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Post#1421 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:58 am

NCHeels2008 wrote:good to see plumlee make the olympic team, he's clearly one of the best american power fowards in today's game, wouldn't be surprised if he started making the all star team soon


I think people are underrating the Nets severely this upcoming year. IF, and its a huge IF Lopez can stay healthy with Plumlee, Johnson and Williams thats a very solid squad.
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Post#1422 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:33 am

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NCHeels2008 wrote:good to see plumlee make the olympic team, he's clearly one of the best american power fowards in today's game, wouldn't be surprised if he started making the all star team soon


I think people are underrating the Nets severely this upcoming year. IF, and its a huge IF Lopez can stay healthy with Plumlee, Johnson and Williams thats a very solid squad.

Lopez is a big if and they lost there 4 and 5 scorers and the guy who IMO was the most important guy on the team. Livingston moving into that starting lineup really made that team go. I think they could be in huge trouble next season.
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Post#1423 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:34 am

NCHeels2008 wrote:good to see plumlee make the olympic team, he's clearly one of the best american power fowards in today's game, wouldn't be surprised if he started making the all star team soon

What a recruiting tool for Coach K. Look you can be mediocre but I control the roster and can get you on the international team if you just come play at Duke. That was such a blatant ploy to recruit it isn't even funny.
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Post#1424 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:52 am

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NCHeels2008 wrote:good to see plumlee make the olympic team, he's clearly one of the best american power fowards in today's game, wouldn't be surprised if he started making the all star team soon

What a recruiting tool for Coach K. Look you can be mediocre but I control the roster and can get you on the international team if you just come play at Duke. That was such a blatant ploy to recruit it isn't even funny.


Duke doesn't need any help recruiting, at all.
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Post#1425 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:52 am

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NCHeels2008 wrote:good to see plumlee make the olympic team, he's clearly one of the best american power fowards in today's game, wouldn't be surprised if he started making the all star team soon


I think people are underrating the Nets severely this upcoming year. IF, and its a huge IF Lopez can stay healthy with Plumlee, Johnson and Williams thats a very solid squad.

Lopez is a big if and they lost there 4 and 5 scorers and the guy who IMO was the most important guy on the team. Livingston moving into that starting lineup really made that team go. I think they could be in huge trouble next season.


Agreed about Livingston. Completely forgot they lost him.
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Post#1426 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:07 am

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NCHeels2008 wrote:good to see plumlee make the olympic team, he's clearly one of the best american power fowards in today's game, wouldn't be surprised if he started making the all star team soon

What a recruiting tool for Coach K. Look you can be mediocre but I control the roster and can get you on the international team if you just come play at Duke. That was such a blatant ploy to recruit it isn't even funny.


Duke doesn't need any help recruiting, at all.

Maybe we now know why. He obviously doesn't belong and without K would not have made the team.
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Post#1427 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:57 am

jdm3 wrote:
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jdm3 wrote:What a recruiting tool for Coach K. Look you can be mediocre but I control the roster and can get you on the international team if you just come play at Duke. That was such a blatant ploy to recruit it isn't even funny.


Duke doesn't need any help recruiting, at all.

Maybe we now know why. He obviously doesn't belong and without K would not have made the team.


lol, ok.
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Post#1429 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:21 am

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jdm3 wrote:
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Duke doesn't need any help recruiting, at all.

Maybe we now know why. He obviously doesn't belong and without K would not have made the team.


lol, ok.

I am half joking about the recruiting but Mason doesn't sniff the team without having been a Duke player. It does look awfully bad for team USA.
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Post#1430 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:16 am

jdm3 wrote:
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jdm3 wrote:Maybe we now know why. He obviously doesn't belong and without K would not have made the team.


lol, ok.

I am half joking about the recruiting but Mason doesn't sniff the team without having been a Duke player. It does look awfully bad for team USA.


Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.
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Post#1431 » by NCHeels2008 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:21 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
lol, ok.

I am half joking about the recruiting but Mason doesn't sniff the team without having been a Duke player. It does look awfully bad for team USA.


Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.


Role players don't go to the Olympics unless they have an elite skill, i would LOVE to know Plumlee's elite skill.
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Post#1432 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:30 am

NCHeels2008 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I am half joking about the recruiting but Mason doesn't sniff the team without having been a Duke player. It does look awfully bad for team USA.


Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.


Role players don't go to the Olympics unless they have an elite skill, i would LOVE to know Plumlee's elite skill.


So what front court player would you like to have seen make it over plumlee that can play center and PF?
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Post#1433 » by NCHeels2008 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:36 am

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NCHeels2008 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.


Role players don't go to the Olympics unless they have an elite skill, i would LOVE to know Plumlee's elite skill.


So what front court player would you like to have seen make it over plumlee that can play center and PF?


I don't think with 2 true centers you needed a third, but ok...David West, DeAndre Jordan, Amir Johnson, Larry Sanders, Robin Lopez, Derrick Favors. I think with Cousins and Drummond you really don't need a third player with no shooting range who can bang, but all of the above guys can bang around in the post.
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Post#1434 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:15 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
lol, ok.

I am half joking about the recruiting but Mason doesn't sniff the team without having been a Duke player. It does look awfully bad for team USA.


Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.

He is actually just what you don't want. Can't shoot not an above average defender. He has very little skills that translate to the international game other than a history of playing at Duke. Shoot Cody is a better option for the international game because even with his flaws he can do everything Plumlee can and is a better shooter. Tyler would be a better option as well due to his mid range shooting game.
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Post#1435 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:20 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
NCHeels2008 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.


Role players don't go to the Olympics unless they have an elite skill, i would LOVE to know Plumlee's elite skill.


So what front court player would you like to have seen make it over plumlee that can play center and PF?

He can't shoot so he can't play PF effectively at the international level. There are a lot better options at both positions that him. It is Duke that is the only reason he made it and very possibly the only reason Kyrie beat out both Wall and Lillard. If another coach had the ability to help himself I bet they would too but let's not act like the guy belongs.
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Post#1436 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:54 pm

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I am half joking about the recruiting but Mason doesn't sniff the team without having been a Duke player. It does look awfully bad for team USA.


Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.

He is actually just what you don't want. Can't shoot not an above average defender. He has very little skills that translate to the international game other than a history of playing at Duke. Shoot Cody is a better option for the international game because even with his flaws he can do everything Plumlee can and is a better shooter. Tyler would be a better option as well due to his mid range shooting game.


Tyler who?
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Post#1437 » by BeesWax » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:11 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Eh, I disagree. Plumlee is the kind of player you want in international play. Athletic, solid defender, and its not like they had any better options that can defend and play both the C and PF positions.

He is actually just what you don't want. Can't shoot not an above average defender. He has very little skills that translate to the international game other than a history of playing at Duke. Shoot Cody is a better option for the international game because even with his flaws he can do everything Plumlee can and is a better shooter. Tyler would be a better option as well due to his mid range shooting game.


Tyler who?

Tyler Zeller - look at the shot charts of the two and tell me who is better in a zone style of game.
Also
Taj Gibson
Cody Zeller - about equal there
Paul Milsap
Markief Morris
Derrick Favors
John Henson
DeAndre Jordan
David Lee

Every one of those guys are better options for something they provide. He made is solely because he was a Duke player. Some are better on offense some on defense and some both. It was a pick that he can say to future recruits hey look Plumlee can make a USA team by playing here and so could you. Everyone knows why he made it and he has to even know. He would deny it I am sure but in the back of his mind he will always know he made the team only because he played at Duke. Kyrie probably thinks he belongs there but I have a feeling he wouldn't be there if anyone else in the entire world other than the Duke staff was coaching. That one was closer but Plumlee was just an obvious homer pick.
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Post#1438 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:24 pm

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:He is actually just what you don't want. Can't shoot not an above average defender. He has very little skills that translate to the international game other than a history of playing at Duke. Shoot Cody is a better option for the international game because even with his flaws he can do everything Plumlee can and is a better shooter. Tyler would be a better option as well due to his mid range shooting game.


Tyler who?

Tyler Zeller - look at the shot charts of the two and tell me who is better in a zone style of game.
Also
Taj Gibson
Cody Zeller - about equal there
Paul Milsap
Markief Morris
Derrick Favors
John Henson
DeAndre Jordan
David Lee

Every one of those guys are better options for something they provide. He made is solely because he was a Duke player. Some are better on offense some on defense and some both. It was a pick that he can say to future recruits hey look Plumlee can make a USA team by playing here and so could you. Everyone knows why he made it and he has to even know. He would deny it I am sure but in the back of his mind he will always know he made the team only because he played at Duke. Kyrie probably thinks he belongs there but I have a feeling he wouldn't be there if anyone else in the entire world other than the Duke staff was coaching. That one was closer but Plumlee was just an obvious homer pick.


For some reason I thought you meant Hansborough for a moment.
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Post#1439 » by BeesWax » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:02 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Tyler who?

Tyler Zeller - look at the shot charts of the two and tell me who is better in a zone style of game.
Also
Taj Gibson
Cody Zeller - about equal there
Paul Milsap
Markief Morris
Derrick Favors
John Henson
DeAndre Jordan
David Lee

Every one of those guys are better options for something they provide. He made is solely because he was a Duke player. Some are better on offense some on defense and some both. It was a pick that he can say to future recruits hey look Plumlee can make a USA team by playing here and so could you. Everyone knows why he made it and he has to even know. He would deny it I am sure but in the back of his mind he will always know he made the team only because he played at Duke. Kyrie probably thinks he belongs there but I have a feeling he wouldn't be there if anyone else in the entire world other than the Duke staff was coaching. That one was closer but Plumlee was just an obvious homer pick.


For some reason I thought you meant Hansborough for a moment.

Oh no. Oh no no no. He does not fit the international game any more than Plumlee. Shoot Mason isn't even the best Plumlee.
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Post#1440 » by TheKingofSting » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:26 am

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