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Jdiddy701 wrote:Not gonna lie but I am really excited about Isaiah Thomas.. A guy that loves Phoenix and appreciates a good organization is okay by me. Bledsoe learn from this fella.
I have no doubt in my mind if Bledsoe would be the same, the Suns would have raised their offer which I am happy they haven't.
NavLDO wrote:Spoiler:
Rubio is on notice. The Wolves are trying to sign him to an extension, and so far his agent, Dan Fegan, is balking at the idea of a 4-year, $43 million deal. That's plenty for a player of Rubio's caliber. It's a lot more than Atlanta point guard Jeff Teague makes -- maybe a better player -- and is what Golden State All-Star guard Stephen Curry makes. But Fegan is seeking the 5-year max. That's not happening. The situation is pointing toward Rubio being a restricted free agent next summer. In other words, the 2014-2015 season is huge for Rubio. He should improve his shooting under Flip and we know he has unbelievable athletes to cut to the hoop and catch alley-oop passes.
bwgood77 wrote:NavLDO wrote:Spoiler:
I like both deals, but those teams are not going to let Cousins or Ibaka go.
I just thought OKC may bite on upgrading their SG position, while downgrading their PF position, but adding depth, since SG seems to be weak in supply, where PFs are more easily found.
AtheJ415 wrote:Jones isn't better than Markieff, so he's not a starter on this team.
Sunsdeuce wrote:Don't know if you guys saw this:
Eric Bledsoe (born December 9, 1989) is a greedy American professional basketball guard who plays for the Phoenix Suns of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He was selected by the Oklahoma City Thunder with the 18th overall pick in the 2010 NBA draft and subsequently traded to the Los Angeles Clippers.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bledsoe
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JTrain wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:Jones isn't better than Markieff, so he's not a starter on this team.
Most of the relevant stats (PER, WS, eFG%, etc.) indicate otherwise. But the larger point is, if we are going to S&T, what can we realistically get that's better?
If he isn't going to take the QO, the discussion is moot. I used to think he wouldn't. Now I'm really wondering. If he's bluffing, he's doing a pretty good job.
AtheJ415 wrote:JTrain wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:Jones isn't better than Markieff, so he's not a starter on this team.
Most of the relevant stats (PER, WS, eFG%, etc.) indicate otherwise. But the larger point is, if we are going to S&T, what can we realistically get that's better?
If he isn't going to take the QO, the discussion is moot. I used to think he wouldn't. Now I'm really wondering. If he's bluffing, he's doing a pretty good job.
I live in Houston and watch all their games. Frankly it's not close. Kieff is better than Jones. The only reason Jones has better efficiency is because his FG% was much higher, but that's because he was never any higher than the 4th offensive option on any given lineup. He only shot layups and wide open jumpers. That also reaches over into every stat you mentioned. Houston never dumped it down to Jones and asked him to get buckets like we did with Kieff. Kieff averaged more points and rebounds in fewer minutes. If you honestly think Jones is above 50% from the field as a post up threat then I don't know what to say because his post game is non-existant. Jones also stomps on homeless people.
jcsunsfan wrote:
If Bledsoe informs the Suns office that he wants to sign the QO, I think they should tell him to wait. Then offer him 2/15 or something with a 2nd year PO. .
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carey wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:
If Bledsoe informs the Suns office that he wants to sign the QO, I think they should tell him to wait. Then offer him 2/15 or something with a 2nd year PO. .
You can't do a 2 year deal with 2nd year player option under the current CBA. You either guarantee both years on a 2 year deal or you do a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a player option.
NavLDO wrote:carey wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:
If Bledsoe informs the Suns office that he wants to sign the QO, I think they should tell him to wait. Then offer him 2/15 or something with a 2nd year PO. .
You can't do a 2 year deal with 2nd year player option under the current CBA. You either guarantee both years on a 2 year deal or you do a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a player option.
I wonder if they might just try to up the per year and shorten the length, like a 2yr/$27M? Or a 3 yr/$42M with 3rd year Team Option that ups it by $1.5M that 3rd year. Gives him the chance to showcase his skills/health for 2 years, and if he's healthy and worth it, he earns $15M that 3rd year, but allows him to go to FA at age 27...still young enough to get a Max contract. Doesn't hamstring us too much, and still a tradable contract.
Again, not a cap guy by any means, but that might suit both parties' needs. Allows Bledsoe to earn a very reputable $13.5M per. Gives him at least some security over the QO, and sets him up for a big payday when the new TV contract goes into effect.
Yeah, it's better for him than us, but wouldn't kill us, I don't think.
EDIT: BTW, How long do I have to wait to be able to post in certain forums and PM? Just curious as I noticed I can't post in the General forum and can't PM. Understand the reasoning, just don't know the specifics. Thanks in advance!
sunsbum wrote:NavLDO wrote:carey wrote:
You can't do a 2 year deal with 2nd year player option under the current CBA. You either guarantee both years on a 2 year deal or you do a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a player option.
I wonder if they might just try to up the per year and shorten the length, like a 2yr/$27M? Or a 3 yr/$42M with 3rd year Team Option that ups it by $1.5M that 3rd year. Gives him the chance to showcase his skills/health for 2 years, and if he's healthy and worth it, he earns $15M that 3rd year, but allows him to go to FA at age 27...still young enough to get a Max contract. Doesn't hamstring us too much, and still a tradable contract.
Again, not a cap guy by any means, but that might suit both parties' needs. Allows Bledsoe to earn a very reputable $13.5M per. Gives him at least some security over the QO, and sets him up for a big payday when the new TV contract goes into effect.
Yeah, it's better for him than us, but wouldn't kill us, I don't think.
EDIT: BTW, How long do I have to wait to be able to post in certain forums and PM? Just curious as I noticed I can't post in the General forum and can't PM. Understand the reasoning, just don't know the specifics. Thanks in advance!
Lose the steelers logo and I'll put a word in for you.
Sunsdeuce wrote:Don't know if you guys saw this:
Eric Bledsoe (born December 9, 1989) is a greedy American professional basketball guard who plays for the Phoenix Suns of the National Basketball Association (NBA). He was selected by the Oklahoma City Thunder with the 18th overall pick in the 2010 NBA draft and subsequently traded to the Los Angeles Clippers.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bledsoe
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JTrain wrote:I wonder if this will even be resolved by Oct. 1. The Suns would re-issue the QO and this might go all the way to the start of training camp.
NavLDO wrote:carey wrote:jcsunsfan wrote:
If Bledsoe informs the Suns office that he wants to sign the QO, I think they should tell him to wait. Then offer him 2/15 or something with a 2nd year PO. .
You can't do a 2 year deal with 2nd year player option under the current CBA. You either guarantee both years on a 2 year deal or you do a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a player option.
I wonder if they might just try to up the per year and shorten the length, like a 2yr/$27M? Or a 3 yr/$42M with 3rd year Team Option that ups it by $1.5M that 3rd year. Gives him the chance to showcase his skills/health for 2 years, and if he's healthy and worth it, he earns $15M that 3rd year, but allows him to go to FA at age 27...still young enough to get a Max contract. Doesn't hamstring us too much, and still a tradable contract.
Again, not a cap guy by any means, but that might suit both parties' needs. Allows Bledsoe to earn a very reputable $13.5M per. Gives him at least some security over the QO, and sets him up for a big payday when the new TV contract goes into effect.
Yeah, it's better for him than us, but wouldn't kill us, I don't think.
EDIT: BTW, How long do I have to wait to be able to post in certain forums and PM? Just curious as I noticed I can't post in the General forum and can't PM. Understand the reasoning, just don't know the specifics. Thanks in advance!
bwgood77 wrote:NavLDO wrote:carey wrote:
You can't do a 2 year deal with 2nd year player option under the current CBA. You either guarantee both years on a 2 year deal or you do a 3 year deal with the 3rd year being a player option.
I wonder if they might just try to up the per year and shorten the length, like a 2yr/$27M? Or a 3 yr/$42M with 3rd year Team Option that ups it by $1.5M that 3rd year. Gives him the chance to showcase his skills/health for 2 years, and if he's healthy and worth it, he earns $15M that 3rd year, but allows him to go to FA at age 27...still young enough to get a Max contract. Doesn't hamstring us too much, and still a tradable contract.
Again, not a cap guy by any means, but that might suit both parties' needs. Allows Bledsoe to earn a very reputable $13.5M per. Gives him at least some security over the QO, and sets him up for a big payday when the new TV contract goes into effect.
Yeah, it's better for him than us, but wouldn't kill us, I don't think.
EDIT: BTW, How long do I have to wait to be able to post in certain forums and PM? Just curious as I noticed I can't post in the General forum and can't PM. Understand the reasoning, just don't know the specifics. Thanks in advance!
That could work (the three year one). It would give less risk to the team in case of injury, gives him more money per year, and allows him to cash in on a max offer after three years if he proves it.
As for the second edit question. I'm not sure how long, but it probably is until you reach a certain # of posts. You could probably go visit the football forums, baseball forums, general nba forums, college basketball forums, trade forums, draft forums, etc, if you are interested, and get posts by participating in those so you don't have to just make posts here to get your numbers and over post.