Suns and Bledsoe on the Verge of Irreparable Relationship

[JTrain]

F U, pay ME. Gonna use that next time I ask for a raise.

[Frank Lee]

Who are the Suns? What have they done and what do they have going for them? Nothing. You can be sick all you want but this is an entertainment Business. I know for a fact that when the Suns come to my town to play, I'm not going there to see Markeif Morris or Goran Dragic. The Sun don't have any other players except for Green that people pay to see play. Bledsoe is the most dynamic thing that has graced your city since Amare.

That cost money.

A year ago only a hand full of people really knew who Bledsoe was. Thanks to the suns people know who he is now. In all honesty Suns fans came to see the Most Improved Player of the year. Goran Dragic! People wearing Goran jerseys outnumber bledsoe jerseys 30 to 1 in Phoenix. So there is just another argument of your that is bogus!

NeverLie , you a clearly fixated on stars, not basketball. If you would take the time to watch Dragic/suns day in day out you will see a player and a team trying to excel in team play. Its an unselfish non-star team who play with passion. They have to hustle and play hard, else they end up on the bench. Sure, I am biased, but the Suns are becoming, once again, a very entertaining team to watch. Nowadays, there are not but a handful of real stars people will go out to see... and it half way hype driven. Are you going to watch the Blazers for LAldridge? The Kings for Cousins ? Bledsoe is not a star-ified draw ... yet... and there is no guarantee he will ever be. I know what you are saying about stars and ticket gate... I used to go watch the Spurs purely for George Gervin.... the Nuggets for David Thompson, the Sixers for the Dr.... back in those days, you could get tickets and good seats for teams like the Dave Bing Pistons, the Bob MacAdoo Braves.... but those previously mentioned stars did put butts in the seats and even when on mediocre teams people showed up. Oh yeah... and I can't forget Bernard King. Man that dude was one of the best to watch and he was nothing but a baller. Not a flashy Dunker. Just a machine.

If Bledsoe had a lick of sense, he'd realize his game is made for the up and down relentless pace being cultivated in the desert. I think Phnx averaged around 107 its per game and Coach Hornecek has stated he wants to elevate that to 112-115. Put your 'pay the man' attitude aside and come to terms that a very good contract is on the table. As mentioned, make it a 4 yr with a player opt on the 4th so Bled can then pursue even more money..... the only caveat is, he will have to earn it this time.

[I_Never Lied]

Who are the Suns? What have they done and what do they have going for them? Nothing. You can be sick all you want but this is an entertainment Business. I know for a fact that when the Suns come to my town to play, I'm not going there to see Markeif Morris or Goran Dragic. The Sun don't have any other players except for Green that people pay to see play. Bledsoe is the most dynamic thing that has graced your city since Amare.

That cost money.

A year ago only a hand full of people really knew who Bledsoe was. Thanks to the suns people know who he is now. In all honesty Suns fans came to see the Most Improved Player of the year. Goran Dragic! People wearing Goran jerseys outnumber bledsoe jerseys 30 to 1 in Phoenix. So there is just another argument of your that is bogus!

NeverLie , you a clearly fixated on stars, not basketball. If you would take the time to watch Dragic/suns day in day out you will see a player and a team trying to excel in team play. Its an unselfish non-star team who play with passion. They have to hustle and play hard, else they end up on the bench. Sure, I am biased, but the Suns are becoming, once again, a very entertaining team to watch. Nowadays, there are not but a handful of real stars people will go out to see... and it half way hype driven. Are you going to watch the Blazers for LAldridge? The Kings for Cousins ? Bledsoe is not a star-ified draw ... yet... and there is no guarantee he will ever be. I know what you are saying about stars and ticket gate... I used to go watch the Spurs purely for George Gervin.... the Nuggets for David Thompson, the Sixers for the Dr.... back in those days, you could get tickets and good seats for teams like the Dave Bing Pistons, the Bob MacAdoo Braves.... but those previously mentioned stars did put butts in the seats and even when on mediocre teams people showed up. Oh yeah... and I can't forget Bernard King. Man that dude was one of the best to watch and he was nothing but a baller. Not a flashy Dunker. Just a machine.

If Bledsoe had a lick of sense, he'd realize his game is made for the up and down relentless pace being cultivated in the desert. I think Phnx averaged around 107 its per game and Coach Hornecek has stated he wants to elevate that to 112-115. Put your 'pay the man' attitude aside and come to terms that a very good contract is on the table. As mentioned, make it a 4 yr with a player opt on the 4th so Bled can then pursue even more money..... the only caveat is, he will have to earn it this time.

I know Dragic is a good player but I remember last year when I saw the Heat play in April, Lebron/Bosh were out and the arena had WNBA attendance. When the Lakers come to town and Kobe is injured, man I give those tickets away to random dudes at the train station. Bledsoe is a for lack of a better term a 'Mini-Lebron'. That is worth money because how many players in this league hold that title?

Bledsoe has 'ka-shay', if you want to be the Spurs then be them, but I ain't paying my money to see that.

[spaceballer]

A year ago only a hand full of people really knew who Bledsoe was. Thanks to the suns people know who he is now. In all honesty Suns fans came to see the Most Improved Player of the year. Goran Dragic! People wearing Goran jerseys outnumber bledsoe jerseys 30 to 1 in Phoenix. So there is just another argument of your that is bogus!

NeverLie , you a clearly fixated on stars, not basketball. If you would take the time to watch Dragic/suns day in day out you will see a player and a team trying to excel in team play. Its an unselfish non-star team who play with passion. They have to hustle and play hard, else they end up on the bench. Sure, I am biased, but the Suns are becoming, once again, a very entertaining team to watch. Nowadays, there are not but a handful of real stars people will go out to see... and it half way hype driven. Are you going to watch the Blazers for LAldridge? The Kings for Cousins ? Bledsoe is not a star-ified draw ... yet... and there is no guarantee he will ever be. I know what you are saying about stars and ticket gate... I used to go watch the Spurs purely for George Gervin.... the Nuggets for David Thompson, the Sixers for the Dr.... back in those days, you could get tickets and good seats for teams like the Dave Bing Pistons, the Bob MacAdoo Braves.... but those previously mentioned stars did put butts in the seats and even when on mediocre teams people showed up. Oh yeah... and I can't forget Bernard King. Man that dude was one of the best to watch and he was nothing but a baller. Not a flashy Dunker. Just a machine.

If Bledsoe had a lick of sense, he'd realize his game is made for the up and down relentless pace being cultivated in the desert. I think Phnx averaged around 107 its per game and Coach Hornecek has stated he wants to elevate that to 112-115. Put your 'pay the man' attitude aside and come to terms that a very good contract is on the table. As mentioned, make it a 4 yr with a player opt on the 4th so Bled can then pursue even more money..... the only caveat is, he will have to earn it this time.

I know Dragic is a good player but I remember last year when I saw the Heat play in April, Lebron/Bosh were out and the arena had WNBA attendance. When the Lakers come to town and Kobe is injured, man I give those tickets away to random dudes at the train station. Bledsoe is a for lack of a better term a 'Mini-Lebron'. That is worth money because how many players in this league hold that title?

Bledsoe has 'ka-shay', if you want to be the Spurs then be them, but I ain't paying my money to see that.

First of all, just because someone calls him "mini-Lebron" doesn't mean he's actually a "mini-Lebron". Nor is it a universally acknowledged title. Anymore than Copeland is a "Melo-lite." You brandish that title as if it's the truth or that it's even an actual thing. No one calls him that outside of a few fans here and there maybe. It's not a real "title"

If anything, he's the opposite of Lebron. Lebron has been known for his ability to stay healthy, there was even a piece about how things like ACL tears are unlikely to happen to Lebron because of the way he jumps and lands being different. Bledsoe is notorious for his knee injuries. A far cry from Lebron.

Oh, and on a pedantic note, the word is spelled "cachet" (taken from the French), not "Ka-Shay".

[brownbobcat]

How do you know Bledsoe hasn't already heard from other teams that they will offer 60? How do you know they are not going to offer it because Phoenix said they will match. Please don't just assume things.

That makes zero sense. Every team always says it will match for RFAs - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. What do other teams lose by making the offer and having it matched? So what? Why not make it hard to match by putting a no-trade clause and kickers like Dallas did with Parsons?

They answer is blindingly simple - nobody else wants to pay Bledsoe that money.

[supermelo]

Eric Bledsoe had a great season!! watch the career chart below:


click for big view and stats: http://www.fansboard.com/careerStats?pl ... ic-Bledsoe

i cant wait opening for Suns...

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[Ettorefm]

Every team always says it will match for RFAs - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. What do other teams lose by making the offer and having it matched

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You should look at how the CBA works, my friend. It takes some time for the offer to be processed, for the player to be signed...and even after they sign it, it takes a few more days for it to really get done. You don't waste that kind of time if you think the other team is 100% going to match
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Not only you lose time, you risk problems in your own team, but free agents get signed and you might end up getting nobody. This 'I'll offer contracts to some guys to make their teams match'' argument is for kids who don't really understand management. It's not a game.
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Look at what happened with Morey. He gambled on Chris Bosh and ended up with nothing, and still lost two important players as he was certain that Bosh would sign wih them. There was nobody left, even with the cap space. And they had to throw money at Ariza not to downgrade the team so much.
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Let's say you're detroit, and you have some cap space. You give Bledsoe a 13million offer (reasonable) and it takes 7 days to process, approve, sign and for someone to match, and it happens at that time after LBJ signed with cleveland and all the pieces started to fall. In 7 days, Phoenix matches, your team players get bothered that you signed another player for their position, you commit cap space for a player you're not getting, and the last big name you can get in FA is now Okafor, Marion and Blatche.

[King-]

Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Kyrie is injury prone, but young, ripe and tender for that 90 million.

Lol....you have no idea what your talking about. Gordon was offered that contract by an individual who is no longer with the suns(blanks). Thankfully the hornets (pelicans) saved lance blanks from making a stupid move and even more thankfully...blanks is long gone. So your Gordon argument is pointless and worthless.

Deep down, I know that bledsoe isn't even worth 7 or 8 million a year because of his lack of background. But I was sorta cool with the 48 mil offer, even though it's still too much.

Bledsoe needs to man up and take the QO. Oh that's right he is scared he won't be able to play a full year and his value will go down.

Oh and no other team thinks he is worth more than what the suns are offering. So please Bledsoe keep holding your breathe for an imaginary team to offer you more. Bledsoe is doing a great job of burning bridges with the phx fan base. All he is showing is he cares more about himself than the team and fans.

Fact:goran is better than Bledsoe. Stats and game play prove this.



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Bledsoe doesn't owe the Pheonix fans anything. He's only been there for 5 minutes. This is business we talking bout. If you really think Bledsoe is pricing himself out the market then you're gonna be in for a rude awakening. It sounds like you were just hoping to get a young dynamic high flying player on your team for a Steph Curry deal. Well Steph Curry is stupid and didn't believe in himself or his ability to get healthy and play at a high level. But if you have that confidence in your ability, you will look these Donald Sterling owners in the face and tell em'.

"F U, Pay ME". Straight like that.

Lmao. This guys mad that the Suns aren't going to overpay for Bledsoe.


Eric Bledsoe isn't getting a max contract this year, sorry. I don't know why it would, but obviously the truth hurts...


Get over it lol

[Scalabrine]

Every team always says it will match for RFAs - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. What do other teams lose by making the offer and having it matched

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You should look at how the CBA works, my friend. It takes some time for the offer to be processed, for the player to be signed...and even after they sign it, it takes a few more days for it to really get done. You don't waste that kind of time if you think the other team is 100% going to match
.
Not only you lose time, you risk problems in your own team, but free agents get signed and you might end up getting nobody. This 'I'll offer contracts to some guys to make their teams match'' argument is for kids who don't really understand management. It's not a game.
.
Look at what happened with Morey. He gambled on Chris Bosh and ended up with nothing, and still lost two important players as he was certain that Bosh would sign wih them. There was nobody left, even with the cap space. And they had to throw money at Ariza not to downgrade the team so much.
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Let's say you're detroit, and you have some cap space. You give Bledsoe a 13million offer (reasonable) and it takes 7 days to process, approve, sign and for someone to match, and it happens at that time after LBJ signed with cleveland and all the pieces started to fall. In 7 days, Phoenix matches, your team players get bothered that you signed another player for their position, you commit cap space for a player you're not getting, and the last big name you can get in FA is now Okafor, Marion and Blatche.

I see your reasoning but its not that time anymore. Teams have 4-7 days. There are no free agents left that teams with cap space want. Bledsoe is the last one...no team with the space is interested in signing him for more than 12 million. I think that is a very fair deal for him, anything more than that is an overpay. If he takes the QO he will lose 8.3 million dollars, meaning next summer he will need to get a contract averaging over 14 million just to match the losses he will see this season and then he enters free agency 1 year later in his career. If he doesnt want to be in Phoenix (like Monroe doesnt want to be in Detroit), then risk it, but he has some injury history and it just seems risky. Im sure the Suns wouldnt mind that though.

His agent is dumb, he should take the offer... there are no other options...

[EArl]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

[CrookedJ]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

Yep. Put up or shut up. If he's are a max player, with the way teams are throwing money around, he'll get it....plus he'll have one more year of experience for his max scale lol.

[og15]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

He should just take the Suns offer because if there is one thing you can't guarantee, it is health. His play is in his hands, work hard, play hard and production will happen, but even if you work hard and take care of your body, injuries can and do still happen.

[spaceballer]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

Yep. Put up or shut up. If he's are a max player, with the way teams are throwing money around, he'll get it....plus he'll have one more year of experience for his max scale lol.

No, he won't have an extra year to his max scale. The max scale is the same for 0 to 6 yrs of experience. So he would be in the same max scale bracket this year and next year. The jump is at the 7th year.

0 to 6 yrs
7 to 9 yrs
10+ yrs.

So the extra year wouldn't make any difference to his max scale bracket. He'll still be stuck in the 0 to 6 yr bracket.

[lilfishi22]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

Yep. Put up or shut up. If he's are a max player, with the way teams are throwing money around, he'll get it....plus he'll have one more year of experience for his max scale lol.

No, he won't have an extra year to his max scale. The max scale is the same for 0 to 6 yrs of experience. So he would be in the same max scale bracket this year and next year. The jump is at the 7th year.

0 to 6 yrs
7 to 9 yrs
10+ yrs.

So the extra year wouldn't make any difference to his max scale bracket. He'll still be stuck in the 0 to 6 yr bracket.

So the max he can get as a UFA is still $63m/4?

[SF_Warriors]

A year ago only a hand full of people really knew who Bledsoe was. Thanks to the suns people know who he is now. In all honesty Suns fans came to see the Most Improved Player of the year. Goran Dragic! People wearing Goran jerseys outnumber bledsoe jerseys 30 to 1 in Phoenix. So there is just another argument of your that is bogus!

NeverLie , you a clearly fixated on stars, not basketball. If you would take the time to watch Dragic/suns day in day out you will see a player and a team trying to excel in team play. Its an unselfish non-star team who play with passion. They have to hustle and play hard, else they end up on the bench. Sure, I am biased, but the Suns are becoming, once again, a very entertaining team to watch. Nowadays, there are not but a handful of real stars people will go out to see... and it half way hype driven. Are you going to watch the Blazers for LAldridge? The Kings for Cousins ? Bledsoe is not a star-ified draw ... yet... and there is no guarantee he will ever be. I know what you are saying about stars and ticket gate... I used to go watch the Spurs purely for George Gervin.... the Nuggets for David Thompson, the Sixers for the Dr.... back in those days, you could get tickets and good seats for teams like the Dave Bing Pistons, the Bob MacAdoo Braves.... but those previously mentioned stars did put butts in the seats and even when on mediocre teams people showed up. Oh yeah... and I can't forget Bernard King. Man that dude was one of the best to watch and he was nothing but a baller. Not a flashy Dunker. Just a machine.

If Bledsoe had a lick of sense, he'd realize his game is made for the up and down relentless pace being cultivated in the desert. I think Phnx averaged around 107 its per game and Coach Hornecek has stated he wants to elevate that to 112-115. Put your 'pay the man' attitude aside and come to terms that a very good contract is on the table. As mentioned, make it a 4 yr with a player opt on the 4th so Bled can then pursue even more money..... the only caveat is, he will have to earn it this time.

I know Dragic is a good player but I remember last year when I saw the Heat play in April, Lebron/Bosh were out and the arena had WNBA attendance. When the Lakers come to town and Kobe is injured, man I give those tickets away to random dudes at the train station. Bledsoe is a for lack of a better term a 'Mini-Lebron'. That is worth money because how many players in this league hold that title?

Bledsoe has 'ka-shay', if you want to be the Spurs then be them, but I ain't paying my money to see that.

Love Bledsoe as a player and very dynamic like you said, but let's get real. Bledsoe is not a headliner type of player, at least not enough of one to give max contract to.

[spaceballer]

Yep. Put up or shut up. If he's are a max player, with the way teams are throwing money around, he'll get it....plus he'll have one more year of experience for his max scale lol.

No, he won't have an extra year to his max scale. The max scale is the same for 0 to 6 yrs of experience. So he would be in the same max scale bracket this year and next year. The jump is at the 7th year.

0 to 6 yrs
7 to 9 yrs
10+ yrs.

So the extra year wouldn't make any difference to his max scale bracket. He'll still be stuck in the 0 to 6 yr bracket.

So the max he can get as a UFA is still $63m/4?

The max he can get as a UFA would be the same as he can get right now as a RFA with a max offer sheet from another team.

The only difference next year is that if the salary cap goes up next summer, then the max for the players in the 0 to 6 yr bracket may also see a slight bump.

But regardless, he's till in the exact same 0 to 6 bracket, since the extra year of playing experience doesn't help in that regard. If he wants to move up to the next max scale bracket, he needs 7 years of NBA experience.

Since he has less than 7 yrs in the NBA, his max is unaffected whether he has 4 yrs of experience right now or 5 yrs of experience next summer.

[baubo]

So the max he can get as a UFA is still $63m/4?

The max is based on the salary cap. Theoretically it's 25% of the cap, but the actual accounting has it more around 22-23%. If the cap goes up by a projected $3mil next year, then he should at $2-3mil to this year's max.

Still moot point though. If there is a Team A wanting him at max, they'd have offered the contract to him. What's the worst that can happen? Phoenix matches and this Team A remains the exact same team as they were a week ago?

[lilfishi22]

So there really isn't much difference between this year and next year's contract. Which means he's holding out until next off season for the same offer he hadn't received a single one of.

[Cutter]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

A max contract, 7.5% raises for 5 years type contract? I highly highly doubt a team offers Bledsoe that kind of contract, especially with his bad knees.

[spaceballer]

Bledsoe should just do what Greg Monroe did and go into UFA. If he stays healthy for the whole season someone will give him a max.

A max contract, 7.5% raises for 5 years type contract? I highly highly doubt a team offers Bledsoe that kind of contract, especially with his bad knees.

He's not eligible to be offered that by any team except the one holding his bird rights, i.e., the Suns.

No other team is allowed to offer him 5 yrs or 7.5% raises. The most any other team can offer him is 4yrs and 4.5% raises.