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Final trade thoughts

Great deal
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Good deal
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Good deal, but I wanted more
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So so deal
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Bad deal
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This team is trying to destroy all meaning and make a mockery of the very fabric of the universe
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Re: Sixers, Cavs, Wolves. 

Post#561 » by sixerswillrule » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:25 pm

ckchen wrote:
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sixerswillrule wrote:I don't see any reason why they wouldn't want to make it happen as a 3 way. The end result will be the same so it shouldn't make a difference.


I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?


I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.


Which would happen. Bennett to the Sixers.
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Post#562 » by WVU » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:28 pm

Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


I think the majority of us are happy with this deal for a few reasons..

1. We saw what holding onto our previous young vets (Turner/Hawes) netted us. Nothing more than some second rounders and Sims

2. Thad is most likely opting out at year's end and leaving

3. We get a true prospect with high potential. This is a real test for our player development system.
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Post#563 » by Ericb5 » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:32 pm

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BIRDMAN JR wrote:So does Anthony Bennett have the potential to b our starting 3 for years to come or is he a 6th man type backup 3 or 4? I hope everything clicks with him


Way to early to put any label on him or limit his potential. He's a 6' 8" F who can shoot, put the ball on the floor and rebound. He's also above average athleticially. His potential is through the roof--franchise caliber talent. However with what he showed last year his floor is Kwame Brown. He's got all the talent in the world but it will be up to him.


This.

We can't worry about how he will be used or how he will fit with Noel, Joel or Saric at this point. We are so far away from being a contender and all of these guys are 20 years old!

Any one of them could turn into a superstar(or at least an allstar) and any of them could bust.

Next year if we get the first pick we take Okafor without a second thought and just add him into the mix. 2 years down the line we will know more about what we have, and how they fit. At that point we can trade one or more of them for wing talent.

I am thrilled to get a talent like Bennett on this team, and we are only losing Thad. We all love Thad and what he brought to this team, but he had one foot out the door.

Bennett > Thad for us.


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Post#564 » by 76ciology » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:32 pm

WVU wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


I think the majority of us are happy with this deal for a few reasons..

1. We saw what holding onto our previous young vets (Turner/Hawes) netted us. Nothing more than some second rounders and Sims

2. Thad is most likely opting out at year's end and leaving

3. We get a true prospect with high potential. This is a real test for our player development system.


Yup, pretty much it. I don't like to jinx the deal, but I do think the Wolves got robbed with the Bennett for Thad deal. But let's keep it taboo for now.
(P.S. won't be defending this statement cause I don't want to jinx the deal :D)
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Post#565 » by ckchen » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:35 pm

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ckchen wrote:
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I wonder what the downside would be for the Cavs or Wolves that is keeping it from being a 3 way deal? It was rumored to be a 3 way deal about a week ago. Wonder why that changed to be separate deals?


I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.


Which would happen. Bennett to the Sixers.


See this: http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consi ... trade.html

However, apparently you need two assets exchanged between all teams. So there would need to be a 2nd asset exchanged between Cavs and the Sixers, not just Bennett alone.

Doesn't seem like a huge hurdle to leap over. Again, I submit that Brandon Davies could just re-routed to the Cavs (and then immediately waived).

Or maybe this is a chance for the Sixers to FINALLY re-acquire the rights to Eden Bavcic. Not sure he qualifies as reasonably coming to the NBA, but that would be sweet.
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Post#566 » by Sixerscan » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:39 pm

Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


"Thad" isn't expendable. "Thad on a one year contract and not wanting to go through another rebuild" is expendable. I think it's fair to say that from following this team it was likely that Thad wasn't going to be here after next April regardless, unless we wanted to overpay him.

Regardless, if this trade went through, he wasn't dealt in an expendable way. He was dealt for a very good prospect, one that we can have under our control for the next 7 years if we so choose, and one that could very well end up being a better player than Thad.
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Post#567 » by Sixerscan » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:41 pm

ckchen wrote:
sixerswillrule wrote:
ckchen wrote:
I believe technically, as a three-team deal every team has to "touch" the others involved. It just makes it slightly more complicated because there needs to be something traded between the Cavs and Sixers.


Which would happen. Bennett to the Sixers.


See this: http://www.shamsports.com/2014/07/consi ... trade.html

However, apparently you need two assets exchanged between all teams. So there would need to be a 2nd asset exchanged between Cavs and the Sixers, not just Bennett alone.

Doesn't seem like a huge hurdle to leap over. Again, I submit that Brandon Davies could just re-routed to the Cavs (and then immediately waived).

Or maybe this is a chance for the Sixers to FINALLY re-acquire the rights to Eden Bavcic. Not sure he qualifies as reasonably coming to the NBA, but that would be sweet.


Or a 55 protected 2nd. This is a minor hurdle.

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Post#568 » by sixers hoops » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:48 pm

Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


I think the reason he is available is because he is going to leave via free agency. We only control him for 11 more months, so let's roll the dice on someone who may stay here long-term.

Sixers aren't viewing it Thad vs Bennett, but one year of Thad vs as many as they desire years with Bennett.

If he were under contact for 4 more years, then they would have to evaluate it differently.
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Post#569 » by sixers hoops » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:49 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


"Thad" isn't expendable. "Thad on a one year contract and not wanting to go through another rebuild" is expendable. I think it's fair to say that from following this team it was likely that Thad wasn't going to be here after next April regardless, unless we wanted to overpay him.

Regardless, if this trade went through, he wasn't dealt in an expendable way. He was dealt for a very good prospect, one that we can have under our control for the next 7 years if we so choose, and one that could very well end up being a better player than Thad.


Brandon Davies is untouchable.
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Post#570 » by 76ers 2020 » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:51 pm

marcush wrote:Not sure the cap space means a lot to the owners as it is mandatory for them to pay out 90 percent of the salary cap, so really it is a sunk cost. The empty seats is another issue though, not sure how long they can or want to absorb that.


Yeah I know that rule. They are a lot further under the cap minimum than I thought. Made an assumption that taking on salary could move them past the minimum. Should have checked where they are cap wise before making that post.
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Post#571 » by sixers hoops » Fri Aug 8, 2014 3:51 pm

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Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


"Thad" isn't expendable. "Thad on a one year contract and not wanting to go through another rebuild" is expendable. I think it's fair to say that from following this team it was likely that Thad wasn't going to be here after next April regardless, unless we wanted to overpay him.

Regardless, if this trade went through, he wasn't dealt in an expendable way. He was dealt for a very good prospect, one that we can have under our control for the next 7 years if we so choose, and one that could very well end up being a better player than Thad.


If we offer Brandon Davies, the league may pull out some crap rule that it has to be a "professional caliber" player.
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Post#572 » by Chamberlainship » Fri Aug 8, 2014 4:00 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


"Thad" isn't expendable. "Thad on a one year contract and not wanting to go through another rebuild" is expendable. I think it's fair to say that from following this team it was likely that Thad wasn't going to be here after next April regardless, unless we wanted to overpay him.

Regardless, if this trade went through, he wasn't dealt in an expendable way. He was dealt for a very good prospect, one that we can have under our control for the next 7 years if we so choose, and one that could very well end up being a better player than Thad.


Why not just resign the good player/good person when his contract is up instead of trading him for a possibly good player on a rookie deal?

The answer to that is he won't want to resign here because of our franchise's instability. Hopefully, we wouldn't be asking him to be part of another rebuild. By the end of this year, we should start yielding some wins from these young players and show the potential to be a decent team in 2015-2016. Right?

Maybe we'll hit a homerun with Bennett. He's got potential.
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Post#573 » by sixers hoops » Fri Aug 8, 2014 4:10 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


"Thad" isn't expendable. "Thad on a one year contract and not wanting to go through another rebuild" is expendable. I think it's fair to say that from following this team it was likely that Thad wasn't going to be here after next April regardless, unless we wanted to overpay him.

Regardless, if this trade went through, he wasn't dealt in an expendable way. He was dealt for a very good prospect, one that we can have under our control for the next 7 years if we so choose, and one that could very well end up being a better player than Thad.


Why not just resign the good player/good person when his contract is up instead of trading him for a possibly good player on a rookie deal?

The answer to that is he won't want to resign here because of our franchise's instability. Hopefully, we wouldn't be asking him to be part of another rebuild. By the end of this year, we should start yielding some wins from these young players and show the potential to be a decent team in 2015-2016. Right?

Maybe we'll hit a homerun with Bennett. He's got potential.


We're not going to be very good this season. We won't even make the playoffs for 2 or 3 more years. 15/16 will be Embiid's rookie season. Don't see playoffs.

Hinkie is playing the LONG game. Spending more time building the foundation then people will like.
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Post#574 » by Sixerscan » Fri Aug 8, 2014 4:14 pm

Chamberlainship wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:
Chamberlainship wrote:I think when we look back we might regret viewing Thad as expendable. He's not at all old by NBA standards. Yes, he's paid like an NBA player but that doesn't make him old. We have too much "salary flexibility" as is.

The team that gets the best player wins the trade in most cases.


"Thad" isn't expendable. "Thad on a one year contract and not wanting to go through another rebuild" is expendable. I think it's fair to say that from following this team it was likely that Thad wasn't going to be here after next April regardless, unless we wanted to overpay him.

Regardless, if this trade went through, he wasn't dealt in an expendable way. He was dealt for a very good prospect, one that we can have under our control for the next 7 years if we so choose, and one that could very well end up being a better player than Thad.


Why not just resign the good player/good person when his contract is up instead of trading him for a possibly good player on a rookie deal?

The answer to that is he won't want to resign here because of our franchise's instability. Hopefully, we wouldn't be asking him to be part of another rebuild. By the end of this year, we should start yielding some wins from these young players and show the potential to be a decent team in 2015-2016. Right?

Maybe we'll hit a homerun with Bennett. He's got potential.


Because very good but non-superstar unrestricted free agents almost always get overpaid by the market. Winner's Curse etc.

And if his market is low enough where he's a good value next summer, guess which team has a point guard with long last name and $30 million in cap space to spend?!?!?

And as far as your question goes, I think we will show potential but nothing to the point where good players will start giving us discounts to play for us or something like that, especially since Embiid probably won't play.
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Post#575 » by 42uptop » Fri Aug 8, 2014 5:01 pm

Really dislike this trade. Thad is too good to give away for Bennett. I didn't like him in college and don't like him now. He is an underachiever with poor work ethic and no confidence, basically the exact opposite of Thad. Now we get to watch Jason Richardson mentor him, that could be a disaster
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Post#576 » by snoopdogg88 » Fri Aug 8, 2014 5:05 pm

42uptop wrote:Really dislike this trade. Thad is too good to give away for Bennett. I didn't like him in college and don't like him now. He is an underachiever with poor work ethic and no confidence, basically the exact opposite of Thad. Now we get to watch Jason Richardson mentor him, that could be a disaster


i can understand this.


One of the things that makes Hinkie's tank tolerable is that he brings in high character, high upside players like Noel and Embiid, and MCW

Bennett just seems to be the complete opposite. Lots of issues surrounding him. Gives off a bust vibe to me.

Hopefully they see something they can untap.
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Post#577 » by Mik317 » Fri Aug 8, 2014 5:11 pm

I plan on waking up to have something else added to the deal. **** has changed daily lol.

Not a super big fan of the deal (as I was a Thad Fanboy mainly) but we will see
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Post#578 » by jpatrick » Fri Aug 8, 2014 5:12 pm

Just an FYI, the main T-Wolf beat guys are all refuting the Philly reports that Bennett will be moved. Mobile so won't link.

My gut says too much smoke here, probably not finalized but sides still working on a Young deal. What that entails, who knows, could be Bennett could be something like Shabazz Muhammad and the Miami #1 the Twolves are going to get from Cleveland.

What's interesting is that when the Bennett - Young deal was posted the general board, it was almost universally thought of as a bad deal for MN. As a MN fan, I don't think that because after watching every second of Bennett's summer league, when he was supposedly thinner and in shape, he still looked short, slow, not explosive, and with a very limited offensive game outside of an inconsistent jumper. Don't judge too much off summer league but as a MN fan, I would probably rather give up Bennett rather than something like Bazz and a #1, although many on the MN board disagree with me.
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Post#579 » by KKell2507 » Fri Aug 8, 2014 5:38 pm

Dei Lynam reporting that she was told by Thad Young at his youth camps today that "I have not been traded." were his exact words. So we shall see.

Gotta think we get more than just Bennett. Seems like something is missing here.
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Post#580 » by snoopdogg88 » Fri Aug 8, 2014 6:02 pm

There's still so much time left. Weeks to go before this trade can be made

Seems inevitable it "stalls" or someone else swoops in with an offer for Thad

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