The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[SunsFanSSOL]

According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

[Jdiddy701]

PHX receives: Terrence Jones, Robin Lopez

HOU receives: Eric Bledsoe

POR receives: Miles Plumlee, Patrick Beverly

Suns get the 2nd best rim protector in the league and a good friend of Dragic with Lopez, and get a young PF with a high ceiling who is also good friends with the Morris bros in Jones.

Rockets get their third "star" and address their PG problem.

The Blazers get an athletic replacement for Lopez with Plumlee and a defensive minded PG who they can put next to Lillard and fills the absence of Mo Williams with Beverly.

HELL NO.

[Kerrsed]

And wouldn't we need Bledsoe to accept the trade?

Yes, but Bledsoe is pretty much fine playing anywhere so long as he gets his money.

[Kerrsed]

According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

Unless it war for Harden, there has to be a 3rd team just to make the money work.

Besides Harden there are only 3 players on the Rockets that draw my interest. Capella/Jones/Motiejuanas.

[Jdiddy701]

Markieff > Terrance Jones

A tooth pick > Robin Lopez (I HATE THIS GUY)

[PhxSunsFan1234]

After all the talk this summer with Minnesota about them wanting to win ASAP to throw it in Loves face and them looking for veteran players in return, i would look to steal Wiggins from them.

They are trading Love for Wiggins/Bennett/Protected 2015 1st.

From there Bennett is getting flipped to the 76ers for Young, making the deal Love for Wiggins/Young/1st.

I would offer the Wolves Bledsoe/Green/Future 1st/Wolve's 1st back for Wiggins/Shabazz.

That would essentially be them getting Young/Bledsoe/Green/3 1st's for Love/Shabazz.

Another thing that im hearing is that since Boston missed out on Love, they are once again looking at trading Rondo. Sacramento's name has been thrown out there, as have Cleveland (Irving). Also, may teams in the league still value Hibbert. Even though we arnt high on him, Indiana is high on getting a real PG to help them with the loss of George. Ship Bledsoe to them and Hibbert to a 3rd team.

They wanted Young because he's an expiring next season, not for the player he is.

Why would they trade one of the most hyped draft prospects since Oden/Durant? For Bledsoe, who probably wouldn't even sign a long term deal there and they already have Rubio.

This doesn't even make them better. This makes them worse and clustered at PG and C and no balance or depth at SG, SF or PF.

Some people overvalue Suns players way too much. I've heard Marfieff getting $10-$12 million, Goodwin being almost untradable, Bledsoe for Wiggins.

The Suns have leverage. But Bledsoe has just as much leverage too in a trade scenario if he's not willing to sign a long term deal.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Markieff > Terrance Jones

A tooth pick > Robin Lopez (I HATE THIS GUY)

Terrence Jones is only 22 and he's already more efficient than Markieff, and the point of acquiring Jones would be so Markieff and Marcus can bolster the bench unit as they play better together anyway. Jones and the twins are good friends, there won't be any competition between them. And Lopez is actually good now, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league and he's still only 26. He's much better than Plumlee who is nothing more than an flashy energy player.

[lilfishi22]

According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

Dragic isn't going anywhere. Too valuable to the team and the fan base. The guy we're trading Dragic for would have to be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over him to make any sense.

Bledsoe I could see going to Houston. Fairly big market with a solid team already but there will have to be a 3rd team involved.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

PHX receives: Terrence Jones, Robin Lopez

HOU receives: Eric Bledsoe

POR receives: Miles Plumlee, Patrick Beverly

Suns get the 2nd best rim protector in the league and a good friend of Dragic with Lopez, and get a young PF with a high ceiling who is also good friends with the Morris bros in Jones.

Rockets get their third "star" and address their PG problem.

The Blazers get an athletic replacement for Lopez with Plumlee and a defensive minded PG who they can put next to Lillard and fills the absence of Mo Williams with Beverly.

That's actually not bad. Probably picks to go around or switch here or there, but every team improves in its own way.

Obviously Bledsoe is the superior talent, but if they can't agree to a deal or he has no desire to play in Phoenix anymore, you get something out of him. Getting a 22 year old PF who has started in the NBA for a playoff team and has been very efficient (and improved year by year) and a defensive C (can't wait for Len; who knows when/if he'll amount to anything). Blazers get an energy C to play next to Aldridge, and a defensive PG to play behind Lillard and with him at some times.

Never thought I'd see the day a fair trade for everyone. Good for you!

[Jdiddy701]

Markieff > Terrance Jones

A tooth pick > Robin Lopez (I HATE THIS GUY)

Terrence Jones is only 22 and he's already more efficient than Markieff, and the point of acquiring Jones would be so Markieff and Marcus can bolster the bench unit as they play better together anyway. Jones and the twins are good friends, there won't be any competition between them. And Lopez is actually good now, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league and he's still only 26. He's much better than Plumlee who is nothing more than an flashy energy player.

Pretty sure if the TJones did come to Phoenix, he would not start over Markieff. He hasn't showed me enough to say he's a more efficient player than Markieff. Seems like he's more a hustle guy than a go-to-guy like Markieff is. Keep in mind, TJones has Dwight and Harden.

Plumlee fits a lot better to this team than Lopez does. Miles will be a good player, give him another season or two. Lopez and Marshall are two players I never ever want to see put a Suns jersey on again. I would be so pissed. Memories of defenders pulling the chair on Lopez so many times and him looking like a complete idiot falling for it every time.

[Kerrsed]

According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

Also, are you going off of what plowman said, because Cyberx said:

Seems like more people know more than me here regarding the Suns situation... I have heard NOTHING on this.

Granted that was on page 284 and i have another 100 pages to catch up on. I dont know much about plowmans credentials, but Cyberx has been the man when it comes to Rockets inside info.

[SunsFanSSOL]

According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

Dragic isn't going anywhere. Too valuable to the team and the fan base. The guy we're trading Dragic for would have to be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over him to make any sense.

Bledsoe I could see going to Houston. Fairly big market with a solid team already but there will have to be a 3rd team involved.

In my opinion, the Suns don't seem as committed to Dragic as you would expect. After reading LaCava's comments, I think that McDonough favors Bledsoe and Sarver/Babby favor Dragic and that is the main factor in this contract situation remaining unresolved. If I had to speculate, McDonough would gladly pay Bledsoe what he wants, but Sarver and Babby want to preserve capspace in order to re-sign Dragic next off-season. I wouldn't be surprised if McDonough is searching for a fair deal to trade Dragic in order for Sarver and Babby to cave into retaining Bledsoe. If what LaCava said is true, I'm concerned about a rift in the FO. McDonough is a great GM and it seems like Sarver and Babby are interfering in his moves. Hope they don't drive him away as they seem to be doing to Bledsoe.

[lilfishi22]

Markieff > Terrance Jones

A tooth pick > Robin Lopez (I HATE THIS GUY)

Terrence Jones is only 22 and he's already more efficient than Markieff, and the point of acquiring Jones would be so Markieff and Marcus can bolster the bench unit as they play better together anyway. Jones and the twins are good friends, there won't be any competition between them. And Lopez is actually good now, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league and he's still only 26. He's much better than Plumlee who is nothing more than an flashy energy player.

+1

Jones is more efficient and that was against starting line ups as well compared to Kieff who torched the opponents 2nd unit. Lopez is also solid C now. The guy shoots 55% from the field and gets the line 3 times a game where he shoots over 80% which is damn good for a C. Also per36, he's a 10rpg/2bpg player.

[Jdiddy701]

Suns fans want Robin Lopez.. I am done. He had a good season and that makes up for the misery he had for PHX and NO?

These two players have played next to allstars.... Markieff and Plumlee have not.

[Kerrsed]

According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

Dragic isn't going anywhere. Too valuable to the team and the fan base. The guy we're trading Dragic for would have to be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over him to make any sense.

Bledsoe I could see going to Houston. Fairly big market with a solid team already but there will have to be a 3rd team involved.

In my opinion, the Suns don't seem as committed to Dragic as you would expect. After reading LaCava's comments, I think that McDonough favors Bledsoe and Sarver/Babby favor Dragic and that is the main factor in this contract situation remaining unresolved. If I had to speculate, McDonough would gladly pay Bledsoe what he wants, but Sarver and Babby want to preserve capspace in order to re-sign Dragic next off-season. I wouldn't be surprised if McDonough is searching for a fair deal to trade Dragic in order for Sarver and Babby to cave into retaining Bledsoe. If what LaCava said is true, I'm concerned about a rift in the FO. McDonough is a great GM and it seems like Sarver and Babby are interfering in his moves. Hope they don't drive him away as they seem to be doing to Bledsoe.

I agree 100% with this line of thought.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Markieff > Terrance Jones

A tooth pick > Robin Lopez (I HATE THIS GUY)

Terrence Jones is only 22 and he's already more efficient than Markieff, and the point of acquiring Jones would be so Markieff and Marcus can bolster the bench unit as they play better together anyway. Jones and the twins are good friends, there won't be any competition between them. And Lopez is actually good now, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league and he's still only 26. He's much better than Plumlee who is nothing more than an flashy energy player.

Pretty sure if the TJones did come to Phoenix, he would not start over Markieff. He hasn't showed me enough to say he's a more efficient player than Markieff. Seems like he's more a hustle guy than a go-to-guy like Markieff is. Keep in mind, TJones has Dwight and Harden.

Plumlee fits a lot better to this team than Lopez does. Miles will be a good player, give him another season or two. Lopez and Marshall are two players I never ever want to see put a Suns jersey on again. I would be so pissed. Memories of defenders pulling the chair on Lopez so many times and him looking like a complete idiot falling for it every time.

Not only did Jones (12/7; 19 PER) put up nearly identical numbers to Markieff (14/6; 18 PER), but if you look at advanced stats, Jones is a better offensive rebounder, defensive rebounder, shot blocker, averages less turnovers, a higher OWS, is more efficient shooting the ball, with the exception of free throws. And he's 3 years younger.

So how exactly is Markieff better?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2014

[wordsenuff]

i hope dragic doesn't get traded..... i just got a new dragic jersey in 3 days ago

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Suns fans want Robin Lopez.. I am done. He had a good season and that makes up for the misery he had for PHX and NO?

These two players have played next to allstars.... Markieff and Plumlee have not.

Since when is starting 82 games playing 26mpg and averaging 11/6 with over 1 block per game all while shooting 55% and 78% from the FT considered misery?

[Jdiddy701]

^^^ Can you run a offense through Jones?? No. Markieff? Yes.

BIG DIFFERENCE. Especially for a team like Phoenix without any allstars. Of course players will be more efficient playing next to better players. I do agree Markieff's defense is not the greatest and Jones probably outweighs him on that side of it but not by that much. Markieff has never started so who knows how he'll do. He could average 20 pts a night, who knows. I wouldn't bring Jones in to replace Markieff in the starting 5. I think Markieff is ready to step it up.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Markieff > Terrance Jones

A tooth pick > Robin Lopez (I HATE THIS GUY)

Terrence Jones is only 22 and he's already more efficient than Markieff, and the point of acquiring Jones would be so Markieff and Marcus can bolster the bench unit as they play better together anyway. Jones and the twins are good friends, there won't be any competition between them. And Lopez is actually good now, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league and he's still only 26. He's much better than Plumlee who is nothing more than an flashy energy player.

+1

Jones is more efficient and that was against starting line ups as well compared to Kieff who torched the opponents 2nd unit. Lopez is also solid C now. The guy shoots 55% from the field and gets the line 3 times a game where he shoots over 80% which is damn good for a C. Also per36, he's a 10rpg/2bpg player.

Lets not forget Morris x2 were some of the highest NBA players to catch and shoot last season in the entire NBA. Put them in the second unit together and let them fire away with IT. Len can run around like a chicken with his head cut off and hopefully gets the game of basketball in the process. Maybe grab a rebound or two as well.