Green and Bass
For Monroe and say Dinwiddie

OR
Ideas you come up with, I’m flexible just keep Smart and Young out of it because I’ll say no thanks. Literally anyone else I’m cool with, even picks we’ve acquired from other teams!

Those are terrible deals, Were not taking back any bad contracts or giving up picks in a Monroe deal. I would do Monroe and Singler for Young, KO and Bass

[coordinator0]

Boston doesn't have good enough prospects/guys that fit for Detroit. A third team would have to be involved that likes what the Celtics are offering enough to send the Pistons some of their decent young players. Olynyk is probably the only guy Boston has that Detroit might want and that's realistically on the table for Monroe (I don't think Smart or Young are). Sullinger is probably a worse compliment for Drummond than Smith is. Any picks the Celtics are willing to trade are probably looking like they will be late in the first round like the ones from Los Angeles and Cleveland. Philly's pick is lottery protected for 2015 (and they will surely land there) and after that it turns into a 2015 and 2016 second round picks. Brooklyn's in 2016 and 2018 are probably the most intriguing.

The vets Boston can offer aren't too appealing either. Green is a popular name thrown around but I think people believe he's a better perimeter scorer than he actually is. He's not a terrible fit but nothing the Pistons should be aspiring to achieve. Rondo doesn't make a ton of sense either if Van Gundy is building his offense in the mold it looks like he is doing. Keeping him, Smith, and Drummond as three main cogs to a team would fail. There's the argument that Smith isn't a long-term part of the plans in Detroit, and I agree with that, but if Rondo re-signs because of his friendship with Smith and then the latter gets traded somewhat soon after that then the Pistons will be dealing with a disgruntled Rondo. Bradley doesn't really make sense for Detroit. Everybody else the Celtics have would just be salary filler. And no, Gerald Wallace doesn't count as such since his deal isn't expiring. It's a negative asset coming back that the Pistons wouldn't take when trading Monroe.

I won't say a deal with Monroe going to Boston will never happen but it's going to take a lot of help from another team (or two) in my opinion.

[KJandHondo35]

Rondo / Jeff Green / Faverani

for

Monroe / Jennings / Datome / Mitchell


You guys get Monroe as your young center to build around without giving up any of your cache of picks or touching any of Smart/KO/Sully/Young. You have to take back Jennings, but that doesn't change your cap outlook at all and perhaps you can rehab him to turn him into something useful for your rebuild.


Pistons balance out the roster and look like a legitimate East playoff team with:

Rondo / Augustin / Bynum / Dinwiddie
Meeks / KCP
Green / Butler / Singler / Martin
Smith / Jerebko
Drummond / Faverani / Gray

That’s close, really thought it over. But I would just say I gotta get more than Monroe and Brandon-Always-heating-up Jennings for 2 legit starters in Green and Rondo... So like Dinwiddie and/or your 2015 1st is kind of required. Like yeah maybe Stevens can work some mojo and rehab Jennings but he's just such an efficiency nightmare as of today. Really close tho, defiantly not completely against taking Jennings, but with Green and Rondo more is needed.

But if insistent on trading Brandon, how does a Brandon-Swap sound?
So like;
Rondo, Brandon Bass-fish, Faverani
For Monroe, Jennings, Mitchell

Not to shabby eh?

[KJandHondo35]

Those are terrible deals, Were not taking back any bad contracts or giving up picks in a Monroe deal. I would do Monroe and Singler for Young, KO and Bass

Well hows abouts Green, KO, and Bass... That's pretty good
And we take back Monroe and Jerebko?

[The Penguin]

Rondo / Jeff Green / Faverani

for

Monroe / Jennings / Datome / Mitchell


You guys get Monroe as your young center to build around without giving up any of your cache of picks or touching any of Smart/KO/Sully/Young. You have to take back Jennings, but that doesn't change your cap outlook at all and perhaps you can rehab him to turn him into something useful for your rebuild.


Pistons balance out the roster and look like a legitimate East playoff team with:

Rondo / Augustin / Bynum / Dinwiddie
Meeks / KCP
Green / Butler / Singler / Martin
Smith / Jerebko
Drummond / Faverani / Gray

That’s close, really thought it over. But I would just say I gotta get more than Monroe and Brandon-Always-heating-up Jennings for 2 legit starters in Green and Rondo... So like Dinwiddie and/or your 2015 1st is kind of required. Like yeah maybe Stevens can work some mojo and rehab Jennings but he's just such an efficiency nightmare as of today. Really close tho, defiantly not completely against taking Jennings, but with Green and Rondo more is needed.

But if insistent on trading Brandon, how does a Brandon-Swap sound?
So like;
Rondo, Brandon Bass-fish, Faverani
For Monroe, Jennings, Mitchell

Not to shabby eh?

No. We aren't giving away our 2015 1st unless it's for a no brainer deal, we are still too far away from a sure thing to risk giving up another lotto pick.

The way I see it, the Celtics are in major rebuild mode, especially now that they aren't getting Love. Which likely means Rondo isn't sticking around past this season. Monroe for Rondo is a near equal value swap, considering Monroe's age, Rondo's recent injury history and Rondo's ability to be a free agent in the summer. Green is likely another case of a guy who isn't going to be around when you get good again, Jennings saves you money vs Green, saves us from a potential rotation nightmare and like I mentioned, gives you a rehab project/allows you to not have to put everything on Smart's plate right away. Faverani gives us the backup big we would need and Datome/Mitchell give you some more young lottery tickets.


You are getting a young center who can be a cornerstone for you moving forward. The Pistons solve the contract headache and become a likely sure playoff team.

[KJandHondo35]

^ so what about just Dinwiddie and you keep the 1st.

Or the Brandon swap-a-roo, heck take the Cavs pick too.

[EDIT] unintentional rhyming

[The Penguin]

^ so what about just Dinwiddie and you keep the 1st.

Or the Brandon swap-a-roo, heck take the Cavs pick too.

[EDIT] unintentional rhyming

No.

Just like you don't want to move Smart or Young, we don't want to move KCP, Dinwiddie or our '15 1st.


If you'd rather do:

Rondo / Green / Bass

for

Monroe / Jennings / Datome / Mitchell

I'd do that. That saves you a decent amount of money this year ($4-5 mil) and gets you Monroe without giving up any long term assets for guys who likely aren't in your long term plans. Perhaps I'd include a pick swap with our pick and the Clippers pick, provided our pick would be lottery/top 15 protected.

[Phenomenonsense]

We can't trade a 2015 first rounder (without acquiring another first from another team) since we lost our pick this year and no team may go two years without having a first.

That being said, I would want a deal centered around: Monroe for Green and Olynyk. I don't care about Rondo, if he wants to be here we can sign him next year. Getting Jose in a trade certainly didn't help us any. I would also be open to any suggestions that add jennings to the deal.

[KJandHondo35]

^ so what about just Dinwiddie and you keep the 1st.

Or the Brandon swap-a-roo, heck take the Cavs pick too.

[EDIT] unintentional rhyming

No.

Just like you don't want to move Smart or Young, we don't want to move KCP, Dinwiddie or our '15 1st.


If you'd rather do:

Rondo / Green / Bass

for

Monroe / Jennings / Datome / Mitchell

I'd do that. That saves you a decent amount of money this year ($4-5 mil) and gets you Monroe without giving up any long term assets for guys who likely aren't in your long term plans. Perhaps I'd include a pick swap with our pick and the Clippers pick, provided our pick would be lottery/top 15 protected.

Is Datome non-guaranteed?
If yes, you can take Fav too.

But fo reals, even like your 2016/17 is off the table?

[EDIT] Clippers pick swap, top 15 protected would probably get it done, plus you can still have Fav.

[tmorgan]

As a UK grad for graduate school, I actually kinda like Rondo, but he's a horrid fit for this team. There's only so many non-shooters you can handle, and Rondo-Smith-Drummond is a paint-packing nightmare, even with good shooters at the 2 and 3.

I'm on board for KO + Green for Monroe, though. Those guys have warts, but Monroe's salary demands are borderline insane and he's killing his own value in trade.

[kf96]

I think that best trade is Monroe for Olynyk, Green and LAC '15 1st rd pick

[KJandHondo35]

I think that best trade is Monroe for Olynyk, Green and LAC '15 1st rd pick

I agree that's fair and possible.

I'm on my phone or else I would and 1 the last 2 posts.

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[tmorgan]

Fine with me. You're going to have to pay him, though... maybe he'll take a little less to get the hell away from Josh Smith, but he still isn't signing cheap.

[The Penguin]

We can't trade a 2015 first rounder (without acquiring another first from another team) since we lost our pick this year and no team may go two years without having a first.

That being said, I would want a deal centered around: Monroe for Green and Olynyk. I don't care about Rondo, if he wants to be here we can sign him next year. Getting Jose in a trade certainly didn't help us any. I would also be open to any suggestions that add jennings to the deal.

Yes, we can trade the '15 1st. New Orleans traded their '13, '14 & '15 1sts for Jrue Holiday and Asik.

[KJandHondo35]

Fine with me. You're going to have to pay him, though... maybe he'll take a little less to get the hell away from Josh Smith, but he still isn't signing cheap.

I'm okay with the max, as a 5 he's a top 5 offensive player, prolly average (Big Al/Boogie) d, young at 24.


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[jakebernat]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nunzqjv

DET OUT: josh smith, tony mitchell
DET IN: ryan anderson, luc richard mbah a moute, alexey shved

MIN OUT: mbah a moute, shved, kevin martin, corey brewer, j.j. barea
MIN IN: eric gordon, josh smith, tony mitchell

NO OUT: eric gordon, ryan anderson
NO IN: kevin martin, corey brewer, j.j. barea

detroit gets their stretch 4 in ryan anderson to compliment dre and SVG's offense. mbah a moute is a stifling defensive specialist that can cover a multitude of positions. he'd be a very good fit next to monroe as a defensive PF, and i'm sure he could play some SF as long as the floor is spaced. in a division that includes lebron james, kevin love, jabari parker, and, well, the bulls, we'll need all the defensive brutes we can get. we can just buy out shved since he has no place on the roster.

minnesota gets to start their inevitable rebuild, but it certainly won't be from the ground up. in fact, flip saunders has even said that he prefers to put a winning product on the floor rather than starting from scratch, so this deal would make a lot of sense for them. they get to move all of their spare parts and ill-fitting players and turn them into a pair of dynamic players. in essence, they'd be using this opportunity to "take advantage" of two teams' financial situations as both detroit and NO are looking to move smith and gordon, respectively. a lineup of rubio, gordon, wiggins, smith, and pek would be a very interesting team to watch in the west.

new orleans finally gets rid of gordon, letting tyreke evans take over the starting SG spot. kevin martin becomes the de facto 6th man, a role he should/would embrace, and they also add a quality defensive SF in brewer to plug into their starting lineup, even further bolstering their already impressive defensive frontcourt. barea also gives them a quality backup for holiday and would allow the pelicans to play jrue extended minutes off the ball if they chose to.

i like it, but then again, i've never posted a trade i didn't like lmao. what do you guys think?

[Phenomenonsense]

We can't trade a 2015 first rounder (without acquiring another first from another team) since we lost our pick this year and no team may go two years without having a first.

That being said, I would want a deal centered around: Monroe for Green and Olynyk. I don't care about Rondo, if he wants to be here we can sign him next year. Getting Jose in a trade certainly didn't help us any. I would also be open to any suggestions that add jennings to the deal.

Yes, we can trade the '15 1st. New Orleans traded their '13, '14 & '15 1sts for Jrue Holiday and Asik.

No they didn't.

Edited for rudeness.

[MotownMadness]

I think we can trade this years 1st now that Charlotte has officially gotten theyre pick. My thinking is you cant have back to back picks traded out at one time. Like we couldnt trade our 15 and 16 pick right now, It would have to be 15 and 17 but now that we dont owe out any picks we should be free and clear to trade this years.

[epheisey]

We can't trade a 2015 first rounder (without acquiring another first from another team) since we lost our pick this year and no team may go two years without having a first.

That being said, I would want a deal centered around: Monroe for Green and Olynyk. I don't care about Rondo, if he wants to be here we can sign him next year. Getting Jose in a trade certainly didn't help us any. I would also be open to any suggestions that add jennings to the deal.

Yes, we can trade the '15 1st. New Orleans traded their '13, '14 & '15 1sts for Jrue Holiday and Asik.

Just know that you're incredibly stupid.

New Orleans did in fact trade 3 straight 1st rd picks. The '13 pick was actually Noel, because it was traded after NO had his rights, but they gave up their '14 1st and Noel for Holiday, and then traded their '15 pick for Asik.

Nice to see this board is friendly though......

If there is a rule requiring a team to have at least one first round pick in over the span of two years, maybe New Orleans holds the rights to another team's pick from a trade. That would also be an option for the Pistons then, to acquire a late first round pick in whatever deal they would be sending their 1st out.