Grade dumars job as a gm

[NorCalFan]

One ring, terrible signings, terrible drafts and the good players we got weren't developed. Amir, afflolo. He got lucky withe the rip, Chauncey, shred, Ben acquisitions. Stuckey was his best draft pick. He broke up what we had 2 or 3 years too soon. If he didn't win a ring and make 6 straight conference finals he would be the worst gm of his era Gordon, cv, j smith all overpays for wanna be stars. That ring saved his ass.


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[NorCalFan]

C- on the grade cause he didn't do much the moves he made with the championship team were easy moves which came up golden. You have to have more hits then misses to be a good gm, plain and simple


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[sc8581]

One ring, terrible signings, terrible drafts and the good players we got weren't developed. Amir, afflolo. He got lucky withe the rip, Chauncey, shred, Ben acquisitions. Stuckey was his best draft pick. He broke up what we had 2 or 3 years too soon. If he didn't win a ring and make 6 straight conference finals he would be the worst gm of his era Gordon, cv, j smith all overpays for wanna be stars. That ring saved his ass.


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If Jordan didn't win 6 rings he wouldn't be great.....wtf. Your logic is laughable. My honest opinion about Dumars is that Hammond was making the decisions before he left.

[kurtis48239]

How may of these threads do we need.Op just use the search function and youll find plenty of these threads.

[NorCalFan]

That ring saved his job. A ring gets you a lot of leeway in sports. At least 3 more years as a gm


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[NorCalFan]

It seems that ring got dumars 5 years of extra time he didn't deserve


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[tmorgan]

Stuckey as his best draft pick? C'mon now, son.

Drummond!
Monroe!
Prince!

....and despite screwing it up later....

Afflalo!
Middleton!
Amir!

[ElectricMayhem]

If he didn't win a ring and make 6 straight conference finals he would be the worst gm of his era

Exactly. And if I may add on to this thought, if Phil Jackson hadn't won those 11 championships and ended up with zero after having all that talent, he'd be the worst coach of his era.

[wallace72]

For his first 7 years a B
For his last 6 years a E-

[ImHeisenberg]

Dumars has a lot of misses throughout his entire tenure as a GM. It's just that towards the end of his tenure, there was almost all misses and very few hits.

I'd give him an overall grade of D+. I complete F for the last six years, and a B for the good years.

Logic: The team did win the title in 2004, and came within a few Horry 3's of a second one. Then, they fired Brown (regardless of whether the reasoning was justified or not), Brought in a treadmill coach with a history of not being able to generate any post-season success, the 2003 #2 pick was such a massive miss because he passed on three bonafide superstars, and never could bring in enough help to get an aging Detroit team over the ECF hump they kept getting stuck at. Additionally, holding onto players until their market value had dried up and died in a corner.

We're all familiar enough with the post-Chauncey trade history to not have to retread why I'd give him a F.

[Coherence]

For his first 7 years a B
For his last 6 years a E-

I'd grade it out like this too, I would give him a solid A- for the 1st 7 years.

For the last 6 I'd give him a D-, the only thing that is keeping him from a Z- is Monroe & Drummond.

[E-Z]

For his first 7 years a B
For his last 6 years a G-

I agree.

[need4detroit]

He got us a ring.

[russkopp]

The same handful of teams have won championships over the last 10-15 years. We managed to win and be competitive over a large portion of those years. There are so many teams that haven't won at all or in decades.
Can't go lower than a B- because most teams would love to be in our position now for a ring in their franchises history.

[DBC10]

1 ring followed by last 6 years of terribad bball.

He's lucky players have dropped to him like Monroe and Dre. To a lesser extent BK and even drafing Afflalo.

[DocRI]

Any discussion of Joe Dumars' tenure as GM has to look beyond the sports world, as anyone who is at all dismissive of making six consecutive Eastern Conference Finals because we only one won title is missing the big (and more important) picture. Do you have any idea how much extra money was generated in the Detroit, Auburn Hills, and overall Michigan communities by all of those deep playoff runs? I read an article a few years back which estimated it was over $1 BILLION. All of those extra playoff games we played meant more jobs for Michigan workers and more money for Michigan businesses, from the peanut vendors and security officers at The Palace to servers in sports bars across the state to the owners of said bars and restaurants. In short, the Pistons' continued success of the past decade was a MASSIVE windfall for the Michigan economy.

You can grade Dumars however you want for his on-court results, including splitting his tenure in half between the good years and the bad. That's completely fair, and judging our teams like that is what we all do as sports fans. But we should all do so with the proper perspective and recognize that we're judging strictly the sports side of the equation, because dismissing the overall good and the revenue that the franchise generated during Joe Dumars' tenure is short-sighted and unfair.

[Snakebites]

The second half of his tenure is an F. Everything from 2008 onward was a complete and unmitigated disaster. It isn't just an F, its a sub-50% F. A low enough F so that even if he has an A+ for the first several years it still averages out to about a C-.

[Snakebites]

The second half of his tenure is an F. Everything from 2008 onward was a complete and unmitigated disaster. It isn't just an F, its a sub-50% F. A low enough F so that even if he has an A+ for the first several years (debatable, he has to lose some points for the Darko pick, right?) it still averages out to about a C- at best.

He had a handful of hits very early in his tenure with a few misses peppered in. In the later parts of his tenure it was all misses all the time.

[DocRI]

The second half of his tenure is an F. Everything from 2008 onward was a complete and unmitigated disaster. It isn't just an F, its a sub-50% F. A low enough F so that even if he has an A+ for the first several years (debatable, he has to lose some points for the Darko pick, right?) it still averages out to about a C- at best.

He had a handful of hits very early in his tenure with a few misses peppered in. In the later parts of his tenure it was all misses all the time.

^ So drafting Drummond was a miss?

I'm not trying to pick on your post, Snake, but if perfectly illustrates the mirror-qualities of the two halves of Dumars' tenure. In the early years, he did SO MUCH RIGHT that he could make an unfathomable mistake that should have torpedoed the franchise for years (Darko at #2) and it essentially didn't matter. And to be fair, he had way more than "a handful of hits" back in the day — the Rip and Sheed trades, signing Chauncey and McDyess, drafting Prince and Okur — he practically had the midas touch. Then the script literally flipped and he compounded mistake upon mistake upon mistake — Rip's extension, BG, CV, the Afflalo trade, giving up a lotto pick to move BG, Smith, literally every coaching hire, etc. — that a home run, franchise-changing pick like Andre Drummond barely moved the needle on our win-loss record.

[TurboTitan]

Dumars draft grade would be an A if not for Darko. Even Darko was not really his fault because everyone expected him to go no.2. His signing would be a C- tbf though