Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 4

[DCZards]

No-kidding Zard, Powell may or may-not have a future in the NBA, but the move is more Spurs-like then Wizards-like isn't it?

Comparing EVERY move an NBA team makes to what the Spurs would do is getting a little old isn't it? Not every winning/championship team is built the exact same way. Wasn't long ago that some here thought that the "model" way to build a championship team was OKC. Using OKC as a singular example was just as silly, IMO.

btw, didn't the Spurs do the same thing with their 2014 2nd round pick as the Zards?

[montestewart]

First, I come in peace!

Second, I think I rate Brad Beal much higher than some of my fellow Suns fans, but would the Wiz look at a deal centered around a re-signed Bledsoe for Beal? Suns would obviously need to take back some filler deals like Dre or Webster.

I suggested Suns would need to sweeten the deal by adding Marcus Morris and a pick, but not sure if that would be needed? I'm genuinely curious as to the value of Beal (and Bledsoe for that matter) on your board.

Would the Wiz (obviously the Kentucky connection) prefer a Wall/Bledsoe backcourt locked up long-term to a Wall/Beal one?

Personally I think Beal has the potential to be the best SG in the league and he'd go OFF next to Dragic in our system...And Bledsoe would thrive next to Wall and allow Pierce to be more a catch and shoot guy/corner 3s shooter at this stage in his career.

Would also free up time for Porter/Rice to get some more PT as Webster would be on the out.

Interested in your thoughts, cheers!

Peace to you. Always like the Suns, going back to Paul Westphal.

Not sure anyone on this board would do that deal. I wouldn't. The only appealing part is moving an injured Webster, and even he could come back decent. Beal's a barely 21-year-old, still developing 6'5"+ SG who just made the USA practice squad, and the team legitimately hopes will one day be among the best SGs in the league. And he has two years left on his rookie contract.

Bledsoe came into the league older than Beal is now. Good as Bledsoe is, how much more development is expected from him? Most importantly, the Wizards have a much bigger, younger, AS PG, who they've already given a max contract. Can't see the point of this deal. Wizards aren't a good trade partner.

[stevemcqueen1]

Interested in your thoughts, cheers!

Beal is generally valued as a foundation piece for us, and most of the fan base thinks he can be a perennial AS and one of the best SGs in the league in a couple years. As such, there are very few players Wiz fans would be happy about trading Beal for. A lot of us didn't want to offer him for Kevin Love.

There is no chance the Wiz would accept a Bledsoe for Beal trade. Really, the Wizards wouldn't go for any offer Phoenix could put on the table for Beal. Your two best players are both PGs and Wall is a pure PG. Beal is a much better fit playing beside Wall because he's a pure wing and primarily an off ball player, and that's the best kind of player to pair with Wall at SG. Bledsoe is a pure PG because of his size, which makes him a bad fit at SG next to Wall. And Bledsoe is not good enough to push Wall off the ball. The FO loved Beal very early in the draft process in 2012, in large part because you can't find a more ideal SG to pair with Wall. We're not really worried about accommodating Pierce either, because he'll probably only be here for two years at the most.

Also, Bledsoe is coming off a significant knee injury, and I think that alone would kill any interest in a deal on our end.

And finally, we would much rather have Beal's contract for the next two years than the contract Bledsoe will get. We're trying to get our cap situation in order to be able to offer Kevin Durant a max deal in the summer of 2016. Bledsoe's deal would make that very tough.

[DCZards]

TASTIC, the last two posters have probably summed up most Zard fans opinion of a Beal-Bledsoe trade, especially the stuff about Beal being a much better fit next to Wall than Bledsoe, the burden of a Bledsoe contract and the fact that Bledsoe is essentially a PG....just like our best player.

If, as you say, Beal can go OFF next to Gragic who averaged around 6 assists last season, think about how much more Beal can go OFF next to Wall who averaged close to 9 assists last season and had more total assists than anyone in the NBA.

[montestewart]

No-kidding Zard, Powell may or may-not have a future in the NBA, but the move is more Spurs-like then Wizards-like isn't it?

Comparing EVERY move an NBA team makes to what the Spurs would do is getting a little old isn't it? Not every winning/championship team is built the exact same way. Wasn't long ago that some here thought that the "model" way to build a championship team was OKC. Using OKC as a singular example was just as silly, IMO.

btw, didn't the Spurs do the same thing with their 2014 2nd round pick as the Zards?

Look at the price of beer at Spurs and Thunder games. If the Wizards would lower their beer prices, a finals appearance is guaranteed.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-be ... na-2013-12

[pancakes3]

$9 for a beer in Detroit!

Why buy a 12-pack when you can buy a house?

http://www.businessinsider.com/cheap-de ... 011-6?op=1

[closg00]

No-kidding Zard, Powell may or may-not have a future in the NBA, but the move is more Spurs-like then Wizards-like isn't it?

Comparing EVERY move an NBA team makes to what the Spurs would do is getting a little old isn't it? Not every winning/championship team is built the exact same way. Wasn't long ago that some here thought that the "model" way to build a championship team was OKC. Using OKC as a singular example was just as silly, IMO.

btw, didn't the Spurs do the same thing with their 2014 2nd round pick as the Zards?

No exaggeration there and no it doesn't get old. Wasn't it Ted himself (with his draft wizard EG) who wanted to follow the OKC model for rebuilding?

[payitforward]

No-kidding Zard, Powell may or may-not have a future in the NBA, but the move is more Spurs-like then Wizards-like isn't it?

Comparing EVERY move an NBA team makes to what the Spurs would do is getting a little old isn't it? Not every winning/championship team is built the exact same way. Wasn't long ago that some here thought that the "model" way to build a championship team was OKC. Using OKC as a singular example was just as silly, IMO.

btw, didn't the Spurs do the same thing with their 2014 2nd round pick as the Zards?

No Zards, the Spurs did not do the same thing w/ their '014 R2 pick as we did. They didn't do anything vaguely similar. What they did is what they so often do: they acquired a valuable Euro asset for the future.

In particular, holding the #58 & 60 picks, they traded them to the Sixers for the #54 pick Nemanja Dangubic.

You are so right, Zards, it's just so silly to compare teams like OKC or the Spurs to the Wizards.

[LyricalRico]

No-kidding Zard, Powell may or may-not have a future in the NBA, but the move is more Spurs-like then Wizards-like isn't it?

Comparing EVERY move an NBA team makes to what the Spurs would do is getting a little old isn't it? Not every winning/championship team is built the exact same way. Wasn't long ago that some here thought that the "model" way to build a championship team was OKC. Using OKC as a singular example was just as silly, IMO.

btw, didn't the Spurs do the same thing with their 2014 2nd round pick as the Zards?

Look at the price of beer at Spurs and Thunder games. If the Wizards would lower their beer prices, a finals appearance is guaranteed.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-be ... na-2013-12

Exactly!

[closg00]

The Los Angeles Lakers have signed Jordan Clarkson, the 46th pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, whose rights were acquired from the Washington Wizards on draft night.

In the 2014 NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, Clarkson led the Lakers’ entry in scoring, (15.8 points per game) and rebounding (5.0) while shooting 42.1% (8-19) from beyond-the-arc in five games (all starts).

For you Zard

[payitforward]

The Los Angeles Lakers have signed Jordan Clarkson, the 46th pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, whose rights were acquired from the Washington Wizards on draft night.

In the 2014 NBA Summer League in Las Vegas, Clarkson led the Lakers’ entry in scoring, (15.8 points per game) and rebounding (5.0) while shooting 42.1% (8-19) from beyond-the-arc in five games (all starts).

For you Zard

Not to mention I hear the price of beer goes down every place he plays.

[Ruzious]

First glance at the Clip/Bucks trade looks like the Clips gave up a 1st round pick to unburden themselves of Dudley's contract. When Dudley was last a free agent, there were some posters here pushing for the Wiz to acquire him. Not to blow my own horn (who me? nobody does that on sports message boards!), but I was the guy saying no - he's too unathletic and kills you on defense - more than offsetting his good efficiency numbers. Toot.

[verbal8]

First glance at the Clip/Bucks trade looks like the Clips gave up a 1st round pick to unburden themselves of Dudley's contract. When Dudley was last a free agent, there were some posters here pushing for the Wiz to acquire him. Not to blow my own horn (who me? nobody does that on sports message boards!), but I was the guy saying no - he's too unathletic and kills you on defense - more than offsetting his good efficiency numbers. Toot.

I think the Bucks did very well in that deal. How it turns out for the Clippers will depend on the follow-up move(s). I figure they buy-out Delfino, which could accomplish their main goal of creating some room under the hard cap. The interesting part to me is Raduljica. He looked somewhat promising last season and is on a cheap contract. If he can give them 10 to 15 solid minutes as a back-up Center, the deal looks pretty promising for them. If they waive him, I like the deal less for them.

[Ruzious]

First glance at the Clip/Bucks trade looks like the Clips gave up a 1st round pick to unburden themselves of Dudley's contract. When Dudley was last a free agent, there were some posters here pushing for the Wiz to acquire him. Not to blow my own horn (who me? nobody does that on sports message boards!), but I was the guy saying no - he's too unathletic and kills you on defense - more than offsetting his good efficiency numbers. Toot.

I think the Bucks did very well in that deal. How it turns out for the Clippers will depend on the follow-up move(s). I figure they buy-out Delfino, which could accomplish their main goal of creating some room under the hard cap. The interesting part to me is Raduljica. He looked somewhat promising last season and is on a cheap contract. If he can give them 10 to 15 solid minutes as a back-up Center, the deal looks pretty promising for them. If they waive him, I like the deal less for them.

I'm not sure they keep big Rad. He's been awfully stiff-looking whenever I've seen him.

[Dat2U]

First glance at the Clip/Bucks trade looks like the Clips gave up a 1st round pick to unburden themselves of Dudley's contract. When Dudley was last a free agent, there were some posters here pushing for the Wiz to acquire him. Not to blow my own horn (who me? nobody does that on sports message boards!), but I was the guy saying no - he's too unathletic and kills you on defense - more than offsetting his good efficiency numbers. Toot.

You were... but Dudley was solid defender, until he got pudgier than he already was. He had a few quality years in the league though.

[Ruzious]

First glance at the Clip/Bucks trade looks like the Clips gave up a 1st round pick to unburden themselves of Dudley's contract. When Dudley was last a free agent, there were some posters here pushing for the Wiz to acquire him. Not to blow my own horn (who me? nobody does that on sports message boards!), but I was the guy saying no - he's too unathletic and kills you on defense - more than offsetting his good efficiency numbers. Toot.

You were... but Dudley was solid defender, until he got pudgier than he already was. He had a few quality years in the league though.

He was too slow in college to be a good defender - much less the NBA. Put it this way, he made Landry Fields look like Dr. J.

Btw, the J was not for Jared.

[Dat2U]

First glance at the Clip/Bucks trade looks like the Clips gave up a 1st round pick to unburden themselves of Dudley's contract. When Dudley was last a free agent, there were some posters here pushing for the Wiz to acquire him. Not to blow my own horn (who me? nobody does that on sports message boards!), but I was the guy saying no - he's too unathletic and kills you on defense - more than offsetting his good efficiency numbers. Toot.

You were... but Dudley was solid defender, until he got pudgier than he already was. He had a few quality years in the league though.

He was too slow in college to be a good defender - much less the NBA. Put it this way, he made Landry Fields look like Dr. J.

Btw, the J was not for Jared.

His defense wasn't a major issue in Phoenix where he had some good years. Admittedly he was bad last season and looked out of shape.

[Nivek]

I'm not sure I remember the Dudley conversations all that clearly. In looking at the numbers, Dudley was a decent reserve as a rookie, was about the same in his 2nd season, and then improved in years 3 and 4. His peak to-date was his 4th season, at the level of an average starter. He took a step back in 2012-13, but still rated above average in my stuff. And then there was last season, which was easily the worst of his career.

[Ruzious]

I'm not sure I remember the Dudley conversations all that clearly. In looking at the numbers, Dudley was a decent reserve as a rookie, was about the same in his 2nd season, and then improved in years 3 and 4. His peak to-date was his 4th season, at the level of an average starter. He took a step back in 2012-13, but still rated above average in my stuff. And then there was last season, which was easily the worst of his career.

The excuse is he got fat. I've heard the Bucks are emphasizing a specific intensive offseason fitness program. Maybe we'll see results, but I'm not expecting he'll be a valuable NBA player. I'm more interested to see what kind of shape Parker is in this season.

[Nivek]

Getting fat would be a reason why a guy's performance got worse. It would be more than conditioning, of course, because getting fat would mean he wasn't putting in the work on his game either.