The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[JTrain]

All this hoopla from this cyberx guy and he comes back with this:


Today, 09:27 AM #7804
cyberx Member

"People say put a % to Bled to Rockets... Nothing is close... Prelim stages of discussion with some feelers put out to Bledsoes camp."


This guy went from, Bledsoe is coming to the rockets for only a few small pieces, to the rockets have only put feelers out right now.

I would take anything this guy says with a grain of poo.

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Bledsoe can't fit on the Rockets at a max under the salary cap unless they trade us every player on their roster other than Howard, Harden and Ariza. Those three guys plus a Bledsoe max hits the salary cap. It would be those four and all minimum guys they'd have to pick up that are not even on any teams yet.

If Houston offered him something it was likely after Bosh re-signed in Miami and before they signed Ariza.

Those three total about 44.8M. They could pay Bledsoe 13 and be at 57.8, which is still 5.4 under the cap. Most of their other players are on very small contracts.

[BurningHeart]

I'd take Stauskas and a #1 pick for Bledsoe and call it a day.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

If they offered combination of Terrance Jones + Clint Capella + Nick Johnson + First Round Pick for Bledsoe, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

[LukasBMW]

If we trade Bledsoe, I want a 4 or 5 back in return. Either an established 4 or 5 (Horford) or a guy with potential (Randle).

[LukasBMW]

Bledsoe for Monroe would be perfect.

The reason it hasn't happened is because neither team wants to pay more then the 11-12 mil per year the current team is offering.

That shows you that the players expectations are out of line.

So Bledsoe got a max half assed offer from the Lakers. That's a desperate franchise that needs to win now. They only offered him that because they missed out on their other targets. If the Lakers were really serious about signing him, they would have given him the offer in writing and forced us to match.

[Sunsdeuce]

If we trade Bledsoe, I want a 4 or 5 back in return. Either an established 4 or 5 (Horford) or a guy with potential (Randle).

Good point. I really want a good 4. If the suns floor a 4 that requires a double team, Len and plumlee will look a lot better and it will take pressure off of them. I like markieff but at this point, he doesn't require a double team.


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[JDLAW]

You missed his point. There was no room for a max contract for Bledsoe after Ariza was signed. The arithmetic just does not work when you apply the accounting rules.

There is another point. According to the reports, the Rockets were offering 2 years. Bledsoe would be unwise to sign a 2 year deal with another team as a free agent. At the end of the contract, he would not have Bird rights and his market would be exceedingly slim because there would be little possibility of a sign and trade to another team and the team he signed with might not be able to keep him at or give him the salary he wants because of the lack of Bird rights. (I know about the Early Bird rights for a player that plays 2 years with the team, but it is more limiting). This would not apply to a 2 year deal with the Suns since he already has Bird Rights.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

You missed his point. There was no room for a max contract for Bledsoe after Ariza was signed. The arithmetic just does not work when you apply the accounting rules.

There is another point. According to the reports, the Rockets were offering 2 years. Bledsoe would be unwise to sign a 2 year deal with another team as a free agent. At the end of the contract, he would not have Bird rights and his market would be exceedingly slim because there would be little possibility of a sign and trade to another team and the team he signed with might not be able to keep him at or give him the salary he wants because of the lack of Bird rights. (I know about the Early Bird rights for a player that plays 2 years with the team, but it is more limiting). This would not apply to a 2 year deal with the Suns since he already has Bird Rights.

A third team would obviously be involved (Trailblazers, Denver) to make the numbers work out.

You are correct on the number of years he'd want. He wants his money now. Not to be an asset for Morey on a short term deal.

[bwgood77]

PHX Gets: Afflalo + McGee + Faried
HOU Gets: Bledsoe
DEN Gets: Jones + Garcia + 1st

They'd still have to send out more salary to get Bledsoe back, unless he took the QO or less than we are offering him.

[JTrain]

Dragic... No. People stop. Please.

Suns are not giving him away!

[JTrain]

You missed his point. There was no room for a max contract for Bledsoe after Ariza was signed. The arithmetic just does not work when you apply the accounting rules.

Was this in response to me? Can you explain?

[Sun Scorched]

Dragic to the Rockets is hysterical. The Suns draft Dragic - trade him to the Rockets - sign him away in free agency - then we trade him back to the Rockets after he had an all-star season.... WTF? Why? Because we're scared of paying our all-star a large contract? Hahaha. The logic never ceases to amaze.

The Suns won't trade Bledsoe to the Lakers, seeing as how they own their 2015 draft pick and wouldn't want to improve their chance of winning this upcoming season.

[bwgood77]

I'd take Stauskas and a #1 pick for Bledsoe and call it a day.

I'd do that but we'd need to take back a bunch of filler too, so as long as that filler didn't clog our cap space going forward it could work.

Leaving Gay out of it for a couple of reasons means it would have to be some combination of Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, and Derrick Williams. Either two of those guys or one of those guys, Travis Outlaw and Reggie Evans.

Everyone is expiring except Thompson has one more year. Williams has the QO next year so there would be options with him. Probably let him walk though if we can't trade him.

[bwgood77]

You missed his point. There was no room for a max contract for Bledsoe after Ariza was signed. The arithmetic just does not work when you apply the accounting rules.

Was this in response to me? Can you explain?

I think it was and he was talking about your response to my post. I looked at it again, and you are right if you don't include unguaranteed guys (because about half of their other players have unguaranteed contracts), but they'd still need to send out more salary than people were mentioning.

[King4Day]

I'd take Stauskas and a #1 pick for Bledsoe and call it a day.

I'd do that but we'd need to take back a bunch of filler too, so as long as that filler didn't clog our cap space going forward it could work.

Leaving Gay out of it for a couple of reasons means it would have to be some combination of Jason Thompson, Jason Terry, and Derrick Williams. Either two of those guys or one of those guys, Travis Outlaw and Reggie Evans.

Everyone is expiring except Thompson has one more year. Williams has the QO next year so there would be options with him. Probably let him walk though if we can't trade him.

Give me Evans, Williams, Stauskas, and a protected pick and I'd be content (if we end up trading him).
Evans can help our rebounding problems.
Williams get sorta go home and maybe resurrect himself in a contact year.
And we'd have Stauskas to develop.

We'd be the Phoenix Kings but not everyone would be here long term anyway so no biggie.

[Kerrsed]

From Cyberx:

Change of events from last night.

Bledsoe looks more unlikely.

Its funny, as we have been quoting their insider, the tables have turned and they are now quoting ours.

[JDLAW]

You missed his point. There was no room for a max contract for Bledsoe after Ariza was signed. The arithmetic just does not work when you apply the accounting rules.

Was this in response to me? Can you explain?

It was, the original message was that the Rockets could not have given Bledsoe a max contract after Ariza, unless they dumped very single player on their roster. you responded that the Rockets could have given him a $13M deal with $5 +M left. It appeared to me at the time that you were trying to say the Rockets could have extended the offer to a $14.7 M max. Maybe I read too much into your comment. My comment, perhaps without enough explanation was that you might not have not taken into account the cap holds that come with open roster spaces. It was not intended to be critical so please do not take it that way. I saw the comment and did not have time for further explanation of my thoughts. I apologize if it came off as terse - it was not meant to be.

[Saberestar]

Check out AzCentral.com’s Paul Coro and Vincent Goodwill from The Detroit News with Bryan Gibberman on The Podium Game podcast discussing each player’s NBA future.

http://thepodiumgame.com/2014/08/21/pod ... y-edition/

Great podcast with Coro speaking very clear about Bledsoe's situation.
Things are looking very bad for both sides, and he thinks that we will not go over $50-$55M for 4 years...and Bledsoe only wants a MAX contract. It seems he will play for the QO if we can not trade him for good value.

[alphagorilla]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

Bledsoe, Plumlee, suns 1st - Sanders, Giannis

don´t know if bucks would do it or suns, all I know I would do it

[lilfishi22]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

Bledsoe, Plumlee, suns 1st - Sanders, Giannis

don´t know if bucks would do it or suns, all I know I would do it

Welcome to the boards my Nordic friend

That trade I certainly would consider even though I'm not convinced about Greek Freak yet. Not sure Bucks would do it though.