The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[Kerrsed]

Its sad. After viewing 7 different Bledsoe trade ideas on the trade board today, the one that netted us the best return was still s**t.

Bledsoe for McLemore/Williams/Terry/Future 1st round pick(top 10 protected).

Its crazy because McLemore was touted as a lights out shooter in the draft, but sucked last season. Heralded as the next Ray Allen, he somehow was only able to shoot 37.6% from the field and 32.0% from 3 while averaging just 8 points, 1 assist, and 3 rebounds. After one single season the Kings went ahead and drafted his replacement in Staukas. The kid was the starting SG, got plenty of minutes, yet only scored 20+ points in 3 games. Hell, our 3rd string rookie Archie Goodwin puts up better numbers than Mclemore PER36.

Williams my be a somewhat draw due to his UofA ties, but he still has been an undersized bust. 4 years in the league and he really hasnt shown anything. Too slow and bad of a shooter to be a proper SF and to small and weak to be a real PF. He gets pushed around the paint fairly easy and has no shot at guarding any of the decent PF's in the league.

Terry is just plain old. Same UofA ties as Williams, but playing at an already filled position. He is an expiring that we would look to flip come play-off time, nothing more nothing less.

Its getting to a point where Bucks fans wont even include Sanders anymore. To them its just Henson&Knight.

The funny thing is watching posters then try to sneak things in. There was one trade idea that blew my mind, and after 3 pages i found that not a single suns fan even mentioned that Markeiff was hidden in there as well.

The only other trade that i saw that made me ponder for a bit was one that was with Chicago. I like Jimmy Butler. Great defender at the SG spot, and being 6'7 gave him the ability to defend against Lebron pretty damn well. He is in the last year of his rookie deal, so he will be looking for a new long term deal. I dont know what he is looking for $$$$$ wise, but i can bet its a hell of alot less than a max deal like Bledsoe.

Now that trade had us also getting Gibson and a 1st, but also had us giving up Len, which turned me off. I am not a big Gibson fan, granted he plays good for his size, but he is not the PF i would want for our team.

[Qwigglez]

I'd rather feel out the Lakers trade, I'd be willing to trade Bledsoe for Randle and Lin, I think Lin would be fun to watch in Phoenix.

[kingstyyyle]

I'd rather feel out the Lakers trade, I'd be willing to trade Bledsoe for Randle and Lin, I think Lin would be fun to watch in Phoenix.

We could have Lin AND Len!!!!!!!!!!

[Kerrsed]

I'd rather feel out the Lakers trade, I'd be willing to trade Bledsoe for Randle and Lin, I think Lin would be fun to watch in Phoenix.

We could have Lin AND Len!!!!!!!!!!

Lin and Len could be our Yin and Yang!

With that being said, i dont think the Lakers even entertain the idea of trading Randle. Even if they did, the trade would have to be expanded, due to finances. Bledose wants somewhere between $14M-$16M, Lin makes $8 and Randle makes just under $3M. Now the tricky part is the only player eligible for the Lakers to trade that makes enough money would be Nash. Now he makes almost $10 next season, so we would be taking in $21M and only sending out $14M-$16M.

Thomas/Nash/Ennis
Dragic/Lin/Goodwin
Tucker/Green/Warren
Keiff/Randle/Marcus/Toliver
Plumlee/Len/Randolph

Its an ok idea, but the fact of the matter is i dont see LA trading Randle. They improve their backcourt but it leaves them severely lacking up front. Their PF/C's consist of Boozer/Hill/Davis/Kelly/Sacre, and thats rather pathetic. Not to mention that the ball is in Kobes hands the majority of the time he is on the court and that kills some of the value that Bledsoe brings.

I just dont see it happening.

[GrantHill]

Not sure Nash would play for us since he said that he would retire if the Lakers trade or cut him. Kinda like the idea of having him back here, though.

BUT, I would not do a deal with the Lakers which improves their roster since we have that holy first round pick next year and I don't want it to be at the end of the lottery.

[Kerrsed]

So what could the Pacers offer the Suns in return for one of the most promising, young guards in the league? David West is the name that comes into mind immediately, especially with the Suns’ need of upgrade at the position after losing Channing Frye in free agency. He is quick on his feet, and would fit very well into their system and bring the veteran leadership that they need. Obviously the Pacers would have to add a first round pick or two into the deal to make Phoenix bite, but it’s a good start.

http://inkonindy.com/2014/08/21/pacers- ... c-bledsoe/

[Kerrsed]

I would do Bledsoe/Plumlee/Randolph for West/Hibbert/2 1st's.

The addition of West would be great. Not only would it immensely help Warren having his mentor on the team, but i think all of the youngsters could learn a thing or two from him. Even though he is 33 years old, i think he still has enough game to be effective.

Hibbert is Hibbert. He had a bit of a setback last season, but did pretty damn good the previous seasons. He is great in the paint and an excellent rim defender. Not the most athletic guy, but could help us when the game slows down in the playoffs (yes, i believe with these two we can make the playoffs). He would also help Len improve by having them battle each other in practice every day. If Len could learn Hibberts defensive prowess, that would be HUGE!!

The 2 picks would be the cherry on top. Would they give us their 2015 pick? IDK, as missing George for the season and losing West would likely make them a lotto team. I'd still be down to taking a 2016 & 2018 pick from them. Keep adding those future assets to our war-chest.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/McMorris
West/MkMorris/Toliver
Hibbert/Len

[kingstyyyle]

So what could the Pacers offer the Suns in return for one of the most promising, young guards in the league? David West is the name that comes into mind immediately, especially with the Suns’ need of upgrade at the position after losing Channing Frye in free agency. He is quick on his feet, and would fit very well into their system and bring the veteran leadership that they need. Obviously the Pacers would have to add a first round pick or two into the deal to make Phoenix bite, but it’s a good start.

http://inkonindy.com/2014/08/21/pacers- ... c-bledsoe/

West and a top 10 protected 2015 pick. Rock and roll

[Saberestar]

I think that a good trade partner can be Boston. They have Rajon Rondo in his last year's contract, Avery Bradley with his $32M /4 years new contract (good value) and Marcus Smart. One of them for Bledsoe can be a good trade, but Smart would be the best,of course.

[RunDogGun]

Marcus Banks PG 6-2 200
Leandro Barbosa SG 6-3176
Raja Bell SG 6-5 204
Boris Diaw PF 6-8 215
Gordan Giricek SG 6-6 210
Grant Hill SF 6-8 225
Linton Johnson PF 6-8 205
Shawn Marion PF 6-7 220
Sean Marks C 6-10 250
Steve Nash PG 6-3 195
Shaquille O'Neal C 7-1 325
Eric Piatkowski SF 6-7 215
Brian Skinner C 6-9 255
Amar'e Stoudemire C 6-10
D.J. Strawberry SG 6-5 201
Alando Tucker SF 6-6 205

The above is the list of players MDA had at his disposal in his last season as head coach. He basically got run out of town because he could not coach defense.

MDA's Top 7:

Shaq/Marion (Only one of these guys were on the roster with the other 6 due to the trade)
Amare
Diaw
Hill
Bell
Nash
Barbosa

If you were coach, who would you have played consistent minutes that were not in MDA's top 7?

If you say any of them you are out of your mind.

That might have been the worst bench in the history of the NBA. MDA was forced to play only 7 players due to horrific roster management by Steve Kerr and Robert Sarver. The great Steve Kerr tells MDA he needs a defensive coach at the end of the season. Just plain freaking genius. What MDA needed was better players.

Which one of the guys, not in MDA's top 7,made a contribution to any other NBA franchise after they left the Suns?

If the great Steve Kerr could have added someone like Channing Frye to compliment that group of seven, MDA might just have won a championship.

He did add Channing Frye 2 years later along with an emerging rim protector in Lopez and we became dangerous. We did this without adding a defensive coach. Our defense actually got worse but our offense got better. It was basically the same offense that MDA ran.

I wanted to keep both Amare and Frye after the 2010 season. I think a lot of fans had the same thought. Unfortunately Amare got an offer he could not refuse. We kept Frye and I thought that was a good thing. However we got real stupid by spending Amare's money on Childress and Warrick. Sarver strikes again.

Frye will be missed but not near as much as he was needed when we had a legit opportunity to win the whole thing.

I must have missed the buildup to this tangent discussion, but you failed to mention that as GM, MDA gave a few of those so called terrible players, contracts. In the old saying, "you order sh*t, you eat sh*t."

As for the championship, I still highly doubt it. MDA did a piss poor job making game adjustments both in the game, and going into a series. He seemed to be a game adjustment behind, once the competition became greater. Moreover, he never seemed to adjust to the game slowing down greatly in the playoffs, even though we still won many playoff games simply out scoring other opponents.

I agree that the money we spent on both Childress and Warrick was a bad choice, the idea of both if used properly might have changed people's minds about picking them up (if it was at a much lower price).

But overall, if your premise is that we will miss Frye, I agree.

[RunDogGun]

Does anyone else get a huge smile on their face seeing the wiretap that Kobe has "zero" trade value?

[Saberestar]

Does anyone else get a huge smile on their face seeing the wiretap that Kobe has "zero" trade value?

It is just a GM's opinion. I do not think it is true, he can put your merchandise on a top 5 in the league if he is on your team. He has a ton of value yet, even at his current salary.

[RunDogGun]

Does anyone else get a huge smile on their face seeing the wiretap that Kobe has "zero" trade value?

It is just a GM's opinion. I do not think it is true, he can put your merchandise on a top 5 in the league if he is on your team. He has a ton of value yet, even at his current salary.

I didn't quantify the truth of it, just enjoyed seeing it in the wiretap.

[Saberestar]

Does anyone else get a huge smile on their face seeing the wiretap that Kobe has "zero" trade value?

It is just a GM's opinion. I do not think it is true, he can put your merchandise on a top 5 in the league if he is on your team. He has a ton of value yet, even at his current salary.

I didn't quantify the truth of it, just enjoyed seeing it in the wiretap.

Ahh, ok

[batsmasher]

I'm playing devil's advocate here but can someone explain to me why exactly Rich Paul has done poorly with Bled?

The Suns have always been the ones that can give him the most money so Paul's always going to try and stretch us. As much as it hurts the fanbase waiting, time is exactly what benefits Bled. For all we know a month from now he could still be demanding a max. The deadline is October 1, plenty of time between now and then.

[BobbieL]

I'm playing devil's advocate here but can someone explain to me why exactly Rich Paul has done poorly with Bled?

The Suns have always been the ones that can give him the most money so Paul's always going to try and stretch us. As much as it hurts the fanbase waiting, time is exactly what benefits Bled. For all we know a month from now he could still be demanding a max. The deadline is October 1, plenty of time between now and then.

I don't begrudge Paul and Bledsoe asking for 84/5 on July 1. Or from other teams 63/4. But, the market has changed and they obviously are not realizing that. And one othe thing, that Paul andBledsoe may or may not have realized,the most Bledsoe was every going to get was 63/4. That was the most. I think if Babby were his agent, he would have had a deal by now in the mid 50's for 4 years

And they may think the Suns need to counter off the 48/4. But until they counter first to something closer to his real value - which today is under 63/4 - the Suns have zero reason to budge.

Again, Bledsoe was fine to ask for the max, but unlike Carmelo or LeBron where there were suitors to pay the max, the guy just doesn't have leverageto ask for it anymore. Trade his butt

[BobbieL]

Its sad. After viewing 7 different Bledsoe trade ideas on the trade board today, the one that netted us the best return was still s**t.

Bledsoe for McLemore/Williams/Terry/Future 1st round pick(top 10 protected).

Its crazy because McLemore was touted as a lights out shooter in the draft, but sucked last season. Heralded as the next Ray Allen, he somehow was only able to shoot 37.6% from the field and 32.0% from 3 while averaging just 8 points, 1 assist, and 3 rebounds. After one single season the Kings went ahead and drafted his replacement in Staukas. The kid was the starting SG, got plenty of minutes, yet only scored 20+ points in 3 games. Hell, our 3rd string rookie Archie Goodwin puts up better numbers than Mclemore PER36.

Williams my be a somewhat draw due to his UofA ties, but he still has been an undersized bust. 4 years in the league and he really hasnt shown anything. Too slow and bad of a shooter to be a proper SF and to small and weak to be a real PF. He gets pushed around the paint fairly easy and has no shot at guarding any of the decent PF's in the league.

Terry is just plain old. Same UofA ties as Williams, but playing at an already filled position. He is an expiring that we would look to flip come play-off time, nothing more nothing less.

Its getting to a point where Bucks fans wont even include Sanders anymore. To them its just Henson&Knight.

The funny thing is watching posters then try to sneak things in. There was one trade idea that blew my mind, and after 3 pages i found that not a single suns fan even mentioned that Markeiff was hidden in there as well.

The only other trade that i saw that made me ponder for a bit was one that was with Chicago. I like Jimmy Butler. Great defender at the SG spot, and being 6'7 gave him the ability to defend against Lebron pretty damn well. He is in the last year of his rookie deal, so he will be looking for a new long term deal. I dont know what he is looking for $$$$$ wise, but i can bet its a hell of alot less than a max deal like Bledsoe.

Now that trade had us also getting Gibson and a 1st, but also had us giving up Len, which turned me off. I am not a big Gibson fan, granted he plays good for his size, but he is not the PF i would want for our team.

So you just found other fans speculating about trades and these are the resuts? None of these are legitimately being discussed is what I am asking?

Personally, I woud do that King trade - a solidtwo guard next to Dragic. McLemore is only 22 or something. give him a chance.

[Gatordd]

Did you guys sign Casey Prather to a contract this week?

[Fo-Real]

As far as Channing.... his streaky shooting was integral to us winning games, and.... his streaky shooting was also integral to us losing games. There were lots of games where if he wasn't hitting shots, he gave us nothing else on the floor..... NOTHING! I expect him to go the rout of 95% of older Suns cast offs who leave.... his body will break down, he won't be as effective, and everyone will wonder why he was who he was in phoenix. We replaced a stretch 4 with a younger, more athletic, better shooting (percentage wise), STREACH 4, dont see how two plus two equals one...... at the least.... I expect that if we insert him into the exact situations we put Channing in to get similar results... streaky shooting, at best.... he still shoots a higher percentage and continues being who he has been or better with an expanded role just like Channing when we signed him.

As far as Bledso trades.... yes... all offers have holes, but if you are hell bent on getting rid of him and the teams mentioned will actually give up assets to get him, the two options I like more than others are the Bucks.... Knight, Henson and a pick......... and I guess gamble talent wise if you can get the Kings to give you Mclemore, Williams and filler that is not dead weight like Terry, Landry, or any other crap..... only maybe another positive asset, that wouldn't be too bad. Mclemore can be developed and no one denies Williams is an athletic freak and a talent who I think still hasnt ever been given a defined role. All of the mentioned trade targets would instantly benefit from our system.... coaching... style... and roles. Each would be better for us with our wide open style than with the teams they are with right now.... see examples Green and Plumlee!!!! Ohh...and Tucker... and most of the suckers who left and fell on thier faces..... I say most....not all

[bwgood77]

Did you guys sign Casey Prather to a contract this week?

I don't know but maybe? I haven't seen anything other than

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