The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[AtheJ415]

If we get Wiggins you do it. Some people may not believe he'll be a star, but some people doubted every star that's ever been. Wiggins has the ceiling, and you take that chance. If we give up a disgruntled, injury-plagued very good player, a role player, a pick, and an unproven youngster, you do it. The problem I'd see is more that Dragic would probably be more likely to leave in FA if the team traded his running partner and a couple guys who are better now for someone with upside who can help down the line.

It's a huge risk. If he turns out only to be decent, you're going to be mediocre for years. And even if he's a star, you've given up a lot of talent and you could still be a mid-tier team in the West.

Bledsoe is a risk--injury, chemistry, and otherwise. Green is a FA next year and is our 4th best guard. Goodwin is our 5th best guard and probably won't play significant minutes until his rookie deal is up. Let's not pretend like what we're giving up is riskless. Getting a star potential SF while giving up our 2nd, 4th, and 5th best guards isn't a lose situation imo.

[blee732]

if EB takes the QO we'll be at $41M as a team (according to Hoopshype) this coming season, freakin $16M below the minimum we have to pay overall.

Any thoughts on what our options are? We could take 1-2 contracts off another team's books if they're looking to tank next year, perhaps West from the Pacers or one of the bigs from the Grizz if they decide to shift toward rebuilding.

[Damkac]

Like I said, this has been one hell of a disappointing offseason. Every team has gotten better, but us. I don't want to hear not making any moves is a good move from us, because it's not. I think resigning Bledsoe from day one would have been a different story, now we have a player that doesn't want to play in Phoenix and top players that didn't decide Phoenix. Our assets just wasn't enough for any upgrades.

The only thing left are extensions to Dragic, Morris brothers, and Green. If we walk into next season with all three being free agents, deja vu all over again.

I have to agree. With the current roster, anything over 40 wins is over achieving. I love coach Jeff but I don't think he has the pieces to get the same results as last year.

Thinking the suns can get even close to 50 wins is just the homer inside someone. It's great to be a homer but sometimes you have to be somewhat realistic.

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Yes, every team has gotten better, especially Miami, Houston and Pacers Mayby it's not great offseason but I wouldn't call it terrible. Too bad Bledsoe is such a d***. But it doesn't mean every player extension will cause so much crap.
Anything over 40 wins would be over archieving? Year before everybody was thinking that not being the worst team in the west would be over archieving. I belive Suns won't be worst than last season. Especially which improved Markieff and Len destroying everybody in the paint

If Eric will take QO wouldn't he be very valuable for any contender willing to win now? Hard to find better player for 3.7. Mayby he could be traded for example to OKC for Perry Jones and/or Lamb + some picks?

[Christine-In-AZ]

We offered this deal for Wiggins to Minny, not Cleveland.

Maybe I read it wrong but I took- "My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love." meant we tried to make a deal with MInnesota for Love, which would mean trying to steal LOve away from Lebron, and that could never happen given the agent/friendships involved. Again, maybe I'm reading this post incorrectly.

Wat?

Paul is friend and agent of Lebron. Lebron is close friends with Bledsoe. Bledsoe's agent is Paul. The Love deal to the Cavs and Lebron was in place. For the Suns to acquire Love using a Bledsoe SnT, it would require Bledsoe and Paul to agree to the sign and trade. No Love for Lebron (pun semi-intended).

(ring...ring)

James- "hey...it's Lebron"

Paul- "Dude, I got Eric a deal ...a max sign and trade!"

James- "Cool! Where?"

Paul- "T-Wolves"

James- "What did they send the Suns?"

Paul- "KLove"

James- "You stupid mother f*****! You screwed up the plan...you're fired! And tell Eric I'm beyond pissed...and to enjoy January in Minnesota"

[DirtyDez]

I've been defending Bledsoe's stance but the whole thing about not returning calls looks unprofessional on their part. The Suns have to be frustrated and disappointed since they went to a lot of work to aquire him in a 3-team trade. Then he has a career year and the Suns shatter expectations. Now he's just ignoring them.

Unless they agree on a longterm deal I think the Suns will cut ties. Bringing him back for one season with one thought on his mind could hurt chemistry. We gave up nothing for him so any positive asset in return like a decent 1st-rounder and we can call it even. Still hope he comes around and signs the extension.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I've been defending Bledsoe's stance but the whole thing about not returning calls looks unprofessional on their part. The Suns have to be frustrated and disappointed since they went to a lot of work to aquire him in a 3-team trade. Then he has a career year and the Suns shatter expectations. Now he's just ignoring them.

Unless they agree on a longterm deal I think the Suns will cut ties. Bringing him back for one season with one thought on his mind could hurt chemistry. We gave up nothing for him so any positive asset in return like a decent 1st-rounder and we can call it even. Still hope he comes around and signs the extension.

Well, at a minimum, we know now they (Paul and/or Bledsoe) are talking to the Suns. Agreeing to a SnT in the rejected T-Wolve's deal proves that fact (2 RGM insiders with multiple sources). PLus there's still plenty of time before his free agency truly becomes a problem.

Just pretend everyone involved is on vacation until September 20th. 10 days will be enough time, but not enough to dick around much like they're doing now.

[BobbieL]

Like I said, this has been one hell of a disappointing offseason. Every team has gotten better, but us. I don't want to hear not making any moves is a good move from us, because it's not. I think resigning Bledsoe from day one would have been a different story, now we have a player that doesn't want to play in Phoenix and top players that didn't decide Phoenix. Our assets just wasn't enough for any upgrades.

The only thing left are extensions to Dragic, Morris brothers, and Green. If we walk into next season with all three being free agents, deja vu all over again.

Yes, it has been disappointing to to have three firsts, cap space up the ying yang and to date, make a couple draft picks, get PJ back (only to have him go extreme DUI), and sign Thomas.

That being said - I think it was a heckuva lot better offseason than 2010 when Sarver panicked with guys like Childress, Warrick and Turkoglu. The Suns still have cap space, they still have draft picks and they still might be able to do something. It is what it is but don't do something stupid to do something. I am okay with the Suns not being stupid this offseason.

Suns have been fair to Bledsoe. He and his agent are not realistic about the CURRENT market. And if Bledsoe wants to take the QO and earn his max contract, that's his option. Me, I think he is leaving between 45 and 50m on the table (who knows if the Suns would have gone to 52/4, but there is no reason for them to move now). And if he wants 3.7m this year - go earn 45m three year deal in the summer of 2015. Personally, I hope we move him.

As for the Love and Wiggins deals - worth phone calls. Even if they didn't happen.

RayRay and NotTraxxe - always appreciate the insights.

[Years90Suns]

I do not understand why the trede was not re-composed to end with Bledsoe going to the Cavs, who also would receive Love, Irving going to the Wolves, the Wiggins coming here.

Didn't Dan Gilbert want to pay Bledsoe max money neither?

[AtheJ415]

I'm not sure why everyone is so down on this offseason. Yes, it sucks not to get a max guy, but we lost only Channing Frye and gained Isaiah Thomas and 2 firsts who at worst will give us better depth than last year (Ennis>>Ish, Warren>>whoever you would call our 3rd string SF). We're a better team than we were last year. Thomas is on a different planet than Frye, and I believe Markieff will be able to provide some improved shooting to help make up for that loss. Either way, can anyone honestly claim that if we could trade Frye for Thomas at $6 mill a year they would've rejected that deal? Really?

[King4Day]

I do not understand why the trede was not re-composed to end with Bledsoe going to the Cavs, who also would receive Love, Irving going to the Wolves, the Wiggins coming here.

Didn't Dan Gilbert want to pay Bledsoe max money neither?

Irving can't be traded until January since he signed his new deal. That was never going to be an option. I do think Bledsoe and his D would fit much better there though.

[King4Day]

I'm not sure why everyone is so down on this offseason. Yes, it sucks not to get a max guy, but we lost only Channing Frye and gained Isaiah Thomas and 2 firsts who at worst will give us better depth than last year (Ennis>>Ish, Warren>>whoever you would call our 3rd string SF). We're a better team than we were last year. Thomas is on a different planet than Frye, and I believe Markieff will be able to provide some improved shooting to help make up for that loss. Either way, can anyone honestly claim that if we could trade Frye for Thomas at $6 mill a year they would've rejected that deal? Really?

I think the problem remains to be Bledsoe. If we sign him to a long term deal, then most people, myself included, will find this offseason was a relative success.
But if he takes the QO, we've ultimately taken a step back.

[SSOL]

Frye is a huge, huge loss.

[tgtm_24]

Frye is a huge, huge loss.

I disagree. The natural improvement of the group will more than make up for it.

[BobbieL]

I'm not sure why everyone is so down on this offseason. Yes, it sucks not to get a max guy, but we lost only Channing Frye and gained Isaiah Thomas and 2 firsts who at worst will give us better depth than last year (Ennis>>Ish, Warren>>whoever you would call our 3rd string SF). We're a better team than we were last year. Thomas is on a different planet than Frye, and I believe Markieff will be able to provide some improved shooting to help make up for that loss. Either way, can anyone honestly claim that if we could trade Frye for Thomas at $6 mill a year they would've rejected that deal? Really?

I think the problem remains to be Bledsoe. If we sign him to a long term deal, then most people, myself included, will find this offseason was a relative success.
But if he takes the QO, we've ultimately taken a step back.

Yep - losing Bledsoe would be a big blow and tough to recover from. That being said, at this point, it might be the better long term move

[DirtyDez]

I've been defending Bledsoe's stance but the whole thing about not returning calls looks unprofessional on their part. The Suns have to be frustrated and disappointed since they went to a lot of work to aquire him in a 3-team trade. Then he has a career year and the Suns shatter expectations. Now he's just ignoring them.

Unless they agree on a longterm deal I think the Suns will cut ties. Bringing him back for one season with one thought on his mind could hurt chemistry. We gave up nothing for him so any positive asset in return like a decent 1st-rounder and we can call it even. Still hope he comes around and signs the extension.

Well, at a minimum, we know now they (Paul and/or Bledsoe) are talking to the Suns. Agreeing to a SnT in the rejected T-Wolve's deal proves that fact (2 RGM insiders with multiple sources). PLus there's still plenty of time before his free agency truly becomes a problem.

Just pretend everyone involved is on vacation until September 20th. 10 days will be enough time, but not enough to dick around much like they're doing now.

Ah, so they're only communicating if he's possibly being traded...

[JTrain]

if EB takes the QO we'll be at $41M as a team (according to Hoopshype) this coming season, freakin $16M below the minimum we have to pay overall.

Any thoughts on what our options are? We could take 1-2 contracts off another team's books if they're looking to tank next year, perhaps West from the Pacers or one of the bigs from the Grizz if they decide to shift toward rebuilding.

I don't think that includes pj, which puts us around 48. Still shy of 57 needed though.

[bwgood77]

My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love. We were told flat out 'no' that a deal as in place.

We offered Bledsoe (max S&T), Green, Goodwin, and Laker's 1st or Wiggins+. We were told no.

My local contact from AZ said we were out of it as well.

That said. Not all people are on the same page. All the time my two sources with legitimate info disagree or conflict. Rayray may be right.

I'm told absolutely no to both. And we are still in the waiting game with Bledsoe.

Yeah, I was guessing we likely tried to get something done for Love and I'm sure a lot of calls from teams were made regarding Wiggins too, and will be made going forward.

The trade in it's form that was lined out wouldn't work for Minnesota though as they are over the cap (before and after the Cleveland trade) and couldn't take back more salary than they sent out, so would have HAD to take someone like Martin or Pek back. With McD knowing the cap implications, obviously that had to be part of our proposed deal too and we still likely got the phone hung up on us. Always worth a try though.

[bwgood77]

Maybe I read it wrong but I took- "My source with the "Mothership" advised we made an offer for Love." meant we tried to make a deal with MInnesota for Love, which would mean trying to steal LOve away from Lebron, and that could never happen given the agent/friendships involved. Again, maybe I'm reading this post incorrectly.

I agree it would make ZERO sense for Rich Paul to do it, but he can't control what Minnesota wants to do. Making calls about trades are worth a shot even if there is less than a 1% chance of it happening.

[RandomVillain]

So, if Bledsoe takes the QO and stays, or just actually stays. Do you expect Boo's from the crowd at the home opener? I know I won't feel like cheering in any way..... unless you know he hits a game winner then cool. Other than that. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Sunsdeuce]

Frye is a huge, huge loss.

I disagree. The natural improvement of the group will more than make up for it.

Huh?!? That not how it works. Good teams always find ways to improve their roster.


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