Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[Mr Sixer]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

Not only is he a great salesman, he is a great GM. I never would have thought trading Hawes or Turner for a few 2nds would have been a great idea, but now looking back on it was because they were expiring, similarly to Thad. Minny fans act like they are in some kind of position of power now because they got a potential star in Wiggins, but when you had a top 10 player in the league on your team and couldn't even make the playoffs I would hold off on your optimism.

I think you will think differently about this pick when it pans out to a solid young role player on a rookie contract and Thad walks.

[LloydFree]

That 2nd rounder has some serious protection to make sure it won't be reached dude.
And Lin's probably better than Sheved and Moute combined.

He might be twice as good, but also twice (actually almost 3x) more expensive. Also, what is the benefit of getting a good player in that kind of a deal anyway? You're not trying to compete for the playoffs, and even though I hate the concept of tanking, a few extra wins doesn't help you in any way, so why would we have wanted Lin again?

You missed my point here. Playing Lin or not doesn't matter at all. The point is to gain more picks if that's what Hinkie want. And we eventually need to spend those amount of money. Its just a matter of who we would pay.

You are not getting it. Apparently, Hinkie didn't think the Houston pick was worth the 15 million dollars it would've cost. He isn't going to take on that kind of salary at the beginning of a season. He doesn't need to get to the salary floor until the deadline, when there is only 1/3rd of the season left to pay the prorated (5 million)salary.

Think of it this way. For $10 million, Hinkie could just buy a pick in the mid-20's from any team, on draft night. And he would have teams fighting to give him the pick, if he offered that amount.

[LloydFree]

1st, we really did have to trade him. He was disgruntled and he doesn't fit at all with Nerlens Noel. You can't have a Power Forward like Thad, getting 5 rebounds per game, next to Nerlens Noel.

2nd: How are they "worst expirings"? That doesn't make any sense. A measly 4million dollar expiring and a 3million dollar expiring, is worse than a 9million dollar contract with a players' option?

And your 3rd point: They let him go for nothing? When did a 1st round pick become nothing? The pick will likely be around #19, and as high as #15. Thad Young himself was #12.

Lastly, you still didn't say what would have been fair return from Minnesota. You're just repeating the false statement, that they got nothing.

1) We didn't have to start Thad next to Noel. Noel could barely stay on the court in summer league, the guy is not going to be a center or an 82 game starter this year. Thad was a reliable starter to have until Noel adjusted to the NBA game.

2) They are worse expirings because they are worse players. We don't have any use for guys like Shved or LMAM, if anything we should be the team taking back more salary to get another asset. We already have enough cap room

3)As high as 15? Miami is a good team in a conference of pretenders. Their pick will at best be in the early 20s, but most likely around 24 or 25. The odds that we get a decent player in that range are small. Not every draft is as deep as last years.

I'm not going to convince you this was a more than fair deal. You have a personal connection to Thad, so you value him much more than I do. I've felt that way about average players before (Aaron McKie, Theo Ratliff, Caldwell Jones). If the same situation would have happened with them, I would have been disappointed in receiving a mid-late 1st, because I would've wanted to keep the player.

[LloydFree]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

One of the more interesting things about this trade is the change in perceived value of the pieces. Due to the length of time between the rumors and actual deal.

Two months ago, a T'wolves fan would have called you a fool if you told them they were going to trade a mid-1st round pick for Thaddeus Young. Once there were rumors that they were trading Bennett and picks, Thad Young's value skyrocketed to All-star level. Now its Naa, naa, na, naa, na, we got Thad Young for only a mid-1st round pick.

The human mind. SMH.

[freshie2]

The trades and picks are great, but will he know when to stop trading?? All these picks ultimately need to develop into stars, but how long will he chase the picks??

[vdalfmd]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

And, what about the great team your front office built around Love?

[BullyKing]

The trades and picks are great, but will he know when to stop trading?? All these picks ultimately need to develop into stars, but how long will he chase the picks??

Sigh. Again, its been one season and this will be the second.

[OleSchool]

The only thing I can't deal with is why Hinkie pass the chance to get another late 1st for free by absorbing Lin's expiring contract if all he targets are picks.

The deal that Lin went for was a bad deal for LA. They gave up a Euro, probably never come over and a 2nd rounder? just to pay Lin 15 million and get Houston's late 1st.

In order for us to get Houston's pick we would've had to beat what LAL gave up

That 2nd rounder has some serious protection to make sure it won't be reached dude.
And Lin's probably better than Sheved and Moute combined.

Yes, and we would of had to beat the deal that LAL gave up. So, we would've had to lower the protection on the 2nd and give up a Euro who may actually come over like Milic?

I said Milic cause we only have 4 Euros? Sric wouldn't have gone, maybe Aldmir (sp), or Kazemi?

[freshie2]

The trades and picks are great, but will he know when to stop trading?? All these picks ultimately need to develop into stars, but how long will he chase the picks??

Sigh. Again, its been one season and this will be the second.

I'm not upset or doubting, just a thought that has to be asked. He's done a great job so far, but he'll need to finish. I'm not expecting championships today, but this is the last bye year...they'll need to be truly competitive in 2015. Playoffs in 2015/16 and building moving forward.

[OleSchool]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

I don't want to diss Thad BUT, this is a good deal for us. Minny is slightly overpaying for Thad.

We get a guy who is a mentor to our potential superstar, a decent backup pg, who can play the PnR, and a first that can be as high as 11. Not a bad haul for an undersize 4 who still can't dribble, is ok at defense, and has a questionable shot. Not to even mention that he is going to opt out at the end of the year.

Its not a "dance in the street" type of deal but a good deal for us, as well as you guys

[OleSchool]

1) We didn't have to start Thad next to Noel. Noel could barely stay on the court in summer league, the guy is not going to be a center or an 82 game starter this year. Thad was a reliable starter to have until Noel adjusted to the NBA game.

This is a valid argument, considering how slight Noel is.

2) They are worse expirings because they are worse players. We don't have any use for guys like Shved or LMAM, if anything we should be the team taking back more salary to get another asset. We already have enough cap room

They are not worse expirings because, the deals are less than Lin's they would be easier to move at the deadline, if needed.

If you wanna say "Hinkie should have offered to take back JJ and Martin in the deal to see what Minny would've offered then." That should be the argument. Not "they are worse expiring cause they are worse players."

3)As high as 15? Miami is a good team in a conference of pretenders. Their pick will at best be in the early 20s, but most likely around 24 or 25. The odds that we get a decent player in that range are small. Not every draft is as deep as last years.

Miami's best player has bad knees and will probably miss 25% of their games (if not more). Bosh has turned into an outside player, their coach stinks, their bench is meh, plus they will have the "LaBron left us hangover." Miami may not even make the PO's. I am actually more worried about them going into full blown tank so they don't have to give us their pick this year.

[MRxBLACK]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

I must admit Saunders is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of Minny fans that the team could build around Wiggins when they couldn't build a playoff team around Love for his entire stint with the team.

The General Board would be an appropriate place for your clueless post.

[OleSchool]

The trades and picks are great, but will he know when to stop trading?? All these picks ultimately need to develop into stars, but how long will he chase the picks??

Sigh. Again, its been one season and this will be the second.

I think the reason why people think, or feel its been longer than 2 seasons is because we have been mediocre for SO LONG that this plan is just a continuation of the last 10 years.

[OleSchool]

The trades and picks are great, but will he know when to stop trading?? All these picks ultimately need to develop into stars, but how long will he chase the picks??

Sigh. Again, its been one season and this will be the second.

I'm not upset or doubting, just a thought that has to be asked. He's done a great job so far, but he'll need to finish. I'm not expecting championships today, but this is the last bye year...they'll need to be truly competitive in 2015. Playoffs in 2015/16 and building moving forward.

WOW, PO's next year??? really? Id be happy if they are competing for a PO spot next year. Noel will just be in his 2nd year (sophomore slump?), and it will be Embiid rookie year. Plus, whatever players we draft in 2015.

I think you need to lower your expectations a little or you will be very disappointed

[freshie2]

Plus free agents...he can't keep the cash in the mattress again next off season.

[DavidHume]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

I don't want to diss Thad BUT, this is a good deal for us. Minny is slightly overpaying for Thad.

We get a guy who is a mentor to our potential superstar, a decent backup pg, who can play the PnR, and a first that can be as high as 11. Not a bad haul for an undersize 4 who still can't dribble, is ok at defense, and has a questionable shot. Not to even mention that he is going to opt out at the end of the year.

Its not a "dance in the street" type of deal but a good deal for us, as well as you guys

I mostly agree with this, although I would temper it a bit. It's just my feeling, but I suspect that Shved will not be part of the Sixers' future. And LMAM, as far as I can tell, only does one thing well on a basketball court (he defends well). Also, while what you said about the pick is not incorrect (it can be no higher than 11), it's probably more forthcoming to say that it's likely to be somewhere between, say, 17 and 23.

The other thing is that this deal hasn't happened yet, and while it's reasonable to think that this report has teeth (the Bennett report was never compelling), it's still possible that when it goes down, there could be an additional part to it that the reporters just don't know about. I'll evaluate it after it happens, when I know for sure how it is comprised.

[phifans]

He might be twice as good, but also twice (actually almost 3x) more expensive. Also, what is the benefit of getting a good player in that kind of a deal anyway? You're not trying to compete for the playoffs, and even though I hate the concept of tanking, a few extra wins doesn't help you in any way, so why would we have wanted Lin again?

You missed my point here. Playing Lin or not doesn't matter at all. The point is to gain more picks if that's what Hinkie want. And we eventually need to spend those amount of money. Its just a matter of who we would pay.

You are not getting it. Apparently, Hinkie didn't think the Houston pick was worth the 15 million dollars it would've cost. He isn't going to take on that kind of salary at the beginning of a season. He doesn't need to get to the salary floor until the deadline, when there is only 1/3rd of the season left to pay the prorated (5 million)salary.

Think of it this way. For $10 million, Hinkie could just buy a pick in the mid-20's from any team, on draft night. And he would have teams fighting to give him the pick, if he offered that amount.

So if a first round pick is that easy to acquire as you said why would Hinkie give up a quality player for it instead of just buying one on the draft night ?
It's a really weird logic here. If you think paying 15 million to a decent player for a pick is too much then paying 7.5 million for two scrubs while giving up Thad is a huge overpay seems to me.

[OleSchool]

I must admit Hinkie is a great salesman. I am amazed he has convinced the majority of PHI's fans in this full tanking for several years process. I can't think of any other fan base that would think that trading your best player for a future #15-25 pick is actually a good deal. I hope at least you draft something decent with this pick.

I don't want to diss Thad BUT, this is a good deal for us. Minny is slightly overpaying for Thad.

We get a guy who is a mentor to our potential superstar, a decent backup pg, who can play the PnR, and a first that can be as high as 11. Not a bad haul for an undersize 4 who still can't dribble, is ok at defense, and has a questionable shot. Not to even mention that he is going to opt out at the end of the year.

Its not a "dance in the street" type of deal but a good deal for us, as well as you guys

I mostly agree with this, although I would temper it a bit. It's just my feeling, but I suspect that Shved will not be part of the Sixers' future. And LMAM, as far as I can tell, only does one thing well on a basketball court (he defends well). Also, while what you said about the pick is not incorrect (it can be no higher than 11), it's probably more forthcoming to say that it's likely to be somewhere between, say, 17 and 23.

The other thing is that this deal hasn't happened yet, and while it's reasonable to think that this report has teeth (the Bennett report was never compelling), it's still possible that when it goes down, there could be an additional part to it that the reporters just don't know about. I'll evaluate it after it happens, when I know for sure how it is comprised.

I agree, that is why i said it was a good deal, not a great deal.

LMAM also has value goes beyond the court. He will help Embiid adjust to the NBA. I could see LMAM sticking around for a few years. Again, not for BBall reasons but because of Embiid

[OleSchool]

Plus free agents...he can't keep the cash in the mattress again next off season.

But it has to be the RIGHT FA's, for examples of paying wrong FA's look across the parking lot at Ruben

[MountainDrew]

It's a really weird logic here. If you think paying 15 million to a decent player for a pick is too much then paying 7.5 million for two scrubs while giving up Thad is a huge overpay seems to me.

Well, we save 1.5 million and gain a first round pick at the cost of Thad Young. It's a little different than how you stated it.