Suns and Bledsoe on the Verge of Irreparable Relationship

[jbk1234]

I think his knee injuries are a huge concern to the Suns and the other teams. A fair way to address this would be to offer less guaranteed money but more money overall. Four years at 14 million per with the last year being a team option is fair.

[SideSwipe]

For a guy named I_Never_Lied, this guy sure tells a lot of fibs. He is saying all of this to convince himself and his homey Bledsoe. Bledsoe has great talent. PHX will be happy to have him back on the court next year. Dragic was definitely better last year, and got even better without having to think about sharing the ball. He knew he was in charge and he led the team. Bledsoe has not shown himself to be that great of a leader. He is a good player who has shown flashes of greatness.

Dragic on the other hand has shown that he can do things that only top all time players can do. He has scored 23 points in a quarter in a playoff game, he has joined the 50-40-75 club on a PER of 21.4 and over 20PPG. Want to know how many people in the history of the league have done that (with more than 2.0 3PA/gm)? 2 Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki. He also led the team to the cusp of the playoffs and 48 wins in this Western conference. He was also named to an All-NBA team. That means sports writers and analysts across the nation view Dragic as among the top 5 PG in the nation and top 15 overall. There is no debate about who was better this year and who has earned a high contract.

Bledsoe is good, but not as good as he thinks. The market trumps all and it is not convinced. If a team does offer him the max though, there is enough reason for PHX to match it still. He is not that far off to not be worth the risk if other teams are willing to put cash on the line. $52/4 is my bet. Extra for incentives (ASG...)

He's gonna get a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range. Injury prone and all. Phoenix can play hard ball if they want but will lose out to another team.

5 yr 65 is $13/year. That's the same as 4yr 52, but with an extra guaranteed year. Reverse the payout in a declining contract, and it works great.

5yr/ 65 actually has a lower first year salary than 4/52 That's believable. That is $19-$24 million below his starting point of $89 million (full max- $4-$5 mil less than max/yr.). It keeps him below Westbrook, Wall, Kyrie, Rose, Williams, Paul, Parker, but above Curry, Rondo, Dragic, Lawson, Jennings, Teague, Holiday, Conley. I think that if Bledsoe sat down with the Suns with that proposal it would have a high likelihood of happening.

It would need to be a reverse payout though. I think PHX wants to keep both guards. If they reverse the payout on one, and do a regular contract on the other, they won't have a year when they are paying a huge amount for their backcourt. It will even out the payout over time. That will increase the chances of grabbing another FA and still staying within the Cap/ tax structure, and they will be well-prepared for when the salary cap gets its bump in 2 years. Top backcourt, good youth and money to spend = contender.

[JTrain]

For a guy named I_Never_Lied, this guy sure tells a lot of fibs. He is saying all of this to convince himself and his homey Bledsoe. Bledsoe has great talent. PHX will be happy to have him back on the court next year. Dragic was definitely better last year, and got even better without having to think about sharing the ball. He knew he was in charge and he led the team. Bledsoe has not shown himself to be that great of a leader. He is a good player who has shown flashes of greatness.

Dragic on the other hand has shown that he can do things that only top all time players can do. He has scored 23 points in a quarter in a playoff game, he has joined the 50-40-75 club on a PER of 21.4 and over 20PPG. Want to know how many people in the history of the league have done that (with more than 2.0 3PA/gm)? 2 Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki. He also led the team to the cusp of the playoffs and 48 wins in this Western conference. He was also named to an All-NBA team. That means sports writers and analysts across the nation view Dragic as among the top 5 PG in the nation and top 15 overall. There is no debate about who was better this year and who has earned a high contract.

Bledsoe is good, but not as good as he thinks. The market trumps all and it is not convinced. If a team does offer him the max though, there is enough reason for PHX to match it still. He is not that far off to not be worth the risk if other teams are willing to put cash on the line. $52/4 is my bet. Extra for incentives (ASG...)

He's gonna get a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range. Injury prone and all. Phoenix can play hard ball if they want but will lose out to another team.

Rich, does Eric like playing for Phoenix or nah?

[I_Never Lied]

Stupid comment. Please go away. Your continuous stupid comments are annoying.

Bottomline is goran is 100% better player right now and has no injury history. There is a good chance he can play another 7-8 years at a high level.

Bledsoe's only proven history is that he gets hurt a lot.

I would rather have a player (goran) for 3 great years than have Bledsoe for 5 injury filled years.

So with all that in mind, go try an sell your BS somewhere else.

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Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Kyrie is injury prone, but young, ripe and tender for that 90 million.

Lol....you have no idea what your talking about. Gordon was offered that contract by an individual who is no longer with the suns(blanks). Thankfully the hornets (pelicans) saved lance blanks from making a stupid move and even more thankfully...blanks is long gone. So your Gordon argument is pointless and worthless.

Deep down, I know that bledsoe isn't even worth 7 or 8 million a year because of his lack of background. But I was sorta cool with the 48 mil offer, even though it's still too much.

Bledsoe needs to man up and take the QO. Oh that's right he is scared he won't be able to play a full year and his value will go down.

Oh and no other team thinks he is worth more than what the suns are offering. So please Bledsoe keep holding your breathe for an imaginary team to offer you more. Bledsoe is doing a great job of burning bridges with the phx fan base. All he is showing is he cares more about himself than the team and fans.

Fact:goran is better than Bledsoe. Stats and game play prove this.



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Bledsoe doesn't owe the Pheonix fans anything. He's only been there for 5 minutes. This is business we talking bout. If you really think Bledsoe is pricing himself out the market then you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. It sounds like you were just hoping to get a young dynamic high flying player on your team for a Steph Curry deal. Well Steph Curry is stupid and didn't believe in himself or his ability to get healthy and play at a high level. But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that.

[I_Never Lied]

For a guy named I_Never_Lied, this guy sure tells a lot of fibs. He is saying all of this to convince himself and his homey Bledsoe. Bledsoe has great talent. PHX will be happy to have him back on the court next year. Dragic was definitely better last year, and got even better without having to think about sharing the ball. He knew he was in charge and he led the team. Bledsoe has not shown himself to be that great of a leader. He is a good player who has shown flashes of greatness.

Dragic on the other hand has shown that he can do things that only top all time players can do. He has scored 23 points in a quarter in a playoff game, he has joined the 50-40-75 club on a PER of 21.4 and over 20PPG. Want to know how many people in the history of the league have done that (with more than 2.0 3PA/gm)? 2 Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki. He also led the team to the cusp of the playoffs and 48 wins in this Western conference. He was also named to an All-NBA team. That means sports writers and analysts across the nation view Dragic as among the top 5 PG in the nation and top 15 overall. There is no debate about who was better this year and who has earned a high contract.

Bledsoe is good, but not as good as he thinks. The market trumps all and it is not convinced. If a team does offer him the max though, there is enough reason for PHX to match it still. He is not that far off to not be worth the risk if other teams are willing to put cash on the line. $52/4 is my bet. Extra for incentives (ASG...)

He's gonna get a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range. Injury prone and all. Phoenix can play hard ball if they want but will lose out to another team.

Rich, does Eric like playing for Phoenix or nah?

Let me put it like this. The ONLY reason Paul George transformed from a non-dribbling, one dimensional, fringe 3 and D guy into a Top 10 player, was to get his first contract. The only thing a guy on a rookie deal is concerned about is long term financial security.

[lilfishi22]

Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Kyrie is injury prone, but young, ripe and tender for that 90 million.

lol the Gordon argument perfectly illustrates our point. You don't offer max money to an injury prone player let alone injuries which could severely affect the player.

Someone (Lance Blanks) offered max money to an injury prone but more productive Gordon when he really wasn't worth that kind of money and the Pel's matched. No sane person would question that was some of the best luck the Suns have had in a long time.

[lilfishi22]

Bledsoe doesn't owe the Pheonix fans anything. He's only been there for 5 minutes. This is business we talking bout. If you really think Bledsoe is pricing himself out the market then you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. It sounds like you were just hoping to get a young dynamic high flying player on your team for a Steph Curry deal. Well Steph Curry is stupid and didn't believe in himself or his ability to get healthy and play at a high level. But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that.

He's already priced himself out of the market! If he's worth a max deal, he would've seen them flowing in but none have. Not a single one. How the hell do you price yourself out the market if there is no market? Rich Paul has priced his client out the market and is too proud/stubborn to take a very reasonable deal the Suns have on the table.

[Kevin Johnson]

Bledsoe doesn't owe the Pheonix fans anything. He's only been there for 5 minutes.

Bledsoe also has been healthy for 5 minutes. He also has produced good numbers for about 5 minutes.

Bledsoe has put up over double figure numbers for exactly HALF a season. In his 4 seasons, he's missed a significant portion of the games in 2 seasons.

But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that..

Listen here gansta, if you have a raggedy ass ho that you're trying to pimp out. She can't charge $1,000 for session and say "FU, Pay ME." Because the most anyone is willing to spend on her might be $50.

We call that market value. So it's not a good idea for Bledsoe to say "FU pay me" because it doesn't look like anybody else is willing to pay him what he wants and soon he might have to take the QO.

[Damkac]

Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Yeah that is surely a reason to pay Bledsoe a max.

[Frank Lee]

But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that.

What do you mean by 'These' ? Your true colors are beginning to fly....

Bledsoe's crew has pumped up an inflated opinion of his worth and possibly his 'tattooed power'(pg.8). Its called the Jamesian Grandeur Syndrome. 42 games is not a large enough sample size to make max demands. Had he been studding up (healthy) the past 2 or 3 years rather than spot gapping for CPaul, perhaps more suitors would have emerged. But hey, if he doesn't want to play in Phnx, go ahead and hold out, don't show up for training camp, and McDo and Babby will find a trade for you....since your camp can't seem to facilitate much of anything.

[improper]

He's gonna get a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range. Injury prone and all. Phoenix can play hard ball if they want but will lose out to another team.

The only team that can give Bledsoe five years is Phoenix, and that's only if they made him their designated player (which they would have done already if they were willing to). If he goes elsewhere the most he can get is four, even in a sign-and-trade.

[Sunsdeuce]

Rich Paul is a moron, who shouldn't be representing anyone as an agent. But these dumb players fall for his BS and it's only hurting the players he represents.

Bledsoe deserves to lose more and more money each day for letting a bum like rich Paul be associated with him.

So Rich Paul sells jerseys from his car and now he is an agent. That's definitely not someone who should be a professional athletes agent. He shouldn't be allowed within 10 feet of professional athletes.


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[I_Never Lied]

Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Kyrie is injury prone, but young, ripe and tender for that 90 million.

lol the Gordon argument perfectly illustrates our point. You don't offer max money to an injury prone player let alone injuries which could severely affect the player.

Someone (Lance Blanks) offered max money to an injury prone but more productive Gordon when he really wasn't worth that kind of money and the Pel's matched. No sane person would question that was some of the best luck the Suns have had in a long time.

It does not matter who did it and whether he was sane or not. It happened then and its gonna happen again. This is a once in a life time opportunity.

[I_Never Lied]

Bledsoe doesn't owe the Pheonix fans anything. He's only been there for 5 minutes. This is business we talking bout. If you really think Bledsoe is pricing himself out the market then you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. It sounds like you were just hoping to get a young dynamic high flying player on your team for a Steph Curry deal. Well Steph Curry is stupid and didn't believe in himself or his ability to get healthy and play at a high level. But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that.

He's already priced himself out of the market! If he's worth a max deal, he would've seen them flowing in but none have. Not a single one. How the hell do you price yourself out the market if there is no market? Rich Paul has priced his client out the market and is too proud/stubborn to take a very reasonable deal the Suns have on the table.

How do you know Bledsoe hasn't already heard from other teams that they will offer 60? How do you know they are not going to offer it because Phoenix said they will match. Please don't just assume things.

[jcsunsfan]

Bledsoe doesn't owe the Pheonix fans anything. He's only been there for 5 minutes. This is business we talking bout. If you really think Bledsoe is pricing himself out the market then you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. It sounds like you were just hoping to get a young dynamic high flying player on your team for a Steph Curry deal. Well Steph Curry is stupid and didn't believe in himself or his ability to get healthy and play at a high level. But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that.

He's already priced himself out of the market! If he's worth a max deal, he would've seen them flowing in but none have. Not a single one. How the hell do you price yourself out the market if there is no market? Rich Paul has priced his client out the market and is too proud/stubborn to take a very reasonable deal the Suns have on the table.

How do you know Bledsoe hasn't already heard from other teams that they will offer 60? How do you know they are not going to offer it because Phoenix said they will match. Please don't just assume things.

The nature of restricted free agency is that teams are willing to take the chance on the Suns matching. That is what happened with Hayward and Parsons. No one even bothered to take that chance on Eric. There are always people who make their excuses "Oh, we would have given you 60 but we knew the Suns would have matched" crap. Hey, Eric. I am sorry. They were lying. Yes, if he was unrestricted, maybe. But the fact is that he is an unrestricted free agent, which by its very nature makes it harder to get a max contract. That's what the CBA is designed to do.

Eric's camp has not even talked to the Suns in four months according to published reports. That is incredibly unprofessional. Maybe there is a difference in negotiations and maybe they are far apart. But you do not insult the people who have your future in their power either through a big contract or trade. The best possible outcome for this situation is for Eric Bledsoe and the Suns to work our a win-win deal. You cannot do that if you do not talk.

I admire the Suns front office in this situation. They have said nothing but positive things about Eric and his agent during this process. Sarver even went public and denounced a local reporter who ripped on Eric's agent.

I really want Eric Bledsoe on the Suns. I really like him as a player. This whole thing sickens me. The attitude shown by Eric's camp, and by you in this thread is what sickens me about the NBA.

Good grief Eric. Come to the bargaining table. Squeeze out a couple more million. Ask for a PO in year four. THAT will secure your future. Then play your brains out and opt out in three years and get your big pay day. THAT is the smart move and EVERYONE in the NBA will say so. Just think of it, a kid who has been a back up for his whole career, who has had two knee surgeries and is missing meniscus in one knee, has enough amazing potential to secure 50+ million in guaranteed money. AND he still has the potential for more. THAT is a huge success story.

I negotiate for a living. The best deals I have been a part of are when NO ONE gets exactly what they want. If you get exactly what you want, you werent asking for enough.

[I_Never Lied]

He's already priced himself out of the market! If he's worth a max deal, he would've seen them flowing in but none have. Not a single one. How the hell do you price yourself out the market if there is no market? Rich Paul has priced his client out the market and is too proud/stubborn to take a very reasonable deal the Suns have on the table.

How do you know Bledsoe hasn't already heard from other teams that they will offer 60? How do you know they are not going to offer it because Phoenix said they will match. Please don't just assume things.

The nature of restricted free agency is that teams are willing to take the chance on the Suns matching. That is what happened with Hayward and Parsons. No one even bothered to take that chance on Eric. There are always people who make their excuses "Oh, we would have given you 60 but we knew the Suns would have matched" crap. Hey, Eric. I am sorry. They were lying. Yes, if he was unrestricted, maybe. But the fact is that he is an unrestricted free agent, which by its very nature makes it harder to get a max contract. That's what the CBA is designed to do.

Eric's camp has not even talked to the Suns in four months according to published reports. That is incredibly unprofessional. Maybe there is a difference in negotiations and maybe they are far apart. But you do not insult the people who have your future in their power either through a big contract or trade. The best possible outcome for this situation is for Eric Bledsoe and the Suns to work our a win-win deal. You cannot do that if you do not talk.

I admire the Suns front office in this situation. They have said nothing but positive things about Eric and his agent during this process. Sarver even went public and denounced a local reporter who ripped on Eric's agent.

I really want Eric Bledsoe on the Suns. I really like him as a player. This whole thing sickens me. The attitude shown by Eric's camp, and by you in this thread is what sickens me about the NBA.

Good grief Eric. Come to the bargaining table. Squeeze out a couple more million. Ask for a PO in year four. THAT will secure your future. Then play your brains out and opt out in three years and get your big pay day. THAT is the smart move and EVERYONE in the NBA will say so.

Who are the Suns? What have they done and what do they have going for them? Nothing. You can be sick all you want but this is an entertainment Business. I know for a fact that when the Suns come to my town to play, I'm not going there to see Markeif Morris or Goran Dragic. The Sun don't have any other players except for Green that people pay to see play. Bledsoe is the most dynamic thing that has graced your city since Amare.

That cost money.

[jcsunsfan]

How do you know Bledsoe hasn't already heard from other teams that they will offer 60? How do you know they are not going to offer it because Phoenix said they will match. Please don't just assume things.

The nature of restricted free agency is that teams are willing to take the chance on the Suns matching. That is what happened with Hayward and Parsons. No one even bothered to take that chance on Eric. There are always people who make their excuses "Oh, we would have given you 60 but we knew the Suns would have matched" crap. Hey, Eric. I am sorry. They were lying. Yes, if he was unrestricted, maybe. But the fact is that he is an unrestricted free agent, which by its very nature makes it harder to get a max contract. That's what the CBA is designed to do.

Eric's camp has not even talked to the Suns in four months according to published reports. That is incredibly unprofessional. Maybe there is a difference in negotiations and maybe they are far apart. But you do not insult the people who have your future in their power either through a big contract or trade. The best possible outcome for this situation is for Eric Bledsoe and the Suns to work our a win-win deal. You cannot do that if you do not talk.

I admire the Suns front office in this situation. They have said nothing but positive things about Eric and his agent during this process. Sarver even went public and denounced a local reporter who ripped on Eric's agent.

I really want Eric Bledsoe on the Suns. I really like him as a player. This whole thing sickens me. The attitude shown by Eric's camp, and by you in this thread is what sickens me about the NBA.

Good grief Eric. Come to the bargaining table. Squeeze out a couple more million. Ask for a PO in year four. THAT will secure your future. Then play your brains out and opt out in three years and get your big pay day. THAT is the smart move and EVERYONE in the NBA will say so.

Who are the Suns? What have they done and what do they have going for them? Nothing. You can be sick all you want but this is an entertainment Business. I know for a fact that when the Suns come to my town to play, I'm not going there to see Markeif Morris or Goran Dragic. The Sun don't have any other players except for Green that people pay to see play. Bledsoe is the most dynamic thing that has graced your city since Amare.

That cost money.

I love watching Eric. But Goran is fantastic to watch too. Equally so. But it is no fun watching Eric sitting on the bench in street clothes. That doesn't draw fans. Eric has to stay healthy. He hasn't proven that he can do that.

[baubo]

Man, I_Never Lied, you must be working for Rich Paul or something. Because I can't imagine you'd be posting what you post otherwise. If Bledsoe really does have Mystery Team X willing to give him $60mil but don't want Phoenix to match, then take the Qualifying Offer and sign with Mystery Team X next year.

RFA has never prevented teams from overpaying. Chandler Parsons isn't hating RFA right now. Neither is Gordon Hayward. Roy Hibbert loved RFA back when he was putting up like 11/7s. Brook Lopez had a huge injury risk and also got max. You know what these players had in common? They had a market that deemed them worthy of max. You know what this same market is telling Eric Bledsoe? He ain't worth the max.

[jcsunsfan]

Man, I_Never Lied, you must be working for Rich Paul or something. Because I can't imagine you'd be posting what you post otherwise. If Bledsoe really does have Mystery Team X willing to give him $60mil but don't want Phoenix to match, then take the Qualifying Offer and sign with Mystery Team X next year.

RFA has never prevented teams from overpaying. Chandler Parsons isn't hating RFA right now. Neither is Gordon Hayward. Roy Hibbert loved RFA back when he was putting up like 11/7s. Brook Lopez had a huge injury risk and also got max. You know what these players had in common? They had a market that deemed them worthy of max. You know what this same market is telling Eric Bledsoe? He ain't worth the max.

If this guy is tied to Eric in some way, please, PLEASE, go out and get an offer--ANY offer--max or otherwise, so the Suns can match and we can get this roster settled.

Eric is a great, great player. But he has only shown it for a short time. He also is an injury risk. Those are the facts. In spite of that, he is going to be a rich, rich man.

[NapoleonII]

How do you know Bledsoe hasn't already heard from other teams that they will offer 60? How do you know they are not going to offer it because Phoenix said they will match. Please don't just assume things.

The nature of restricted free agency is that teams are willing to take the chance on the Suns matching. That is what happened with Hayward and Parsons. No one even bothered to take that chance on Eric. There are always people who make their excuses "Oh, we would have given you 60 but we knew the Suns would have matched" crap. Hey, Eric. I am sorry. They were lying. Yes, if he was unrestricted, maybe. But the fact is that he is an unrestricted free agent, which by its very nature makes it harder to get a max contract. That's what the CBA is designed to do.

Eric's camp has not even talked to the Suns in four months according to published reports. That is incredibly unprofessional. Maybe there is a difference in negotiations and maybe they are far apart. But you do not insult the people who have your future in their power either through a big contract or trade. The best possible outcome for this situation is for Eric Bledsoe and the Suns to work our a win-win deal. You cannot do that if you do not talk.

I admire the Suns front office in this situation. They have said nothing but positive things about Eric and his agent during this process. Sarver even went public and denounced a local reporter who ripped on Eric's agent.

I really want Eric Bledsoe on the Suns. I really like him as a player. This whole thing sickens me. The attitude shown by Eric's camp, and by you in this thread is what sickens me about the NBA.

Good grief Eric. Come to the bargaining table. Squeeze out a couple more million. Ask for a PO in year four. THAT will secure your future. Then play your brains out and opt out in three years and get your big pay day. THAT is the smart move and EVERYONE in the NBA will say so.

Who are the Suns? What have they done and what do they have going for them? Nothing. You can be sick all you want but this is an entertainment Business. I know for a fact that when the Suns come to my town to play, I'm not going there to see Markeif Morris or Goran Dragic. The Sun don't have any other players except for Green that people pay to see play. Bledsoe is the most dynamic thing that has graced your city since Amare.

That cost money.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1958 ... ust-see-tv

And that's besides being named the "Other One Man Fastbreak" and one of the "most exciting players in the league" by guys like Magic, Steve Nash and Jerry Colangelo.

Go home dude and play some xbox.