The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[Sunsss]

So, if Bledsoe takes the QO and stays, or just actually stays. Do you expect Boo's from the crowd at the home opener? I know I won't feel like cheering in any way..... unless you know he hits a game winner then cool. Other than that. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I hope not.

[bwgood77]

I'm not sure why everyone is so down on this offseason. Yes, it sucks not to get a max guy, but we lost only Channing Frye and gained Isaiah Thomas and 2 firsts who at worst will give us better depth than last year (Ennis>>Ish, Warren>>whoever you would call our 3rd string SF). We're a better team than we were last year. Thomas is on a different planet than Frye, and I believe Markieff will be able to provide some improved shooting to help make up for that loss. Either way, can anyone honestly claim that if we could trade Frye for Thomas at $6 mill a year they would've rejected that deal? Really?

I'm not really that down about it. I think losing Frye could really hurt Dragic's game, but we'll see how they work it out. Hornacek never seems to disappoint me.

I like our draft choices (I thought Ennis stock dropped way too much, but I still would have Harris there at the time. If we lose Bledsoe, though, the Ennis pick is solid).

But I also still feel like Bledsoe and his agent are bluffing about taking the QO. I will still be shocked if they do. I won't believe they will until they officially accept it. There really is zero reason to believe as time passes by that there is THAT much of a greater chance that he takes it. They probably feel that we will cave in at the last minute and give him a lot more money.

I still won't be surprised if we win fewer games than last season though even with a healthy Bledsoe, just because the West will be even tougher, there will probably be fewer injuries to star players, teams are familiar with our style, plexiglass principle, etc.

I just hope if we win fewer games this year people don't start blaming Hornacek which often happens when a team overachieves early.

We are still a young team and if we add a couple more lottery picks to the team as the young guys grow and get better under Hornacek, that's fine by me.

I'm really glad we didn't waste cap space on guys that wouldn't have made us that much better and are probably past their prime, like Deng. It was basically Love or bust. The IT signing was probably the best signing all summer.

[dgwdum]

Frye is a huge, huge loss.

I disagree. The natural improvement of the group will more than make up for it.

How much improvement is left though? Dragic and green might have peeked so who might take a jump? Markieff? That's the only guy I can think of that can greatly improve and make a legitimate impact.

[SSOL]

The stretch ability was huge. Markieff started playing better when we stopped shooting threes and took advantage of the mid range. We will miss Frye.

[bwgood77]

So, if Bledsoe takes the QO and stays, or just actually stays. Do you expect Boo's from the crowd at the home opener? I know I won't feel like cheering in any way..... unless you know he hits a game winner then cool. Other than that. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No, it's just business. Maybe if he takes the QO there will be some boos, but I don't think he will take the QO. For all we know, he still really hopes he plays in Phx but people are telling him to hold out. If he signs a 4 year deal, and brings it, people will cheer.

Of course either way if he is obviously intentionally dogging it and stuff, people will start booing.

[DirtyDez]

The stretch ability was huge. Markieff started playing better when we stopped shooting threes and took advantage of the mid range. We will miss Frye.

They'll have to make up for it with rebounding. More boards = more possessions

Besides I think Frye was declining. We will see.

[Revived]

The stretch ability was huge. Markieff started playing better when we stopped shooting threes and took advantage of the mid range. We will miss Frye.

They'll have to make up for it with rebounding. More boards = more possessions

Besides I think Frye was declining. We will see.

He's getting up there in ago also. Wouldn't surprise me if he battles all kinds of injury and fatigue problems in Orlando.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Who would you guys rather get from Houston for Bledsoe, Motiejunas or Jones? At first I thought I'd rather have Jones, but I feel like his ceiling is much lower in comparison to Motiejunas. Another thing against Jones would be that he is a tweener, whereas Motiejunas has amazing size for his position. Imagine if we got Motiejunas and Alex Len pans out, our front court would be a monster to go up against. DMo also has the potential to be a stretch 4 which everyone seems to love. I'd keep an eye out for him during the world cup.

[Sunsdeuce]

I hope everyone is ready for Bledsoe to verbally trash the suns organization once he is traded.


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[SSOL]

I hope everyone is ready for Bledsoe to verbally trash the suns organization once he is traded.


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He won't be traded.

[Sunsdeuce]

I hope everyone is ready for Bledsoe to verbally trash the suns organization once he is traded.


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He won't be traded.

Lol, sure.

Anyway.....Arizona Rattlers........3 peat!


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[DirtyDez]

I hope everyone is ready for Bledsoe to verbally trash the suns organization once he is traded.


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He won't be traded.

Lol, sure.

Anyway.....Arizona Rattlers........3 peat!


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Woot! Ready for the big boys tho...

If it wasn't for Dumbass Daryl Washington I think they'd be legit SB contenders. Dockett is replaceable on-the-field but they'll miss his leadership.

[Sunsdeuce]

He won't be traded.

Lol, sure.

Anyway.....Arizona Rattlers........3 peat!


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Woot! Ready for the big boys tho...

If it wasn't for Dumbass Daryl Washington I think they'd be legit SB contenders. Dockett is replaceable on-the-field but they'll miss his leadership.

Totally agree. Docketts production can be and will be replaced. What can't be replaced is the motivation and passion he brings to the defense.

But I still have hope we are contenders. I believe in Arians. Arizona is lucky to have him. NO FLY ZONE!!

And the offense is LOADED!


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[Kerrsed]

Who would you guys rather get from Houston for Bledsoe, Motiejunas or Jones? At first I thought I'd rather have Jones, but I feel like his ceiling is much lower in comparison to Motiejunas. Another thing against Jones would be that he is a tweener, whereas Motiejunas has amazing size for his position. Imagine if we got Motiejunas and Alex Len pans out, our front court would be a monster to go up against. DMo also has the potential to be a stretch 4 which everyone seems to love. I'd keep an eye out for him during the world cup.

I always thought that Motie was going to do great in the league, but that still hasnt come to fruition. I remember there were alot of Dirk/Bargnani comparisons, but the kid has 2 huge holes in his game. For being 7 feet tall he is a horrible defender and an even worse rebounder. Thats 2 areas that he should excel at with his height yet he doesnt.

While i do believe that he has a higher ceiling than Jones, i am very very skeptical that he will ever reach that ceiling.

As for Jones...... im just kinda meh! I dont think he is better than Keif. I think he is an average PF in this league. He does play better in a more uptempo system (Houston before D-12), but one thing that i like in my PF's is defense, and Jones is not a good defender. This link hit the nail on the head and will explain:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2118 ... on-rockets

Now if you are too lazy to click the link and read for about 3 minutes, here is the gist of it. This is from game one of the play-offs with Jones guarding Aldridge for the entire game:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/459376230119505920[/tweet]

Thats bad. Real bad. Now i know that Aldridge is one of the leagues best PF's and plenty players have trouble defending him, but c'mon, letting Aldridge go off for 46 and 43 points in the 1st two games of the playoffs, on 59 percent shooting over 59 shots. Houston made the adjustment of pulling Jones from the starting line-up and cutting his minutes for the rest of the series in favor of play Asik at PF.

Honestly, looking at Houstons roster, the only assets that i like are Capella and the Pelicans 1st. That wouldnt be enough for me to move Bledsoe, not even close. Any trade with Houston is us receiving a Pu-Pu platter of players, with a major emphasis on the POO-POO.

If i had to choose between the two, it would be Jones. At least he has shown a few flashes of potential and has had a few good games.

[AtheJ415]

I'm not sure why everyone is so down on this offseason. Yes, it sucks not to get a max guy, but we lost only Channing Frye and gained Isaiah Thomas and 2 firsts who at worst will give us better depth than last year (Ennis>>Ish, Warren>>whoever you would call our 3rd string SF). We're a better team than we were last year. Thomas is on a different planet than Frye, and I believe Markieff will be able to provide some improved shooting to help make up for that loss. Either way, can anyone honestly claim that if we could trade Frye for Thomas at $6 mill a year they would've rejected that deal? Really?

I think the problem remains to be Bledsoe. If we sign him to a long term deal, then most people, myself included, will find this offseason was a relative success.
But if he takes the QO, we've ultimately taken a step back.

Fair enough, but does anyone honestly think he'll take the QO? It's not like other players such as Monroe taking the QO. Monroe's QO is about 8-9 mil I believe. Bledsoe's is 3. To take the 3 mil with a 12 mil offer sitting there is to sacrifice 9 mil this year. To get a max, which is just about 3-4 more per season, it would take him 3 years to make up that difference, and by putting off his new deal for a year he loses out on being a FA again even sooner. It's essentially gambling $48 mil to win $6 mil, and that's only if he's able to get a max next year which likely won't happen.

I think Paul is awful at his job, and while I don't think he's the smartest person in the world, I'd be shocked if he was stupid enough to gamble $48 mil to win $6. That's what this comes down to.

In my opinion, short of Bledsoe happily accepting our $12 mil offer at the outset, this has gone as well as possible for Phoenix. Bledsoe hasn't received an offer better than ours that he's actually accepted. He misplayed his hand and has backed himself into a corner. The only way we don't end up with Bledsoe at a cheap deal relative to what was projected prior to FA is if his agent compounds that mistake by actually letting him sign the QO.

[Zelaznyrules]

Lol, sure.

Anyway.....Arizona Rattlers........3 peat!


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Woot! Ready for the big boys tho...

If it wasn't for Dumbass Daryl Washington I think they'd be legit SB contenders. Dockett is replaceable on-the-field but they'll miss his leadership.

Totally agree. Docketts production can be and will be replaced. What can't be replaced is the motivation and passion he brings to the defense.

But I still have hope we are contenders. I believe in Arians. Arizona is lucky to have him. NO FLY ZONE!!

And the offense is LOADED!


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Dockett frequently drew the double team, who is going to do that now? He's a tougher loss than most people seem to realize. But I'd feel a lot better about replacing him if we hadn't also lost Dansby and Washington from last year's squad. It's also too early to know whether Alameda or Tyrann will return to form, and when.

Maybe everything will work out but I'm starting to think that my dream of the Suns and the Cardinals winning it all in the same season might not be coming true any time soon. Fortunately I still have the Diamondbacks (that's sarcasm btw).

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Whoever is talking about Frye being a big loss is an idiot

Frye is not a good basketball player and only had a good season when amare drew double teams

Frye cannot be a leader or lead a team !

Dragic will be fine.

Markieff Morris is a better player than true and I am not a Mprris fan

[AtheJ415]

The stretch ability was huge. Markieff started playing better when we stopped shooting threes and took advantage of the mid range. We will miss Frye.

I think it mattered but people are overstating it's impact/difficulty to replace. We added another capable stretch player in Tolliver. Truth is if Frye was that valued to the team then we would've matched the offer and kept him here. We have a ton of cap space yet still let him walk. Why? Because the team doesn't value his skills to that great an extent, or else thinks he's replaceable with a guy like Tolliver. I just don't think the world is falling to the extent some are who claim we will be lucky to win 40 games. We have the best back court in the entire league.

[Zelaznyrules]

Whoever is talking about Frye being a big loss is an idiot

Frye is not a good basketball player and only had a good season when amare drew double teams

Frye cannot be a leader or lead a team !

Dragic will be fine.

Markieff Morris is a better player than true and I am not a Mprris fan

I have to tell ya, I absolutely love being called an idiot. Frye is a big loss, evident to most of us that watched the games last year. He was a perfect fit for Dragic and our offense and even when his game collapsed the last two months of the season, just the threat of him getting hot kept us in many games. I'm looking forward to not having to watch that collapse again but Jeff will have his hands full trying to duplicate what Frye gave us. Sure, we can move Markieff out to the three point line for spacing but he wasn't much of a basketball player the last time we used him that way.

[Sunsdeuce]

Whoever is talking about Frye being a big loss is an idiot

Frye is not a good basketball player and only had a good season when amare drew double teams

Frye cannot be a leader or lead a team !

Dragic will be fine.

Markieff Morris is a better player than true and I am not a Mprris fan

I have to tell ya, I absolutely love being called an idiot. Frye is a big loss, evident to most of us that watched the games last year. He was a perfect fit for Dragic and our offense and even when his game collapsed the last two months of the season, just the threat of him getting hot kept us in many games. I'm looking forward to not having to watch that collapse again but Jeff will have his hands full trying to duplicate what Frye gave us. Sure, we can move Markieff out to the three point line for spacing but he wasn't much of a basketball player the last time we used him that way.

Exactly. Even gentry said frye was a huge loss when he was out a season.


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