Official Chelsea FC Thread

[GMgoran]

:rofl:

His team back then was designed on getting the full backs forward, they would support and overlap whenever Joe Cole/Robben/Duff would cut inside. One of the reasons why it worked so well

Like I have said, it seems that you have joived the Chelsea bandwagon after Mourinho has left ... During his first spell with Chelsea, he has rarely fielded a team without 2 defensive midfielders ... If I remember correctly, the defensive midfielders at the beginning were Makelele and Tiago, until Mourinho bought Essien and paired him with Makelele ...

If you have followed Mourinho's career since his Porto days, you would have noticed that he always plays with 2 controllers, and when he (rarely) uses 1 controller, his fullbacks stay pretty deep, and never enter the attacking third of the pitch ... So basically, the overlapping you are talking about only happens under Mourinho when he has 2 controllers on the team ... Lesson over ...

[treiz]

So first he did play them but the FBs didn't go forward and overlap, now he always had 2 DM, come on pick one and stick with it. The overlapping I was talking about was allowed to happen because Terry/Carvalho/Makelele formed a three that would always stay back.

Anyway to debunk this one now, Essien and Tiago were known box to box midfielders early on in their careers, they were always high up the pitch supporting the attack, especially Essien. Think of the Liverpool 4-3-3 (since you only seem to have knowledge of Liverpool) but instead of Coutinho/Henderson it was Lampard/Essien or Tiago. To call Essien a DM is laughable considering in his prime he was considered one of the best box to box midfielders in the world, now Jose also paired up Gudjohnsen in midfield with Lampard and Makelele, was a he DM now too?

I've just corrected every piece of information that you've tried to manipulate (despite it being woefully wrong) to back up your argument, please do some research on the topic at hand before you post then maybe we can continue this discussion.

[Boognish]

I'll give you a hint, Google is your friend.

smh @ Sky generation and ipod google twerking

[fatlever]

Central position in midfield as in central midfield, not #10. Jose also said he sees Fabregas as a #7 (cross between #6 and #8).

well that makes a lot more sense. i was confused for a second since fabregas has looked excellent playing next to matic or in the midfield of the 4-3-3.

[fatlever]

maka didn't need a 2nd defensive mid next to him.

[treiz]

maka didn't need a 2nd defensive mid next to him.

Makelele back then with a prime Terry and Carvalho, nobody else needed to defend

[GMgoran]

So first he did play them but the FBs didn't go forward and overlap, now he always had 2 DM, come on pick one and stick with it. The overlapping I was talking about was allowed to happen because Terry/Carvalho/Makelele formed a three that would always stay back.

Anyway to debunk this one now, Essien and Tiago were known box to box midfielders early on in their careers, they were always high up the pitch supporting the attack, especially Essien. Think of the Liverpool 4-3-3 (since you only seem to have knowledge of Liverpool) but instead of Coutinho/Henderson it was Lampard/Essien or Tiago. To call Essien a DM is laughable considering in his prime he was considered one of the best box to box midfielders in the world, now Jose also paired up Gudjohnsen in midfield with Lampard and Makelele, was a he DM now too?

I've just corrected every piece of information that you've tried to manipulate (despite it being woefully wrong) to back up your argument, please do some research on the topic at hand before you post then maybe we can continue this discussion.

You can move the goalposts as much as you want ... It still won't change the fact that Mourinho won't allow his fullbacks to attack if he plays only Matic as a defensive midfielder ... I know that Chelsea fans would like for that to happen, since you would love to watch some beautiful attacking football like our football under Rodgers, but it won't happen under your current manager ...

[treiz]

So you admit you were wrong regarding Mourinho's first reign? Glad to see we could come to an agreement, there's nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong, glad you've accepted it

Well, we'll just have to see won't we?

[GMgoran]

So you admit you were wrong regarding Mourinho's first reign? Glad to see we could come to an agreement, there's nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong, glad you've accepted it

Well, we'll just have to see won't we?

Of course I wasn't wrong ... Tiago and Essien were always performing the role of the second controller next to Makelele, when Mourinho was allowing his fullbacks to attack ... Even if we ignore the fact that Matic is nowhere near Makelele as a defensive midfielder, the idea that Fabregas can perform the role of the second controller at the same level as Essien is even more laughable ...

Therefore, we will again see Chelsea playing some of the ugliest and most boring football in the Premier league, even though you have again spent a fortune on new players ...

[treiz]

Again, laughable how clueless you are. So Henderson was the second controller and Liverpool never played 4-3-3 last year then? Was that why Flanagan and espcially Johnson was allowed to run forward like headless chickens leaving your defence exposed? No wonder why you conceded 50 goals last season when you have to rely on the Skrtel/Gerrard/Henderson/Sakho or Toure or Agger or a corpse to defend

I've already pointed out to you in previous posts explaining this to you. So there's no point me repeating myself as it's quite obvious that not only do you have an agenda, but you're also completely oblivious to the evidence placed in front of you. Just FYI, never even said Matic was anywhere near Makelele either.

Anyways, we'll see if we play ugly football, at the end of the day as long as we win. Which is gonna be tough for Liverpool to do despite overspending a fortune on the likes of Lallana/Lambert/Lovren/Can/Markovic hoping (and that's a massive reach) that one of them can replicate Suarez. Good luck on the season.

[DD12]

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Therefore, we will again see Chelsea playing some of the ugliest and most boring football in the Premier league, even though you have again spent a fortune on new players ...

Liverpool played very handsome last year. Then what happened in the end?

Chelsea can play ugly even ugliest. As long as you win, there is no problem.

[GMgoran]

Anyways, we'll see if we play ugly football, at the end of the day as long as we win. Which is gonna be tough for Liverpool to do despite overspending a fortune on the likes of Lallana/Lambert/Lovren/Can/Markovic hoping (and that's a massive reach) that one of them can replicate Suarez. Good luck on the season.

Winning is not enough ... There also has to be beautiful attacking football ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WASdhpsi3O0

[treiz]

Pre season friendly

[GMgoran]

Pre season friendly

It is a sad when a football fan can't show his appreciation for some beautiful attacking football ... Don't worry, Abramovich will get bored by Mourinho's ugly football pretty soon, and you will get a proper manager who will make you play some beautiful attacking football ...

[treiz]

You're using a pre season friendly to back up this quote....enough said

Winning is not enough ... There also has to be beautiful attacking football ...

Hilarious. I'll appreciate it more when there's something actually on the line, like perhaps 3 points or a meaningful trophy something you guys haven't had in a while, but it's cute you're getting over excited over pre season.

You should ask Liverpool fans whether they'd prefer to play ugly and win the EPL or entertain and come 2nd. You'd be surprised at all of the answers.

Anyways, good luck on the season.

[Foye]

So all it takes is two injuries of Cahill & Terry and Chelsea wouldn't even be able to line up one English player in their match day roster?

[5DOM]

So all it takes is two injuries of Cahill & Terry and Chelsea wouldn't even be able to line up one English player in their match day roster?

cmon now, as you like to remind us, English players are overpriced Spent only about 7M in transfer fees on two of the better ones.

[Foye]

So all it takes is two injuries of Cahill & Terry and Chelsea wouldn't even be able to line up one English player in their match day roster?

cmon now, as you like to remind us, English players are overpriced Spent only about 7M in transfer fees on two of the better ones.

You know that you are allowed to develop English players yourself rather than having to buy them right?

No matter how high the prices for English players are. Having just two of them on the roster is pathetic. You would figure a semi decent youth academy would produce at least one Emglish player every two-three years who can make the jump to the own pro team. Not at Chelsea it seems.

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[treiz]

That's the problem we didn't have a semi decent academy until some years after Roman bought us, just look at this 'notable academy graduates' and you can calculate the success rate. It's just not great

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_F. ... _graduates

But at least in the last couple of years they're trying, the U21s recently won the U21 league last year which mostly comprises of English players. So there's a start

[5DOM]

So all it takes is two injuries of Cahill & Terry and Chelsea wouldn't even be able to line up one English player in their match day roster?

cmon now, as you like to remind us, English players are overpriced Spent only about 7M in transfer fees on two of the better ones.

You know that you are allowed to develop English players yourself rather than having to buy them right?

No matter how high the prices for English players are. Having just two of them on the roster is pathetic. You would figure a semi decent youth academy would produce at least one Emglish player every two-three years who can make the jump to the own pro team. Not at Chelsea it seems.

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That was more of a tongue-in-cheek comment, but anyways, Chelsea have one of the best, if not the best, youth teams in the country and maybe the world - full of English talents across all age groups (something even Liam Brady recently acknowledged). It's simply not that easy to promote youngsters when you have a deep squad of international players. Many of the youth players will be playing professional football elsewhere at least temporarily, and that's simply the development strategy the club decided to take. That doesn't mean there's no youth development going on. We can have the likes of Chalobah sit on the bench this season, but why do that when he can go play in a competitive environment week-in-week-out? We'll see if any of the promising youth players can make it at Chelsea, but I'm confident there will be a lot of Chelsea-produced players playing professional football.