The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[JTrain]

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

Hmm, Wiggins is exciting but I have to say... PHEW. That's a lot to give up. Laker's pick will be 7-10 range and Goodwin could still turn out a great player.

[JMac1]

My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love. We were told flat out 'no' that a deal as in place.

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

My local contact from AZ said we were out of it as well.

That said. Not all people are on the same page. All the time my two sources with legitimate info disagree or conflict. Rayray may be right.

I'm told absolutely no to both. And we are still in the waiting game with Bledsoe.

Thank God the said no..... Waaaaay too much for a guy that I am not diggin'. Lakers 1st, Goodwin, Green, and Bledsoe...

[Christine-In-AZ]

My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love. We were told flat out 'no' that a deal as in place.

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

My local contact from AZ said we were out of it as well.

That said. Not all people are on the same page. All the time my two sources with legitimate info disagree or conflict. Rayray may be right.

I'm told absolutely no to both. And we are still in the waiting game with Bledsoe.

Wow! I'm really starting to question McD's and Babby's intelligence...and just basic common sense. Duhh guys...why did you even try to make an offer for Love via Bledsoe?? Paul wasn't going to derail the Love train to Cleveland, no how no way. It would be Lebron business suicide for him. On top of that, Lebron would "divorce" his buddy Eric too. THere was no point in even thinking about this deal.

McD must have a screw loose or something wrong with him. Maybe this summer is getting to him also!

We offered this deal for Wiggins to Minny, not Cleveland.

Maybe I read it wrong but I took- "My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love." meant we tried to make a deal with MInnesota for Love, which would mean trying to steal LOve away from Lebron, and that could never happen given the agent/friendships involved. Again, maybe I'm reading this post incorrectly.

[King4Day]

My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love. We were told flat out 'no' that a deal as in place.

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

My local contact from AZ said we were out of it as well.

That said. Not all people are on the same page. All the time my two sources with legitimate info disagree or conflict. Rayray may be right.

I'm told absolutely no to both. And we are still in the waiting game with Bledsoe.

That's not a bad offer. Goes to show Minny is seriously infatuated with Wiggins.
I wish we could have gotten him but good for them. They finally made a move that experts and fans agree with.

[Revived]

This is why I love Steve Nash

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... -good-way/

[jredsaz]

The advanced stats would say otherwise. Hill is not a great player by any stretch but his perimeter defense is superb and his 3 point shooting is above average.

Again playing in an uptempo system in PHO would help his game a lot.

He's not terrible, but absence of a true floor general is part of why Indiana couldn't close out Miami.

We also need to put to rest this uptempo system myth. Not every player can play in it and play well. I'm not saying HIll can or can't. I don't know. I do know we need to stop assuming players will come here and play better than their previous stops just because it's a more player friendly system.

Agreed. Hill is not a true floor general. That is why, addressing your second criticism, he would fit well into the system.

Suns were second worst in assists per game and Dragic their leading assist man was at 5.9 for the season. The system is not predicted on half court sets and assists generated by floor generals.

If the Suns hope to improve in the half court they need to become a better passing team as a whole and develop a consistent low post threat.

But I don't believe the Suns need a Nash style, ball dominant, high assist PG to be successful. A player with Hill's skill set, a skill set similar to Bledsoe's, will serve the Suns well.

[JTrain]

I can see the Wolves going either way. I can see them surprising people and slipping into the 8th seed (which would be good for us in the draft) but I can also see them winning 30 games. Bennett and Lavine are summer league stars that could turn out to be very mediocre NBA players this season. Wiggins could take 2-3 years to be at a high level.

It will be fun watching them the first few games at least.

[gaspar]

Wow! I'm really starting to question McD's and Babby's intelligence...and just basic common sense. Duhh guys...why did you even try to make an offer for Love via Bledsoe?? Paul wasn't going to derail the Love train to Cleveland, no how no way. It would be Lebron business suicide for him. On top of that, Lebron would "divorce" his buddy Eric too. THere was no point in even thinking about this deal.

McD must have a screw loose or something wrong with him. Maybe this summer is getting to him also!

We offered this deal for Wiggins to Minny, not Cleveland.

Maybe I read it wrong but I took- "My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love." meant we tried to make a deal with MInnesota for Love, which would mean trying to steal LOve away from Lebron, and that could never happen given the agent/friendships involved. Again, maybe I'm reading this post incorrectly.

Wat?

[JMac1]

Those that think they will struggle next season I think are badly mistaken. I fully expect them to have a better record that our Phoenix Suns. They have added four very exciting players to that group which still has some decent veterans. .

Your name must be Puff for a reason! Exciting doesn't equal good. Lavine....Wiggins.....Bennett?!!!! OMG look out league Oops... Rubio... too wow!!

[JMac1]

Cavs fan here...
No way this trade happens. Why would Minnesota want Bledsoe who's already had injury concerns and would be a on a max contract? It would be kinda hard to sell Bledsoe as the hope and future to Wolves fan lol. Plus Cavs and Wolves are really high on their rookies. Lavine looked good in SL and is an amazing athlete. People are also throwing in Dion Waiters like he's a scrub or something but it was his 2nd year in the league and if you look at the stats post all star break he basically was Eric Bledsoe minus a rebound and an assist. Check it out yourself http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_ ... on-waiters Then when you add Wiggins and Bennett and etc it starts geting comical. We're only trading Wiggins and Bennett cause Love is a premiere top 10 NBA player. Minnesota wouldn't trade until the All-Star break this year if they didn't get an offer like this. This is just perfectly setup for these 2 teams right now.

Well I am a bird in the hand kind of guy. If you want to win now, Bledsoe and Green are definitely better than Lavine, Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters..... Waiters is a knuckle head and those other guys haven't done jack and they have a whole lot of questions about there game, period.

I just think it is dumb for Minny to give Bledsoe all of that money instead of allowing those guys to develop.

What exactly would Minnesota be winning though with Bledsoe? The 12th seed?

More than they would with that package of hot unproven garbage from Cleveland Why do you think Cleveland gave it up?! Bennet=scrub as of now. Wiggins=rookie with ZERO handles and shooting ability. Zach Lavine= serious?!

[MGA]

My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love. We were told flat out 'no' that a deal as in place.

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

My local contact from AZ said we were out of it as well.

That said. Not all people are on the same page. All the time my two sources with legitimate info disagree or conflict. Rayray may be right.

I'm told absolutely no to both. And we are still in the waiting game with Bledsoe.

Wow! I'm really starting to question McD's and Babby's intelligence...and just basic common sense. Duhh guys...why did you even try to make an offer for Love via Bledsoe?? Paul wasn't going to derail the Love train to Cleveland, no how no way. It would be Lebron business suicide for him. On top of that, Lebron would "divorce" his buddy Eric too. THere was no point in even thinking about this deal.

McD must have a screw loose or something wrong with him. Maybe this summer is getting to him also!

Yeah but that doesn't mean it's not worth trying. Offers this far fetched are made all the time. Believe it or not, the public doesn't hear about every single trade offer. You know that the majority of offers never actually leak, right? I promise that way more ridiculous and dumb trades have been proposed in the past by many others.

Plus you never know - lets not forget about the gasol trade.







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[JTrain]

Like I said, this has been one hell of a disappointing offseason. Every team has gotten better, but us. I don't want to hear not making any moves is a good move from us, because it's not. I think resigning Bledsoe from day one would have been a different story, now we have a player that doesn't want to play in Phoenix and top players that didn't decide Phoenix. Our assets just wasn't enough for any upgrades.

The only thing left are extensions to Dragic, Morris brothers, and Green. If we walk into next season with all three being free agents, deja vu all over again.

I have to agree. With the current roster, anything over 40 wins is over achieving. I love coach Jeff but I don't think he has the pieces to get the same results as last year.

Thinking the suns can get even close to 50 wins is just the homer inside someone. It's great to be a homer but sometimes you have to be somewhat realistic.

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Are you predicting at or under 40 wins with Bledsoe? Because it looks like a 90% chance he will be here.

We lose something with Frye but we gain a lot upgrading from Ish to IT. I think 45-49 wins is realistic.

[AtheJ415]

If we get Wiggins you do it. Some people may not believe he'll be a star, but some people doubted every star that's ever been. Wiggins has the ceiling, and you take that chance. If we give up a disgruntled, injury-plagued very good player, a role player, a pick, and an unproven youngster, you do it. The problem I'd see is more that Dragic would probably be more likely to leave in FA if the team traded his running partner and a couple guys who are better now for someone with upside who can help down the line.

[dgwdum]

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

Hmm, Wiggins is exciting but I have to say... PHEW. That's a lot to give up. Laker's pick will be 7-10 range and Goodwin could still turn out a great player.

no one available in the 7-10 range in next year's draft will have as much potential as wiggins though. Mudiay is the only guy who could challenge wiggins for top pick if wiggins had gone in next year's draft as well.

[JTrain]

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

Hmm, Wiggins is exciting but I have to say... PHEW. That's a lot to give up. Laker's pick will be 7-10 range and Goodwin could still turn out a great player.

no one available in the 7-10 range in next year's draft will have as much potential as wiggins though. Mudiay is the only guy who could challenge wiggins for top pick if wiggins had gone in next year's draft as well.

Yeah but it's not just the pick for Wiggins straight up.

[JTrain]

If we get Wiggins you do it. Some people may not believe he'll be a star, but some people doubted every star that's ever been. Wiggins has the ceiling, and you take that chance. If we give up a disgruntled, injury-plagued very good player, a role player, a pick, and an unproven youngster, you do it. The problem I'd see is more that Dragic would probably be more likely to leave in FA if the team traded his running partner and a couple guys who are better now for someone with upside who can help down the line.

It's a huge risk. If he turns out only to be decent, you're going to be mediocre for years. And even if he's a star, you've given up a lot of talent and you could still be a mid-tier team in the West.

[JTrain]

Let's say he takes the QO. Many have suggested not playing him much since he is likely to bolt next off-season. But the other option would be to play him and try to repair the relationship. We can still give the best offer next season. I think we might as well go for the playoffs while he's here and hope we can do something to make him warm up to the place before the season is over.

I know people are angry and don't want anything to do with him, but it's probably the smartest route.

[JTrain]

I believe NotTraxxe predicted he wouldn't take the QO. Would be interested to hear what ray ray's sources are predicting. Is the FO under the impression that he's just posturing and won't turn down the 48?

[SSOL]

Wouldn't that mean that Bledsoe agreed to sign and go to the wolves?

[MilotheSlayer]

If it comes down to the qualifying off we might as well give him a 6mil 1 year deal. Take away his trade rejecting ability.