The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[Revived]

Did you guys sign Casey Prather to a contract this week?

Who is that?

[Superbone]

I would do Bledsoe/Plumlee/Randolph for West/Hibbert/2 1st's.

I might do that minus the Plumlee/Hibbert component. I prefer Plumlee on this team.

[Sunsdeuce]

Here is an interesting idea:
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/8/21 ... ade-rumors

"How would they do it? After the Shelvin Mack and Mike Scott deals become official, the Hawks will have somewhere around $9 million in cap space. But without them having gone through yet, the team has about $12.7 million in cap space. It's probably fair to assume that these deals haven't become official yet because the Hawks can go over the cap to complete them, and they want to keep as much financial maneuverability as they can. With $12.7 million in tow, the Hawks could conceivably offer Dennis Schroeder, Adreian Payne, and a first rounder for Bledsoe, sign him to some contract above what the Suns have offered him, and become a contender that hasn't quite reached its ceiling in the East."


Schroeder, Payne, and 1st rounder. That would be something to think about. Maybe squeeze another 1st rounder out of the hawks.


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[Big NBA Fan]

In regards to the discussion about MDA on the previous page of this thread, while I agree he was not great at making adjustments, he WOULD have won a title in 2007 if not for the suspensions. There's no doubt about that.

But his "coaching" in the 2008 playoffs against the Spurs was a joke. It's like he just stopped doing anything after that brutal Game 1 Double Over-Time loss.

He has kind of admitted as much, saying, "We lost our confidence and we changed mentally. We should have beaten them 3 different times."

The team got CRUSHED in the second half of Game 2 and it's like they didn't even show up in Game 3.

And then MDA quit...something he has since said he regrets doing.

He was the perfect coach for the Suns.

[AtheJ415]

I would do Bledsoe/Plumlee/Randolph for West/Hibbert/2 1st's.

The addition of West would be great. Not only would it immensely help Warren having his mentor on the team, but i think all of the youngsters could learn a thing or two from him. Even though he is 33 years old, i think he still has enough game to be effective.

Hibbert is Hibbert. He had a bit of a setback last season, but did pretty damn good the previous seasons. He is great in the paint and an excellent rim defender. Not the most athletic guy, but could help us when the game slows down in the playoffs (yes, i believe with these two we can make the playoffs). He would also help Len improve by having them battle each other in practice every day. If Len could learn Hibberts defensive prowess, that would be HUGE!!

The 2 picks would be the cherry on top. Would they give us their 2015 pick? IDK, as missing George for the season and losing West would likely make them a lotto team. I'd still be down to taking a 2016 & 2018 pick from them. Keep adding those future assets to our war-chest.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Green/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/McMorris
West/MkMorris/Toliver
Hibbert/Len

Absolutely no imo. Bledsoe and Plumlee get them into the playoffs, so those are 2 late firsts. Plus, Hibbert is a disgustingly bad fit for us. He's a better rim protector than Plumlee, but not the same level athlete. Plumlee is a very good fit for us. Not to mention Hibbert has a ridiculous contract, eating up any space we would've had, and we're giving up the best player in that trade.

Plumlee averages a near double double without playing heavy minutes despite not having a good jumper as of yet, makes a little over a million a year, and is athletic enough to have a real ceiling. Why is everyone so anxious to trade him for a guy like Hibbert, who is half the athlete, 12 times as expensive, and while an elite rim protector in the past, has fallen apart and may never put himself back together?

[JTrain]

Here is an interesting idea:
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2014/8/21 ... ade-rumors

"How would they do it? After the Shelvin Mack and Mike Scott deals become official, the Hawks will have somewhere around $9 million in cap space. But without them having gone through yet, the team has about $12.7 million in cap space. It's probably fair to assume that these deals haven't become official yet because the Hawks can go over the cap to complete them, and they want to keep as much financial maneuverability as they can. With $12.7 million in tow, the Hawks could conceivably offer Dennis Schroeder, Adreian Payne, and a first rounder for Bledsoe, sign him to some contract above what the Suns have offered him, and become a contender that hasn't quite reached its ceiling in the East."


Schroeder, Payne, and 1st rounder. That would be something to think about. Maybe squeeze another 1st rounder out of the hawks.


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Shroder is a 6'1 point guard who is literally and figuratively in over his head. His numbers were awful when he got into the NBA last season. Payne may be good but who knows. We could have drafted him and didn't. The pick would be late in the first round since Bledsoe would make the Hawks the 3rd or 4th best team in the East.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Trade involving SUNS MAGIC & PELICANS

SUNS give Bledsoe and Morris Bros

SUNS get Ryan Anderson & Oladipo & 1st (protected)

PELICANS give Anderson, Rivers, & 1st (protected)

PELICANS get Morris Bros

ORLANDO gives Oladipo

ORLANDO get Bledsoe, Rivers

SUNS

Dragic
Oladipo
Tucker
Anderson
Plumlee/Len

[JTrain]

Trade involving SUNS MAGIC & PELICANS

SUNS give Bledsoe and Morris Bros

SUNS get Ryan Anderson & Oladipo & 1st (protected)

PELICANS give Anderson, Rivers, & 1st (protected)

PELICANS get Morris Bros

ORLANDO gives Oladipo

ORLANDO get Bledsoe, Rivers

SUNS

Dragic
Oladipo
Tucker
Anderson
Plumlee/Len

No way Orlando would do that. They love Oladipo. Younger, way better contract situation, no major injury issues.

[Zelaznyrules]

Trade involving SUNS MAGIC & PELICANS

SUNS give Bledsoe and Morris Bros

SUNS get Ryan Anderson & Oladipo & 1st (protected)

PELICANS give Anderson, Rivers, & 1st (protected)

PELICANS get Morris Bros

ORLANDO gives Oladipo

ORLANDO get Bledsoe, Rivers

SUNS

Dragic
Oladipo
Tucker
Anderson
Plumlee/Len

Is that the team you're putting together to improve our lottery position? If so, job well done.

[Zelaznyrules]

Trade involving SUNS MAGIC & PELICANS

SUNS give Bledsoe and Morris Bros

SUNS get Ryan Anderson & Oladipo & 1st (protected)

PELICANS give Anderson, Rivers, & 1st (protected)

PELICANS get Morris Bros

ORLANDO gives Oladipo

ORLANDO get Bledsoe, Rivers

SUNS

Dragic
Oladipo
Tucker
Anderson
Plumlee/Len

No way Orlando would do that. They love Oladipo. Younger, way better contract situation, no major injury issues.

That's a horrible deal for us but I can't see either Orlando or the Pelicans stepping away from it. Oladipo is an intriguing prospect but he has major holes in his game and wouldn't be a starter on a team that was challenging for a playoff spot. And Anderson is a huge unknown coming off of back surgery. Personally, I wouldn't trade the Morris brothers alone for all the other players listed in this deal (minus Bledsoe).

[Saberestar]

Oladipo is untouchable. He is an All Star talent, hard worker and healthy.
I would trade Bledsoe, Green, Ennis and 2 lottery protected picks for him....and Orlando would say NO.

[Zelaznyrules]

Oladipo is untouchable. He is an All Star talent, hard worker and healthy.
I would trade Bledsoe, Green, Ennis and 2 lottery protected picks for him....and Orlando would say NO.

That is some serious hyperbole. Okay, what do you see in Oladipo that makes you consider him an All Star level player? I'll give you healthy and hard worker. But from that point on, it's as easy to focus on his negatives as it is to extol his virtues. I'd like to have him on our team but I wouldn't trade Markieff straight up for him. He is still very much a project.

[Saberestar]

Oladipo is untouchable. He is an All Star talent, hard worker and healthy.
I would trade Bledsoe, Green, Ennis and 2 lottery protected picks for him....and Orlando would say NO.

That is some serious hyperbole. Okay, what do you see in Oladipo that makes you consider him an All Star level player? I'll give you healthy and hard worker. But from that point on, it's as easy to focus on his negatives as it is to extol his virtues. I'd like to have him on our team but I wouldn't trade Markieff straight up for him. He is still very much a project.

He is one of the best SG in the league right now, and he is only 22 years old.He is a terrific defender, and his progress on offense has been outstanding the last few years.He loves basketball, like T.J. Warren, and always is working on his game...with his mentality and physical attributes he would be an All Star in the next few years for sure.
Just my opinion.

[thamadkant]

Oladipo is untouchable. He is an All Star talent, hard worker and healthy.
I would trade Bledsoe, Green, Ennis and 2 lottery protected picks for him....and Orlando would say NO.

And it will never happen because.
1. Suns get ripped off big time.
2. Magic wont want Bledsoe on a max, since they are not done rebuilding and are not contending yet. But Bledsoe wont go there outside a max contract.

[paulpressey25]

Its getting to a point where Bucks fans wont even include Sanders anymore. To them its just Henson&Knight.

We've been watching Larry Sanders go off on twitter this afternoon. From my perspective as a Bucks fan, I'm back in on dealing him. He's yours for Bledsoe.

[JTrain]

Haha, now we are just arguing about Oladipo's future. Bottom line: No one knows. Personally I would predict he will be an all-star in 2015-16.

[RunDogGun]

In regards to the discussion about MDA on the previous page of this thread, while I agree he was not great at making adjustments, he WOULD have won a title in 2007 if not for the suspensions. There's no doubt about that.

But his "coaching" in the 2008 playoffs against the Spurs was a joke. It's like he just stopped doing anything after that brutal Game 1 Double Over-Time loss.

He has kind of admitted as much, saying, "We lost our confidence and we changed mentally. We should have beaten them 3 different times."

The team got CRUSHED in the second half of Game 2 and it's like they didn't even show up in Game 3.

And then MDA quit...something he has since said he regrets doing.

He was the perfect coach for the Suns.

There is a large doubt about that actually. He had the Spurs on the ropes in game five, even with the suspensions. The Spurs seemed completely out of sorts that game, like they were playing guilty. Marion jumped out to a huge offensive game. The decision to only play limited guys throughout that series hurt the guys, and in game five in particular gassed players. Moving Marion to guard Parker, late in game five is a good example of that. MDA could have at least tried Banks in that situation. Even though Marion did a good job on Parker, Marion was our only real offense that game. It was stupid to gas him out in that manor.

Also, the extremely limited roster in game five gassed those guys so much, we showed very little resistance in game six. To top it off, we were completely not ready for that kind of physical play from an opponent and it showed. Now I don't think that is so much MDA's fault, most of it falls on the refs, and the Spurs themselves, but MDA should have been prepared for that, knowing that the refs might allow more physical play.

Even if we managed to beat the Spurs, everyone forgets that Utah played just as physical as the Spurs, so there was no guarantee that we could have handled twelve or so games of that type of opponent.

[Nando88]

Lol what a crappy offseason. The highlight this offseason was the signing and DUI of PJ Tucker


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[Sunsdeuce]

Lol what a crappy offseason. The highlight this offseason was the signing and DUI of PJ Tucker


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What is totally baffling is that Some people here actually think this has been a successful off season. There is no argument that can be made that this was a successful offseason. Sure the Thomas signing was nice and all but losing frye, failing to upgrade Tucker's position (and resigning him (also getting arrested for extreme DUI)), not addressing the power forward position (sorry but tolliver is a below average player and he is getting paid at exactly what a below averge player gets paid), Bledsoe drama, and many failed trade attempts. All this does not add up to success.

I like Ryan Mcd as much as anyone else but I also don't church up what a mess this off season has been.


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[Saberestar]

And this offseason can be worse in the next few days if we trade Bledsoe for Kostas Papanikolau, Patrick Beverly, some filler and one lottery protected pick.......hopefully it is only a bad vibration that I have