The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[JDLAW]

I think Bledsoe is too similar for this not to be a lateral move for OKC. Do the picks and Green sway it in their favor? Meh, not really.

I don't like Westbrook, but he's proven to be an Iron Horse, whereas question marks still surround Bledsoe in that regard.

He was an iron horse until last season where he sat considerable time because of knee problems. He has had 3 knee surgeries on the same knee.

If you are worried about Bled's knee (I am not), you have to worry about Westbrook's knee also - perhaps more so.

[blee732]

I say we still say we will match any offer. If Philly wants him, they will have to go through us.

That's not the way you do this. The Suns have to say, "Man, we need to keep money open for other players. We are really second guessing our offer." Hopefully that gets a team like Philly to bite and offer 4/50 or something. Then we can match and be done.

The "we'll match any offer" strategy has backfired for the Suns. In retrospect, it would have been better for some team out there to think they had a chance, and offer a four year deal at something less than $55 million. The Suns could have matched and that would be it.

Totally agree with this. Best to leave uncertainty and see if we can match a sub-max deal.

[KaneSFFL]

I think Bledsoe is too similar for this not to be a lateral move for OKC. Do the picks and Green sway it in their favor? Meh, not really.

I don't like Westbrook, but he's proven to be an Iron Horse, whereas question marks still surround Bledsoe in that regard.

He was an iron horse until last season where he sat considerable time because of knee problems. He has had 3 knee surgeries on the same knee.

If you are worried about Bled's knee (I am not), you have to worry about Westbrook's knee also - perhaps more so.

Except Bledsoe had his meniscus removed, which no player has had good results from. Anyone who has had this either becomes a shell of themselves immediately (Brandon Roy) or loses explosiveness over time and cuts the career short (Dwyane wade)

Russ to me seems much better built and when improves his jumper even more will adapt much better than Bledsoe whose game is too similar to wade. Always falling and taking hits and while he's strong and able to play through it, it definitely wears on him durin the course of games and seasons and ultimately his career.

Westbrook seems to get stronger as a game goes on and did you watch him this playoffs? Wow

[JDLAW]

I say we still say we will match any offer. If Philly wants him, they will have to go through us.

That's not the way you do this. The Suns have to say, "Man, we need to keep money open for other players. We are really second guessing our offer." Hopefully that gets a team like Philly to bite and offer 4/50 or something. Then we can match and be done.

The "we'll match any offer" strategy has backfired for the Suns. In retrospect, it would have been better for some team out there to think they had a chance, and offer a four year deal at something less than $55 million. The Suns could have matched and that would be it.

It has not backfired for the Suns at all. They are in a superb position and have been correct in their approach. You need to keep in mind that the statement was the Suns would match any reasonable offer for Bledsoe, not any offer. When free agency started, no other team was made aware of the Suns 4 and $48M for Bledsoe - it was not announced. I do not know this for a fact, but the likely scenario would be that if another team approached Bledsoe with a conversation about a market - $12M - , Paul would have told them it does not meet or beat the Suns offer and then probably let that team know what the Suns' offer was. Once the word was out about the Suns offer, most teams would have lost all interest because they realized they would have had to pay over-market and then run the risk of the Suns matching after three days. After all, it is not a big leap from a base of $12M (avg) to a base of $14.7M - keep in mind raises are not compounded.

The reason some teams are re-entering the picture is because they are predatory and hope to get a great deal in a S&T wherein they dump bad contracts and/or bad players for Bledsoe.

[SunsFanSSOL]

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Talks between the Suns and Bledsoe, who is a restricted free agent, have been fractured for weeks and the team is now vetting all options. That includes other sign-and-trade talks with other teams besides the Wolves.

Bledsoe has made it clear he is seeking a five-year, $85 million maximum contract from the Suns. He would only consider a max deal in a sign-and-trade, which would be four years and $64 million, with any other team, sources said.

Flip has said he wants to compete. What about a 4 team trade with Bledsoe, another piece from the Suns and Thad going to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland and Wiggins to Phoenix?

[TASTIC]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/502911868433088514[/tweet]

Talks between the Suns and Bledsoe, who is a restricted free agent, have been fractured for weeks and the team is now vetting all options. That includes other sign-and-trade talks with other teams besides the Wolves.

Bledsoe has made it clear he is seeking a five-year, $85 million maximum contract from the Suns. He would only consider a max deal in a sign-and-trade, which would be four years and $64 million, with any other team, sources said.

Flip has said he wants to compete. What about a 4 team trade with Bledsoe, another piece from the Suns and Thad going to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland and Wiggins to Phoenix?

WOW.

At least we're aiming high?

[JDLAW]

I think Bledsoe is too similar for this not to be a lateral move for OKC. Do the picks and Green sway it in their favor? Meh, not really.

I don't like Westbrook, but he's proven to be an Iron Horse, whereas question marks still surround Bledsoe in that regard.

He was an iron horse until last season where he sat considerable time because of knee problems. He has had 3 knee surgeries on the same knee.

If you are worried about Bled's knee (I am not), you have to worry about Westbrook's knee also - perhaps more so.

Except Bledsoe had his meniscus removed, which no player has had good results from. Anyone who has had this either becomes a shell of themselves immediately (Brandon Roy) or loses explosiveness over time and cuts the career short (Dwyane wade)

Russ to me seems much better built and when improves his jumper even more will adapt much better than Bledsoe whose game is too similar to wade. Always falling and taking hits and while he's strong and able to play through it, it definitely wears on him durin the course of games and seasons and ultimately his career.

Westbrook seems to get stronger as a game goes on and did you watch him this playoffs? Wow

He did not have his meniscus removed - do not know where this came from, but it is not true. He had a partial meniscectomy, which only a portion of the meniscus was removed. This is what a large number of players have and still have long careers. Roy had a degenerative condition (articular cartilage) in addition to total meniscectomies. His knees are a mess. Wade, from what i understand has had several knee surgeries and has one knee without one meniscus - you actually have 4 of them 2 per knee.

[JDLAW]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/502911868433088514[/tweet]

Talks between the Suns and Bledsoe, who is a restricted free agent, have been fractured for weeks and the team is now vetting all options. That includes other sign-and-trade talks with other teams besides the Wolves.

Bledsoe has made it clear he is seeking a five-year, $85 million maximum contract from the Suns. He would only consider a max deal in a sign-and-trade, which would be four years and $64 million, with any other team, sources said.

Flip has said he wants to compete. What about a 4 team trade with Bledsoe, another piece from the Suns and Thad going to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland and Wiggins to Phoenix?

I was wondering what Coro was referring to when he said in effect that the Suns had reached out to one team with a sign and trade discussion.

[SunsFanSSOL]

If Bledsoe, who has remained firm in his salary position all summer, does not get a max deal this summer, he intends to sign the Suns' one-year qualifying offer for $3.7 million and become an unrestricted free agent next year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11394 ... -love-deal

Forgot to add that.

[aIvin adams]

Spoiler:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/502911868433088514[/tweet]

Talks between the Suns and Bledsoe, who is a restricted free agent, have been fractured for weeks and the team is now vetting all options. That includes other sign-and-trade talks with other teams besides the Wolves.

Bledsoe has made it clear he is seeking a five-year, $85 million maximum contract from the Suns. He would only consider a max deal in a sign-and-trade, which would be four years and $64 million, with any other team, sources said.

Flip has said he wants to compete. What about a 4 team trade with Bledsoe, another piece from the Suns and Thad going to Minnesota, Love to Cleveland and Wiggins to Phoenix?

I was wondering what Coro was referring to when he said in effect that the Suns had reached out to one team with a sign and trade discussion

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hahahaha omg that would be an amazing move by Ryan and an all-time executive-of-the-millenium screwjob

[gaspar]

I say we still say we will match any offer. If Philly wants him, they will have to go through us.

That's not the way you do this. The Suns have to say, "Man, we need to keep money open for other players. We are really second guessing our offer." Hopefully that gets a team like Philly to bite and offer 4/50 or something. Then we can match and be done.

The "we'll match any offer" strategy has backfired for the Suns. In retrospect, it would have been better for some team out there to think they had a chance, and offer a four year deal at something less than $55 million. The Suns could have matched and that would be it.

It didn't really backfire for the Suns. From what was reported, Bledsoe had some offers on the table from other teams, but he was unwilling to sign with anyone for less than the max.

[gaspar]

If Bledsoe, who has remained firm in his salary position all summer, does not get a max deal this summer, he intends to sign the Suns' one-year qualifying offer for $3.7 million and become an unrestricted free agent next year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11394 ... -love-deal

Forgot to add that.

Making the Suns believe that he will take his QO is the only leverage Bledsoe has. He won't IMO. It's just another controlled leak by Paul.

[aIvin adams]

before lebron signed w the cavs, i was hoping that he planned to go back to cle and that he and rich paul had worked out a deal so that bledsoe wouuld be coming with him

and we'd get wiggins

but LOL at Ryan being a baller and getting his nose in there. with LBJ as a quasi-GM there must be all sorts of wonky efficiency margins to take advantage of in there

[ShawnBronald]

Yeah, my guess is that we contacted Minnesota about joining the 3-team trade and acquiring Wiggins rather than Love. The fact is, Love has already committed to playing alongside LeBron in Cleveland next year, not Phoenix for any reason. Honestly, Minnesota would look pretty good with a starting lineup of: Pekovic, Young, Budinger/Bennett, Bledsoe, Rubio. I'm not sure who else would need to be included to make salaries work (as I don't think Bledsoe-for-Wiggins straight up would work), but then again, I don't think any of this is going to happen anyway.

[SunsFanSSOL]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/APkrawczynski/status/502918105312813056[/tweet]

[SunsFanSSOL]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/502920053193310212[/tweet]

[SunsFanSSOL]

Who knows, LeBron and Rich Paul may be pushing the Cavs to include us in the deal in order for Bledsoe to get a max contract.

[matt131]

These guys are most likely bs'ing but it's fun to get on the hype train

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/ZABZC/status/502919868681707520[/tweet]

PLEASE be true. hahaha how exciting would it be if we landed Wiggins? But I feel like the Wolves would be dumb not to get Wiggins for a few years on a rookie deal and try and convince him to become their franchise guy.

[SSOL]

This is all likely to avoid any tampering charges. Nothing to see here.

[gaspar]

BTW, here's the list of players from all of the draft classes since 2004 to sign their QO: Stromile Swift, Mickael Pietrus, Vladimir Radmanovic, Melvin Ely, Ben Gordon, Robert Swift, Raymond Felton, Spencer Hawes, Marco Belinelli, Nick Young and Kevin Seraphin. It's basically Ben Gordon and a pile of crap. I don't think Bledsoe will join this group.