Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[BIRDMAN JR]

So does Anthony Bennett have the potential to b our starting 3 for years to come or is he a 6th man type backup 3 or 4? I hope everything clicks with him

[BoomBap]

I think he will be a good player from the bench.

[ckchen]

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

If that is the case then one of these protected 2nd round pick scenarios can cover it. They trade a pick protected against the first 55 picks and it is extinguished if it isn't used.

That part is easy.


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I would think that worst comes to worst, they can just include an actual player with an nonguaranteed contract on the other side of the Bennett deal, as they have said that the NBA is trying to prevent teams from making these type of "Top 55" protected 2nd round pick type of trades. Make it Brandon Davies for Bennett and be done with it. Not sure how they could legitimately stop that.

[BobThornton]

From the main board:

jpatrick

At least one Minny reporter has previously said that Flip views Bennett as "trade filler" and not a real asset. That narrative changed yesterday when basically all MN reporters said that Bennett is staying. My guess is that Flip really wants Young, still thinks he can make the playoffs, but Hinkie was asking for the moon, so the leaks yesterday that this was only going to be a two-team trade with Clev were designed to get Hinkie to come down a little, basically saying we don't need you to make the deal

[Gsraider]

Make it Brandon Davies for Bennett and be done with it. Not sure how they could legitimately stop that.

Any deal that involves elimination of the thread of Davies being on the 76ers roster next year, I'm all in for.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

So does Anthony Bennett have the potential to b our starting 3 for years to come or is he a 6th man type backup 3 or 4? I hope everything clicks with him

I think he can be a legit starter, but IF he pans out and finds his game, Bennett, Noel, and Embiid is a HELL of a trio in the frontcourt for years to come.

[Slacktard]

Does Cleveland hate Hinkie so much they don't want to makea 3-way trade or something?

[BIRDMAN JR]

So does Anthony Bennett have the potential to b our starting 3 for years to come or is he a 6th man type backup 3 or 4? I hope everything clicks with him

I think he can be a legit starter, but IF he pans out and finds his game, Bennett, Noel, and Embiid is a HELL of a trio in the frontcourt for years to come.

yes that's what I think, and then with mcw getting better if we draft a scoring wing to go with them 4, we will b looking great

[WVU]

Pick and pop game with MCW and Bennett would be oh so nice

[MNRunLeft]

MN probably prefers two seperate deals over a 3 way as it would require the 76ers take back some kind of salary in addition to Bennett that wouldn't be required in a 3 team trade. Not that this couldn't still be accomplished in a 3 team deal but Wolves gain a little leverage if it becomes seperate deals imo. Flip still may be angling to move one or more of Budinger, Barea, LRMM, Shved or Martin along with Bennett for Thad.

[Gsraider]

If the intent is to eventually try to play Embid, Noel and Bennett together, then I guess AB has to play the SF spot, but I'm not sure he could or would even try to guard most SF's from what I have seen. This year, I could see as one of experimentation for Philly, allowing the now 240 lb. AB to play some at SF and some at PF. Personally, I think he's more of a stretch 4 than a SF, but who knows what Brown has in mind? When Embid returns, he could also be a potential 6th man to pack some punch into the 2nd unit.

While I'm not even remotely comparing their games, MIL has similar issues with a very similarly sized and defensively challenged player in J. Parker.

[Gsraider]

MN probably prefers two seperate deals over a 3 way as it would require the 76ers take back some kind of salary in addition to Bennett that wouldn't be required in a 3 team trade. Not that this couldn't still be accomplished in a 3 team deal but Wolves gain a little leverage if it becomes seperate deals imo. Flip still may be angling to move one or more of Budinger, Barea, LRMM, Shved or Martin along with Bennett for Thad.

While this could be true, if there is even a hint of league intervention, it's not worth it. If Philly has to take back some salary to make it work, just get it done as part of the Love deal.

[sixers hoops]

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

I've never heard this. Trying to think of a counter-example.

[bedjaw]

So does Anthony Bennett have the potential to b our starting 3 for years to come or is he a 6th man type backup 3 or 4? I hope everything clicks with him

Way to early to put any label on him or limit his potential. He's a 6' 8" F who can shoot, put the ball on the floor and rebound. He's also above average athleticially. His potential is through the roof--franchise caliber talent. However with what he showed last year his floor is Kwame Brown. He's got all the talent in the world but it will be up to him.

[NBD23]

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

It works under the rules of the CBA as a 3-team trade.

Minnesota Receives: Andrew Wiggins, Thaddeus Young, 2015 Miami 1st round pick
Cleveland Receives: Kevin Love
Philadelphia Receives: Anthony Bennett

I, for some reason, have a hard time believing the Sixers arent getting something else in this deal however. Just cant see HInkie trading Thad Young straight up for Bennett without atleast getting some sort of pick(which may need us to take on some salary).

If the Sixers DO take Bennett for Thad straight up, we would have another $4 million in cap space to add to our already infinite amount. Dont know what the point of that would be.

It doesnt work under the CBA. For a 3 team trade every team needs to either give up or get two assets. Assets are 750k in cash, picks, rights to a pick that will reasonably come over, or current players. Basically a team needs to have at least one asset going out and one asset coming in but either in or out must include two assets.

This does not mean teams have to send and receive something to all parties in the deal. It is still OK for a team C to receive a player from team A and cash from team B, sending only a draft pick to team A. However, the higher minimum thresholds of consideration given in section B necessitate more impactful assets being dealt in these trades in the future. And in particular, the much larger amount of cash makes it more difficult for multi-player trades to merely use nominal amounts of cash in the future. You can still trade only $75,000 to a team in a multi-player trade if you want, but the other two things they are giving and/or receiving are going to have to be more toothy to make up for it.

Atleast according to this:
http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consi ... trade.html

Take it with a grain of salt I guess.

[Chamberlainship]

Sad to see Thad go.

Bennett? Who knows? I liked him going into the season last year, but he was terrible. I doubt he ever justifies the #1 pick, and I wonder if he will ever even be as good as Thad. He seems too heavy, too short, and not athletic enough. Hope I'm wrong. This could be a great deal.

Also, our roster next year is going to be a joke in terms of realized NBA-level talent. What's new?

Looking forward to the day when our team is evaluated on results. I figure that day is still two years away.

[ckchen]

I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?

I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.

I don't see how the NBA could block the trade when it follows the rules. This has happened before.

I've never heard this. Trying to think of a counter-example.

From CBA FAQ:

In addtion to the above, in a three (or more) team trade, each team must "touch" at least two other teams in the trade. To qualify as a touch, at least one of the following must be sent (in either direction):

* An active player contract
* At least $750,000 cash
* A future pick that will actually be conveyed (for example, a team can't meet the touching requirement by sending a top-55 protected pick, that switches to $100,000 cash if it falls within the top 55)
* The draft rights to an actual NBA prospect (same description as above)

For example, a three-team trade in which Team A exchanges players with both Team B and Team C, but Teams B and C do not exchange assets, is illegal. However, the above trade is legal if Team B sends Team C an unprotected draft pick or Team C sends Team B one.

Cash cannot be the only asset sent out in trade for a first round draft pick. In other words, teams can't "sell" their first round draft picks, but they can sell second round picks, player contracts or draft rights.

[DayofMourning]

So when are you guys going to get Oladipo;)

[roma258]

So when are you guys going to get Oladipo;)

All the best players from the worst draft ever are belong to us!

[Chamberlainship]

I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.