The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

PhxSunsFan1234 · Post #801 » by **PhxSunsFan1234** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:07 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:^^^ Can you run a offense through Jones?? No. Markieff? Yes.

BIG DIFFERENCE. Especially for a team like Phoenix without any allstars. Of course players will be more efficient playing next to better players. I do agree Markieff's defense is not the greatest and Jones probably outweighs him on that side of it but not by that much. Markieff has never started so who knows how he'll do. He could average 20 pts a night, who knows. I wouldn't bring Jones in to replace Markieff in the starting 5. I think Markieff is ready to step it up.

A team running their offense thru Markieff Morris will amount to less than 9 wins. My god, I don't want to live on a planet where Markieff Morris is the go to player. :banghead:

Jdiddy701 · Post #802 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:07 am

PhxSunsFan1234 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns fans want Robin Lopez.. I am done. He had a good season and that makes up for the misery he had for PHX and NO?

These two players have played next to allstars.... Markieff and Plumlee have not.

Since when is starting 82 games playing 26mpg and averaging 11/6 with over 1 block per game all while shooting 55% and 78% from the FT considered misery?

This guy was playing next to Amare and Steve Nash. Can you really say Lopez playing next to Dragic and Markieff/Jones would be a good team? lol

All of a sudden all the excitement is gone with Lopez as our starting center. Give me a break. Suns aren't that dumb.

Post #803 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:09 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:In my opinion, the Suns don't seem as committed to Dragic as you would expect. After reading LaCava's comments, I think that McDonough favors Bledsoe and Sarver/Babby favor Dragic and that is the main factor in this contract situation remaining unresolved. If I had to speculate, McDonough would gladly pay Bledsoe what he wants, but Sarver and Babby want to preserve capspace in order to re-sign Dragic next off-season. I wouldn't be surprised if McDonough is searching for a fair deal to trade Dragic in order for Sarver and Babby to cave into retaining Bledsoe. If what LaCava said is true, I'm concerned about a rift in the FO. McDonough is a great GM and it seems like Sarver and Babby are interfering in his moves. Hope they don't drive him away as they seem to be doing to Bledsoe.

I can't see any reason to believe that. McD wouldn't be a very good GM if he's out peddling the healthy top 20 guy who wants to be here over the guy with knee issues and doesn't want to play in Phoenix for anything less than the max.

I'm sorry but this whole post is pure speculation based on nothing we've seen, read or heard.

Jdiddy701 · Post #804 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:10 am

PhxSunsFan1234 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:^^^ Can you run a offense through Jones?? No. Markieff? Yes.

BIG DIFFERENCE. Especially for a team like Phoenix without any allstars. Of course players will be more efficient playing next to better players. I do agree Markieff's defense is not the greatest and Jones probably outweighs him on that side of it but not by that much. Markieff has never started so who knows how he'll do. He could average 20 pts a night, who knows. I wouldn't bring Jones in to replace Markieff in the starting 5. I think Markieff is ready to step it up.

A team running their offense thru Markieff Morris will amount to less than 9 wins. My god, I don't want to live on a planet where Markieff Morris is the go to player.

Oh sorry forgot Terrance Jones is a better option. You guys didn't watch the games last year where the ball was fed to Markieff and he was going to work every time. Don't say he was playing against bench players because he wasn't. He led a lot of our wins last season when Channing brick Frye was bricking.

PhxSunsFan1234 · Post #805 » by **PhxSunsFan1234** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:11 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
PhxSunsFan1234 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns fans want Robin Lopez.. I am done. He had a good season and that makes up for the misery he had for PHX and NO?

These two players have played next to allstars.... Markieff and Plumlee have not.

Since when is starting 82 games playing 26mpg and averaging 11/6 with over 1 block per game all while shooting 55% and 78% from the FT considered misery?

This guy was playing next to Amare and Steve Nash. Can you really say Lopez playing next to Dragic and Markieff/Jones would be a good team? lol

All of a sudden all the excitement is gone with Lopez as our starting center. Give me a break. Suns aren't that dumb.

You said it yourself. He was playing behind two of the WORST defenders in the entire NBA at their positions. Pair him next to Jones, and you actually have a scary defensive frontcourt who can defend the rim and allow the guards to play tighter on their man. It's crazy what a little defense will do.

People don't expect Lopez to be a backdown, dominant C. He's a garbage man put back scorer. You play him for his defense, size, hustle, energy and shot blocking capabilities.

PhxSunsFan1234 · Post #806 » by **PhxSunsFan1234** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:15 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
PhxSunsFan1234 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:^^^ Can you run a offense through Jones?? No. Markieff? Yes.

BIG DIFFERENCE. Especially for a team like Phoenix without any allstars. Of course players will be more efficient playing next to better players. I do agree Markieff's defense is not the greatest and Jones probably outweighs him on that side of it but not by that much. Markieff has never started so who knows how he'll do. He could average 20 pts a night, who knows. I wouldn't bring Jones in to replace Markieff in the starting 5. I think Markieff is ready to step it up.

A team running their offense thru Markieff Morris will amount to less than 9 wins. My god, I don't want to live on a planet where Markieff Morris is the go to player.

Oh sorry forgot Terrance Jones is a better option. You guys didn't watch a lot of games last year where the ball was fed to Markieff and he was going to work. Don't say he was playing against bench players because he wasn't. He led a lot our wins last season when Channing brick Frye was bricking.

I never once said the offense would run thru Terrance Jones.

Jdiddy701 · Post #807 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:18 am

It's going to be Dragic first, then who? Lopez? Give Markieff a chance. I am his biggest fan so I guess I don't count.

Post #808 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:20 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:It's going to be Dragic first, then who? Lopez? Give Markieff a chance. I am his biggest fan so I guess I don't count.

It's clear you're not looking at it objectively.

Scutt · Post #809 » by **Scutt** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:23 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Suns fans want Robin Lopez.. I am done. He had a good season and that makes up for the misery he had for PHX and NO?

These two players have played next to allstars.... Markieff and Plumlee have not.

Robin Lopez started all 82 games for New Orleans and put up good numbers on the Pelicans/Hornets. He also played very well for us in 2010 before going down with a herniated disk in his back. 2011 was his only "bad" year and that was due to him recovering from that back injury. He was the 15th pick in the draft, and has turned out to be a solid starting center, so why all the hate? What more did you expect from him? Lopez has always been a great shot blocker, and now he has really improved his offensive rebounding as well.

I think that proposed trade would be awesome. I would love to see Robin and Goran, two players who the Suns drafted, leading us to the playoff's. Meanwhile, we would still have Alex Len to develop behind Rolo and Terrence Jones as a PF prospect, who is close with the Morri. This trade would balance out our roster considerably and really improve the Suns already great team chemistry.

Jdiddy701 · Post #810 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:27 am

I am high on Markieff for a reason. He likes me. He's DM'ed me. I've watched him close since he's been with us on the court. He's improved. He's a gym rat. He loves Phoenix. He has never started for more than a couple of games. He was our pick. I really believe he can be a 20 pts, 8 rebs guy. He can do anything he wants on offense against anybody. Defense he needs help. He has room to improve and he will. I think our offense is made for his game. He's not going anywhere and don't think anybody is starting over him next season because he's deserved it.

JTrain · Post #811 » by **JTrain** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:34 am

If McD wants to trade away our franchise player and build the team around an injury prone guard who doesn't particularly like Phoenix, then... damn.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgeidV4LSY[/youtube]

Scutt · Post #812 » by **Scutt** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:37 am

^ I agree that Markieff has earned the right to be a starter, but this team needs more than one Power Forward. There is nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, plus you know Markieff wouldn't be upset with them bringing in one of his friends. If anything it might make Markieff work that much harder and become a better player, just like with bringing in Marcus. I remember reading that the Suns coaches could see a change in Markieff's mood and work ethic as soon as the Suns traded for Marcus . Maybe more competition from someone he is close with will push him to great things?

Sunsdeuce · Post #813 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:38 am

JTrain wrote:If McD wants to trade away our franchise player and build the team around an injury prone guard who doesn't particularly like Phoenix, then... damn.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgeidV4LSY[/youtube]

Couldn't have said it better. I'm telling you goran has a very good 7-9 years ahead of him. Beldsoe is Steve Francis part 2. All the talent but injury prone. Get something while you can.

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Jdiddy701 · Post #814 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:40 am

Scutt wrote:^ I agree that Markieff has earned the right to be a starter, but this team needs more than one Power Forward. There is nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, plus you know Markieff wouldn't be upset with them bring in one of his friends. If anything it might make Markieff work that much harder and become a better player, just like bringing in Marcus did. I remember reading that the Suns coaches could see a change in Markieff's mood and work ethic as soon as Marcus was brought in.

I can dig that. I would be cool and happy for TJones but nobody will ever make me feel a different way for Robin Lopez. That guy gave me the most headaches back in the day. Corny player with bad temper. You know it's bad when a professional basketball player breaks a window AND the organization makes him pay for it. lol

Jdiddy701 · Post #815 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:41 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
JTrain wrote:If McD wants to trade away our franchise player and build the team around an injury prone guard who doesn't particularly like Phoenix, then... damn.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgeidV4LSY[/youtube]

Couldn't have said it better. I'm telling you goran has a very good 7-9 years ahead of him. Beldsoe is Steve Francis part 2. All the talent but injury prone. Get something while you can.

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Good way to think about it.. forgot about Francis.
I do believe Bledsoe will be very good if he stays healthy though and hope he does wherever he goes.

PhxSunsFan1234 · Post #816 » by **PhxSunsFan1234** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:44 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:I am high on Markieff for a reason. He likes me. He's DM'ed me. I've watched him close since he's been with us on the court. He's improved. He's a gym rat. He loves Phoenix. He has never started for more than a couple of games. He was our pick. I really believe he can be a 20 pts, 8 rebs guy. He can do anything he wants on offense against anybody. Defense he needs help. He has room to improve and he will. I think our offense is made for his game. He's not going anywhere and don't think anybody is starting over him next season because he's deserved it.

You think he can put up 20/8 based on what exactly? Sure, maybe if he was the #1 option and his FG % was in the low 40's or high 30's. Or is this because he DM'ed you? Because that's even worse of an excuse.

Get off the pedestal and actually look at numbers, tape, all aspects of basketball. Not just cause a guy DM'd you and he loves the gym.

Sunsdeuce · Post #817 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:47 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
JTrain wrote:If McD wants to trade away our franchise player and build the team around an injury prone guard who doesn't particularly like Phoenix, then... damn.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgeidV4LSY[/youtube]

Couldn't have said it better. I'm telling you goran has a very good 7-9 years ahead of him. Beldsoe is Steve Francis part 2. All the talent but injury prone. Get something while you can

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Good way to think about it.. forgot about Francis.
I do believe Bledsoe will be very good if he stays healthy though and hope he does wherever he goes.

Yeah, I agree that Bledsoe has talent. Not denying that. But i think Bledsoe has "injury prone" written all over him. That usually means a short career and a what if type of career.

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JDLAW · Post #818 » by **JDLAW** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:48 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:According to insiders over at clutchfans.net (they're actually legit), the Rockets were discussing a Dragic to Houston trade before Bledsoe's contract negotiations went south. Apparently they are also pursuing Bledsoe too. They say there should be an official announcement within the next 7-10 days regarding Bledsoe or Dragic. More info to come as one of their top insiders is meeting with his source tonight.

Complete Bullsh#t. It is a one sided romance from the Rockets as they have nothing to give the Suns for either Dragic or Bledsoe. This is their fantasy.

Scutt · Post #819 » by **Scutt** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:49 am

Jdiddy, funny you mention the window because that is one of the things I like about Rolo. He is passionate and lets you know he cares. When he was drafted, I remember there were concerns that he didn't care about basketball and was more into comics and art, but I think he has proven he has a real love for the game. He has bounced around, and found a home in Portland it seems. I was one of the few Suns fans that was really upset that we chose Gortat over him, and I would welcome him back to the desert with open arms.

Jdiddy701 · Post #820 » by **Jdiddy701** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 1:51 am

PhxSunsFan1234 wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:I am high on Markieff for a reason. He likes me. He's DM'ed me. I've watched him close since he's been with us on the court. He's improved. He's a gym rat. He loves Phoenix. He has never started for more than a couple of games. He was our pick. I really believe he can be a 20 pts, 8 rebs guy. He can do anything he wants on offense against anybody. Defense he needs help. He has room to improve and he will. I think our offense is made for his game. He's not going anywhere and don't think anybody is starting over him next season because he's deserved it.

You think he can put up 20/8 based on what exactly? Sure, maybe if he was the #1 option and his FG % was in the low 40's or high 30's. Or is this because he DM'ed you? Because that's even worse of an excuse.

Get off the pedestal and actually look at numbers, tape, all aspects of basketball. Not just cause a guy DM'd you and he loves the gym.

Dude I was kidding. And if our roster stays how it is Markieff is very capable of putting those numbers and he will. We don't even have a backup PF so Markieff is going to play heavy minutes. I am looking at his numbers and he is efficient and one of the best midrange PF's shooters today. Guess we will have to wait until the season starts. I will bring this back up.

Scutt- That GIF ruined my night.