If we S&T Monroe what would you want

[brooklynoxy]

Amare, Larkin and Bargnani
For
Monroe, Jennings and Smith

We get decent complimentary players next to Dre for a year and a ton of cap space to add players that actually fit in the future.

You know something? There is something about this deal that I like. I even like Jennings since Coach Fish was a PG and knows this guy's pros and cons better than any other HC in the NBA, I hate Josh Smith's contract, yet the NBA cap will be going up to 80 million in 2016-17.

Melo likes Josh, Phil may like Smith as an athletic 3/4 who can score or Jackson would more likely try to trade Josh for draft picks. I can also see a three way with Indiana being a possibility….

[tmorgan]

Despite the rudeness, sc8581 is right -- Greg Monroe's jumper is complete crap. He doesn't take it much because he lacks confidence in it, and when he does take it, it goes in at a well-below-average rate.

If you want Monroe, you want him for his post game, rebounding, and passing. He's also reasonably athletic and runs the floor well... for a CENTER. As a power forward, his athleticism drops to average at best and his ability to run the floor is average as well.

Fact is, if you aren't playing him as a center (which you can -- his post defense is solid enough, he just isn't quick enough to help out off the ball at all), he's not a particularly exceptional player. As a power forward, his only plus attribute is passing. He needs to be in the lane to score, so if you have a center that's down there as well, things can get a little crowded. The buzzword in today's NBA is "spacing", and Monroe doesn't provide any. He does draw an occasional double in the post -- he's good down there and quite crafty -- but that's the extent that his offensive game will open up things for others. Great passer from the high post, though. Really great.

[tmorgan]

Melo likes Josh, Phil may like Smith as an athletic 3/4 who can score or Jackson would more likely try to trade Josh for draft picks. I can also see a three way with Indiana being a possibility….

Oh, and this... you can't trade Josh Smith for draft picks. If the Pistons could do that, he'd probably be gone already. If you trade for him and don't want him, you'd need to unload him the same way the Pistons are unloading him to you, for next-to-nothing in return.

[brooklynoxy]

NY has 0 interest in Monroe, the Knicks want to snatch two big names next summer, and there are better FAs in the 2015 class than Greg, there is 0% chance that Phil will waste the cap on a long term deal on Monroe.

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With all due respect, the Knicks definitely would have an interest in Greg Monroe. I am curious as to why you think Phil wouldn't have an interest in a 24 year old with a definite skill as a passer (we know how this works in the triangle), and a player who may just fit in "our" system. I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the Detroit posters' thoughts on the Knicks players that they would and would not be interested in. If any of you visit the Knicks board, you will see several threads on Greg Monroe.

As a Knicks fan, I am shocked that Greg did not accept SVG's offers on what I thought were extremely accurate reflections of this young guy's market value. The player we have no interest in would be Josh Smith. Most of us think Greg has much more potential than Josh Smith ever had, Greg is bigger, and we love Monroe';s mid-range shot, durability, passing ability, but most importantly, his youth.

Yes, I am aware of the defensive problems Greg has and this is a huge problem. My idea would be to "pair" Greg up as a 4 with Cole Aldrich orJason Smith as the 5. However, insofar as Monroe's defense is concerned, I have to ask what 24 year old 4/5 doesn't have defensive issues? This is something that will make Greg's ultimate salary much more affordable ten say the one free agent who has been linked with New York and that is Marc Gasol.

If given the choice, most Knicks fans would pick Gasol over any free agent next summer. I like Gasol,but I also think that he will be at least $5 million dollars more per year than Greg would be and the two guys have more in common than differences. Greg and Mark are superb passers. Monroe, however, is nearly 6 years younger than Gasol. Mark is a better defender than Greg at this point. Yet, New York has brought on a new coaching staff who would take this kid and work his butt of during practice and summoners. He would go to Big Man's camp to work on these deficiencies.

New York is building their team with a combination of young players and veteran players. Many of my fellow posters have pointed out that Monroe is a "plodding" sort of player, which made me think of Gasol's speed on the court being akin to molasses. Monroe's speed issues may also be attributable to age and his muscle development not having caught up with his size.

Greg must hit the weight room and improve not only his muscle development, but his ability to keep up with other PFs in the league. Knicks fans are not known for their patience, but Greg is one year older than Cleanthony Early, our small forward who we picked in this year's draft.

New York would not put Greg as the starting center. I see him as a "front-court" player, one whose mid-range shooting ability and excellent passing, would be a perfect fit in the triangle. On defense, the Knicks have two "Bigs" who are rough and tough, shot-locking and a rim protector in both Cole Aldrich and Jason Smith—obviously, we wouldn't play Smith and Cole at the same time, but Carmelo is moving back to the SF.

I have a question for poster Fischella, who mentioned that "the Knicks want to snatch two big names next summer". I know that Marc Gasol must be one UFA, but who is the second? Gasol's salary will be somewhere around $16.8 million per year and there is a huge uncertainty regarding Mark's desire to leave Memphis.

I haven't heard of a second "Big Name" UFA that we are interested in or one that we can afford.

I wish to thank all of the Detroit posters who have been extremely respectful and open about discussing this topic with a Knicks poster.

I stopped reading when you said you guys love Monroe's mid-range shot Lmfao. You clearly haven't watched him play and nobody would agree with your statement about him having more potential than Josh Smith ever had, that's insane.

I have watched enough Detroit Pistons games to know what I like and there was absolutely no need for you to suddenly become rude to me for an honest mistake I made in conveying what I meant to say which was this:

When I said "we love Greg's mid-range game." I didn't insert the word "potential" for a mid-range game.

I am sorry that you decided to not read my thanks for having me here. I truly enjoyed the dialogue and differences in opinion that we had about this young man,

You were one of the posters I had in mind when I proffered my thanks for the thoughtful discussions as well as respectful discourse which is often lacking on the other forums. Oh well, I tried.

[sc8581]

With all due respect, the Knicks definitely would have an interest in Greg Monroe. I am curious as to why you think Phil wouldn't have an interest in a 24 year old with a definite skill as a passer (we know how this works in the triangle), and a player who may just fit in "our" system. I was pleasantly surprised to read some of the Detroit posters' thoughts on the Knicks players that they would and would not be interested in. If any of you visit the Knicks board, you will see several threads on Greg Monroe.

As a Knicks fan, I am shocked that Greg did not accept SVG's offers on what I thought were extremely accurate reflections of this young guy's market value. The player we have no interest in would be Josh Smith. Most of us think Greg has much more potential than Josh Smith ever had, Greg is bigger, and we love Monroe';s mid-range shot, durability, passing ability, but most importantly, his youth.

Yes, I am aware of the defensive problems Greg has and this is a huge problem. My idea would be to "pair" Greg up as a 4 with Cole Aldrich orJason Smith as the 5. However, insofar as Monroe's defense is concerned, I have to ask what 24 year old 4/5 doesn't have defensive issues? This is something that will make Greg's ultimate salary much more affordable ten say the one free agent who has been linked with New York and that is Marc Gasol.

If given the choice, most Knicks fans would pick Gasol over any free agent next summer. I like Gasol,but I also think that he will be at least $5 million dollars more per year than Greg would be and the two guys have more in common than differences. Greg and Mark are superb passers. Monroe, however, is nearly 6 years younger than Gasol. Mark is a better defender than Greg at this point. Yet, New York has brought on a new coaching staff who would take this kid and work his butt of during practice and summoners. He would go to Big Man's camp to work on these deficiencies.

New York is building their team with a combination of young players and veteran players. Many of my fellow posters have pointed out that Monroe is a "plodding" sort of player, which made me think of Gasol's speed on the court being akin to molasses. Monroe's speed issues may also be attributable to age and his muscle development not having caught up with his size.

Greg must hit the weight room and improve not only his muscle development, but his ability to keep up with other PFs in the league. Knicks fans are not known for their patience, but Greg is one year older than Cleanthony Early, our small forward who we picked in this year's draft.

New York would not put Greg as the starting center. I see him as a "front-court" player, one whose mid-range shooting ability and excellent passing, would be a perfect fit in the triangle. On defense, the Knicks have two "Bigs" who are rough and tough, shot-locking and a rim protector in both Cole Aldrich and Jason Smith—obviously, we wouldn't play Smith and Cole at the same time, but Carmelo is moving back to the SF.

I have a question for poster Fischella, who mentioned that "the Knicks want to snatch two big names next summer". I know that Marc Gasol must be one UFA, but who is the second? Gasol's salary will be somewhere around $16.8 million per year and there is a huge uncertainty regarding Mark's desire to leave Memphis.

I haven't heard of a second "Big Name" UFA that we are interested in or one that we can afford.

I wish to thank all of the Detroit posters who have been extremely respectful and open about discussing this topic with a Knicks poster.

I stopped reading when you said you guys love Monroe's mid-range shot Lmfao. You clearly haven't watched him play and nobody would agree with your statement about him having more potential than Josh Smith ever had, that's insane.

I have watched enough Detroit Pistons games to know what I like and there was absolutely no need for you to suddenly become rude to me for an honest mistake I made in conveying what I meant to say which was this:

When I said "we love Greg's mid-range game." I didn't insert the word "potential" for a mid-range game.

I am sorry that you decided to not read my thanks for having me here. I truly enjoyed the dialogue and differences in opinion that we had about this young man,

You were one of the posters I had in mind when I proffered my thanks for the thoughtful discussions as well as respectful discourse which is often lacking on the other forums. Oh well, I tried.

I apologize. I'm rater quick sometimes to get on somebody about Monroe because of the debates we've had over the last year.

[brooklynoxy]

Despite the rudeness, sc8581 is right -- Greg Monroe's jumper is complete crap. He doesn't take it much because he lacks confidence in it, and when he does take it, it goes in at a well-below-average rate.

If you want Monroe, you want him for his post game, rebounding, and passing. He's also reasonably athletic and runs the floor well... for a CENTER. As a power forward, his athleticism drops to average at best and his ability to run the floor is average as well.

Fact is, if you aren't playing him as a center (which you can -- his post defense is solid enough, he just isn't quick enough to help out off the ball at all), he's not a particularly exceptional player. As a power forward, his only plus attribute is passing. He needs to be in the lane to score, so if you have a center that's down there as well, things can get a little crowded. The buzzword in today's NBA is "spacing", and Monroe doesn't provide any. He does draw an occasional double in the post -- he's good down there and quite crafty -- but that's the extent that his offensive game will open up things for others. Great passer from the high post, though. Really great.

T—I am grateful for your input into this discussion and I believe that your above post hit the nail on the head.

You have an emerging superstar in 'Dre and this is obviously where the problem with Monroe may be right now. He is not the 5 on your team.

And your right, I want Greg for his post presence which is where I've always seen him at his best. On New York, Monroe's "game" is exactly what the doctor ordered,

I am a little surprised with sc8581's response to me as I must have mentioned it 10 times that, in my view, Greg would e playing with either Cole Aldrich or Jason Smith, who would be the "centers" of designation, but Monroe would also be in this mix. Hence, I suppose that some people choose to read what they wish.

Thank you and have a great night!

[brooklynoxy]

I stopped reading when you said you guys love Monroe's mid-range shot Lmfao. You clearly haven't watched him play and nobody would agree with your statement about him having more potential than Josh Smith ever had, that's insane.

I have watched enough Detroit Pistons games to know what I like and there was absolutely no need for you to suddenly become rude to me for an honest mistake I made in conveying what I meant to say which was this:

When I said "we love Greg's mid-range game." I didn't insert the word "potential" for a mid-range game.

I am sorry that you decided to not read my thanks for having me here. I truly enjoyed the dialogue and differences in opinion that we had about this young man,

You were one of the posters I had in mind when I proffered my thanks for the thoughtful discussions as well as respectful discourse which is often lacking on the other forums. Oh well, I tried.

I apologize. I'm rater quick sometimes to get on somebody about Monroe because of the debates we've had over the last year.

Thank you very much as I truly enjoyed out thoughts here….It's all good!