Jazzfan1971 and FloppyMoose's Offseason Preview - Jazz

[jazzfan1971]

28 – Utah Jazz
Projected Lineup
PG – Trey Burke, Dante Exum, Ian Clark
SG – Alec Burks, Carrick Felix
SF – Gordon Hayward, Rodney Hood, Steve Novak
PF – Enes Kanter, Trevor Booker, Jeremy Evans
C – Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert

Trade Block: Enes Kanter. Kanter and Favors couldn't co-exist last season under Corbin. It remains to be seen if Snyder can solve the riddle. If not, look for Kanter to be shopped. On a totally unrelated note the Jazz brought in two power forwards in Booker and Novak this off-season.

Position Battle: Trey Burke vs. Dante Exum. IMHO Exum is the eventual starter at PG and Burke is the backup. When that happens is open for speculation. I'd guess either after the All Star break or starting next season.

Mystery Man: None other than Dante Exum. He was the biggest mystery of the draft and is the biggest mystery on the Jazz.

Floppymusings:
I bet Jazzfan remembers me being a Hayward doubter after his rookie season, but I'm on the bandwagon now. He's good. But the Hayward/Favors combo isn't going to save the Jazz this season. The silver lining could be an excellent draft spot.

JazzfanRamblings:

21, 23, 24, 22, 23

That's the ages of the projected starters. Rounding out the top 8 would be Exum, Hood, Gobert.
19, 21, 22.

An average age of 21.875. Lets just say 22. It's kinda like the Jazz are running a team of College seniors out there. Adreian Payne (15th pick of 2014 draft) is older than the average age of the top 8; put that in your pipe and smoke it. If Corbin was still the coach he'd find a way to get 96 minutes a night out of Novak just to piss off Jazz fans. However, I don't see any way Snyder manages to screw up the youth movement -cough- tank -cough-. I think it's another long year for the Jazz with all that youth and they'll finish bottom of the Western Conference once again.

Projected Record – 22/60

[AussieBuck]

Going to be a super fun team IMO. Exum/Gobert is going to be a very nice second unit duo to start the season.

[LloydFree]

So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

[sca]

Kanter is a C.

[AussieBuck]

Kanter is a C.

Yeah but they have two good C options other than him that need minutes and no PFs.

[SlowPaced]

Kanter is a C.

Yeah but they have two good C options other than him that need minutes and no PFs.

Favors is closer to being a PF than Kanter is.

[AussieBuck]

Kanter is a C.

Yeah but they have two good C options other than him that need minutes and no PFs.

Favors is closer to being a PF than Kanter is.

Eh, I'm not really going to argue as I wouldn't play either guy at PF.

[sca]

Yeah but they have two good C options other than him that need minutes and no PFs.

Favors is closer to being a PF than Kanter is.

Eh, I'm not really going to argue as I wouldn't play either guy at PF.

I don't really see your reasoning as Favors has spent the majority of his career minutes at PF.

[AussieBuck]

He doesn't have the offensive game of a PF at all. John Henson has played most of his minutes at PF and he's not even a tiny bit suited to the position. Sometimes teams are forced to play guys out of position, other times they just have their heads up their asses.

[HartfordWhalers]

Don't a good third of all pf's not have any offensive game? Just because a player doesn't have the offensive game of a pf, doesn't make them a center.

I think the distinction is much more a matter of where the player is suited to defend.

[AussieBuck]

Don't a good third of all pf's not have any offensive game? Just because a player doesn't have the offensive game of a pf, doesn't make them a center.

I think the distinction is much more a matter of where the player is suited to defend.

Both Favors and Kanter have C games on both ends, Kanter can't really defend either position though. Guys like him should be traded before this becomes obvious to everyone like in Greg Monroe's case.

[BieberLUV]

Don't a good third of all pf's not have any offensive game? Just because a player doesn't have the offensive game of a pf, doesn't make them a center.

I think the distinction is much more a matter of where the player is suited to defend.

about 75% of centers and power forwards in the league don't have any post games

the only percentage of those players that are significant and rotational players are athletic for lobs or can shoot the three or protect the paint or a combination of the three

twin tower play and low post play is dead in the nba and what i mean by that is two front court guys with high usage plays on offense that can work the low post like mchale-parish, sampson-hakeem, mourning-johnson and duncan-robinson not frontcourts like splitter-duncan, griffin-jordan and valanciunas-amir etc who are more or less a pairing of one good low post player and one garbage man who will clean up all the mess around the rim and protect the paint

take a look at the failed twin tower experiments in recent years: howard-gasol, sanders-henson, kanter-favors, drummond-monroe

this is a small ball, space oriented league now. there is little need for a low post option

[jibba jones]

How bad is Kanter's defense at the C spot? Can you project any improvement?

If so/ if not, as a Jazz fan what is his current expected trade value?

[irie]

So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

Well they had traded for Favors in the Williams deal, and already had Kanter as backup center and was promising at the time. They let Al and Millsap go to free up the starting spots for the young guys. Who did Philly free up time for? Totally different.

[HartfordWhalers]

So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

Well they had traded for Favors in the Williams deal, and already had Kanter as backup center and was promising at the time. They let Al and Millsap go to free up the starting spots for the young guys. Who did Philly free up time for? Totally different.

Philly already had Nerlens Noel, so that argument works poorly.

[Ghost]

Don't a good third of all pf's not have any offensive game? Just because a player doesn't have the offensive game of a pf, doesn't make them a center.

I think the distinction is much more a matter of where the player is suited to defend.

about 75% of centers and power forwards in the league don't have any post games

the only percentage of those players that are significant and rotational players are athletic for lobs or can shoot the three or protect the paint or a combination of the three

twin tower play and low post play is dead in the nba and what i mean by that is two front court guys with high usage plays on offense that can work the low post like mchale-parish, sampson-hakeem, mourning-johnson and duncan-robinson not frontcourts like splitter-duncan, griffin-jordan and valanciunas-amir etc who are more or less a pairing of one good low post player and one garbage man who will clean up all the mess around the rim and protect the paint

take a look at the failed twin tower experiments in recent years: howard-gasol, sanders-henson, kanter-favors, drummond-monroe

this is a small ball, space oriented league now. there is little need for a low post option

Sorry. I died a little here. Drummond/Monroe is not a failed "twin tower experiment" because for one, they never **** have got to play together due to our past coaching failures and General mismanagement...and on top of that Drummond literally has, to put it a nice way, a "developing" offensive game. He's basically Deandre Jordan right now. So he doesn't fit your criteria anyway as he's been more or less a garbage player for his 2 years of play.

Then lets see.. Howard was hurt, Pau was hurt. Sanders/Henson was suppose to be an elite twin tower frontcourt on the level of Hakeem-Sampson? What the ****? And Kantar who was a stable for ShaqinTheFool? Oh lawrdy.

[LloydFree]

So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

Well they had traded for Favors in the Williams deal, and already had Kanter as backup center and was promising at the time. They let Al and Millsap go to free up the starting spots for the young guys. Who did Philly free up time for? Totally different.

Your right. It's not the same thing. The Jazz let two All-stars walk, in their Free agent year, in order to play younger players. The 76ers traded away two league average players, in order to play younger players.

[Left Side Drive]

Still need a bonafide star or superstar on their team. Unless Exum can get to that level.

[Troubadour]

for a Jazz fan, you should know Steve Novak was traded to the Jazz...

[loserX]

So let me get this straight. The Jazz let Al Jefferson and Paul Milsap walk for nothing, but the 76ers management is an abomination for trading Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes for 2nd round picks?

Well they had traded for Favors in the Williams deal, and already had Kanter as backup center and was promising at the time. They let Al and Millsap go to free up the starting spots for the young guys. Who did Philly free up time for? Totally different.

Your right. It's not the same thing. The Jazz let two All-stars walk, in their Free agent year, in order to play younger players. The 76ers traded away two league average players, in order to play younger players.

Missing some important context for Utah. In Al and Paul's contract year, at the time of the trade deadline, the Jazz were several games above .500 and *in the playoff seeding*. Most teams, especially small market ones, don't really think of that as a good time to trade away their best players and start tanking.

As it turns out, we just missed the playoffs, and both guys ended up signing that offseason with capspace teams so S&Ts weren't an option. It was too late to try to get any value by then.

In hindsight, yeah, obviously, it would have been nice to trade them and get value and that's easy to criticize. We became victims of our own success. But at the time it was a completely defensible decision, and probably the right one, not to.