Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[sully00]

When was the last time Jackie Mac has broken anything? She is pretty much regulated to puff pieces these days.

Yeah, what makes me doubt Jackie a lot (I think she's been off lately) is what she says about Doc and Rondo..."he doesn't like him. He's done with Rondo." I feel like that flies in that face of what Rondo and Doc say. Obviously they are political about it in the media, but I really doubt both guys are lying when they say they talk on the phone a lot. Maybe Doc is done with Rondo the player, but I find it pretty harsh (exaggerated) to say Doc doesn't like him.

With that said, I think there's a decent chance Rondo is traded...just not as extremely as Jackie believes.

This is the thing she is spot on right about. Jackie's source in the Celtics organization was Doc Rivers. She doesn't have a direct relationship with Danny. There was very much a personal issue between Doc and Rondo. It isn't that they hated each other it is just that Doc couldn't win him over like he did with Pierce. Doc wants guys like KG and Chris Paul guys that will run through a wall for him not someone he has to constantly try and convince he is right.

Rondo went to Cedric Maxwell last off season and asked him how to handle the situation after Doc left, how to get off on better foot with Stevens. Rondo is worried about his reputation that is why he is going to put the spin on everything that he wants to stay and how he loves Boston and will do that till the day he is gone. I am sure he would rather stay but if they aren't going to get him any help what is the point, they shouldn't resign him and he shouldn't resign. Without the addition of some all star talent to this team it is just time to move on.

If Rondo wanted to stay he would sign the 3 year 45 mil extension now he isn't likely to see a lot more money than that in FA anyhow and with a trade kicker he would be damn close to maxed out if he got dealt. That is what guys who want to stay do. Guys that want to move on or shop around don't.

I don't want to see him go he is a good player but at the same time I am really against giving him a lot of money on a new deal when the team isn't competitive he may become an albatross financially on a new deal.

[DarkAzcura]

I know about Jackie and Doc's supposed relationship, but if that were real, how was she so off last year when Doc left? She said without a doubt, he would be back. I know things change, and it did after KG and Pierce left, but Jackie seemed pretty sure of herself that Doc would be here for the rebuilding phase. I'm actually starting to think it is Ainge that Jackie has a connection with not Doc if anybody.

Again to say so rashly that Doc doesn't like Rondo seems off. I know Doc didn't like Rondo on the court, but both have made it clear that they still talk on the phone a lot. That's why I'm picking issue with how she phrased it. Nitpicking probably, but to me, I'm not sure Doc is her source anymore if ever.

[The Infamous1]

They should've traded him awhile ago. It's a young rebuilding situation and he doesn't fit especially since he's not a franchise player. It's not like your building around him.

[RobPow28]

If this is true we are not going to get anything back in return for a trade, there are too many factors.

Coming off of injury, is he the same player
Doesn't want to be here
Will he sign and extension (really limits the teams we can trade him too)

His value will be diminished greatly.

[DarkAzcura]

They should've traded him awhile ago. It's a young rebuilding situation and he doesn't fit especially since he's not a franchise player it's not like your building around him.

Nope. Ainge doesn't go all in like that. If the Cavs didn't get the number 1 pick, there is a good chance Love would be here to support Rondo. Even with this report nothing is set in stone at all but obviously there is a decent chance it happens if the Celtics aren't performing well by the deadline.

Also I know I posted this thread and didn't really help the spread of this info, but I'm a little mad Jackie casually put this out there like that. Blah. It's gaining traction now.

[celtxman]

First - I think Jackie M has no reason to make this up - it is what it is.
With that said it looks like the Celtics might as well do a Kevin Love type auction. At this point I'm not terribly worried that Rondo will just play out his contract and the Celtics get nothing - remember Rondo has not gotten a MAX contract yet and he's going to want one. His buddy Carmelo under the guise of being loyal to NY, grabbed way more money in NY rather than having a much better championship opportunity in Chicago. He did the same thing coming in from Denver when he had NY gut their team rather than letting them sign him for less money as a free agent in the off-season. So Rondo will want the benefit of the Bird Rights extra year and likely a higher base salary that a contending team couldn't afford without a sign-and-trade.
I'm ready for the whole process to begin. I have no idea if shifting focus to get say Greg Monroe or someone else would interest Rondo, after Love was out of the picture, but if not - if something can be done to start the ball rolling sooner rather than later - get it done. If there is an advantage to waiting to get more - than do that. This last year has felt like 10 bad years

[DK-All Day]

I'm waiting on a WojBomb.

I like Jackie, but I'm waiting on other reporters to confirm this.

[rickrolled]

Well in case this was the truth, i'm not worried since Ainge has always shopped Rondo, or got "feelers" for his players.

So there might be a deal out there that's overwhelmingly good to pass up.

I would be extremely happy though if Rondo signed an extension this year with a signing bonus of 6 million (paid Upfront to Rondo) and the extension starts in 15-16. Together with a trade kicker and a NTC.

[FlatearthZorro]

Yo!

She don't know what she's talking about. She didn't even know Isaiah Thomas wasn't on the Kings. & Then she said the "Big kid" McLemore.

& Why would the Clippers want him? That entire thing was completely nonsense except the fact that she said that he told them he wants out.

I'm not believing this nonsense. I don't even like when she calls games. It's such basic stuff, any of us w/ a couple sources would be better than her.

I seen that GB thread a few hours ago & it got me so mad. It's nonsense.

I agree absolutely agre with you...

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo gets traded... Maybe it will be a team like Detroit... they need to win, and they could potentially offer players/picks + Smith is on their team. We can get Monroe and a pick.. or whatever, just hypothetically..

[DK-All Day]

Also, If the Kings want Rondo, Nik Stauskas is coming to Boston. There is no way around it. Ben McLemore looked like a low-IQ bust last year and the Kings drafting another SG the year after speaks volumes.

It should be Stauskas or bust from the Celtics POV.

[rickrolled]

Greg Monroe accepted the QO from DET, He has the right to veto any trade, because he'll lose his bird rights.

He won't come to Boston for Rondo. Just forget about trade ideas involving Monroe.

As for Sacramento, We have no need for McLemore with Bradley, Young, and Smart (combo guard). Plus any pick they have will be really bad and at least in 2017. That's all nonsensical for Boston.

The trade I see reasonable for Boston, not optimal but reasonable is Bledsoe sign and trade with the Lakers pick.

But for Phoenix, they have signed Thomas, Dragic is a UFA next year, and Rondo will not sign an extension if traded, but test FA next year. So what seems good for Boston might not even be possible for PHX.

And when it's not optimal to get Bledsoe, because we have Smart already. Bledsoe has knee issues and hasn't played many games the last 2 years.

So all in all I think Rondo plays out the year in Boston, don't see any trades out there that helps us long term or short.

Trade deadline will come and go (take my word for it) and Rondo will remain with the Celtics.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Isn't this the 4th year in a row she has claimed he was gone? She always hears "whispers" of something

[SuperDeluxe]

I love how many celtics fans wants him to be traded..

Reading some of the stuff written on this forum lately makes me wonder if the process to derive logical conclusions is still being taught in school. Last week we were treated to a post telling us that Rondo wasn't being traded because he participated in the Ice Bucket Challenge with Ainge and Wyc. Now we're being told that we want Rondo traded because we choose to believe or not to believe a report saying that Rondo wants out. Good times!

[robbie84]

Two bits of info here which are important.
The second bit is even more interesting.


1) I thought this was relevant and to me it gives her some credibility if you're looking for it...
http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/11 ... -slam-dunk
When Love came to Boston, Jackie Mac was pretty adamant that a deal wasn't looking good because we didn't have what Minnesota wanted. I mean if you read the article at the time she's got someone telling her almost EXACTLY what was going to happen. I mean it wasn't that hard to put those conclusions together but she was spot on.
One quote at the time was :
'There's only one problem with all these dizzying (and highly speculative) scenarios: They are meaningless unless the first domino -- Love actually coming to Boston -- falls. According to team and league sources, that isn't happening any time soon because the Timberwolves are less than enamored with what Boston can offer them.

The conversation would have adopted a completely different tone had the Celtics landed the first, second or third pick in the draft. The Timberwolves, like everyone else, covet the opportunity to have a crack at one of the troika of Joel Embiid, Andrew Wiggins and Jabari Parker.'

2) What makes this recent 'Rondo wants out' claim by her more interesting is that in this same article about Love, she doesn't suggest that 'Rondo wants out'. She just says that he hasn't given the Celtics any guarantees that he's in for the long haul.


'If you are Kevin Love and can choose to join a team with top dogs Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah or Rondo and Jeff Green, which way are you leaning?
Remember, there's still no guarantee Rondo is sticking around for any of this. He does not want to languish with a young rebuilding team in the prime of his career. Can't say I blame him. He wants to play in a big market, which limits trade destinations for Boston, and he wants a max deal. He has not given the Celtics any guarantees he's in for the long haul.'


So three months ago she says Rondo hasn't given the Celtics any guarantees and wouldn't blame him if he explored free agency.
Now she says 'he's told them he wants out'.
Cal me crazy but she appears to be going off recent information-as in the last few months,

[RondoToKG]

Not surprising if true.....

Not surprising if not true....

[robbie84]

Yo!

She don't know what she's talking about. She didn't even know Isaiah Thomas wasn't on the Kings. & Then she said the "Big kid" McLemore.

& Why would the Clippers want him? That entire thing was completely nonsense except the fact that she said that he told them he wants out.

I'm not believing this nonsense. I don't even like when she calls games. It's such basic stuff, any of us w/ a couple sources would be better than her.

I seen that GB thread a few hours ago & it got me so mad. It's nonsense.

I agree absolutely agre with you...

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo gets traded... Maybe it will be a team like Detroit... they need to win, and they could potentially offer players/picks + Smith is on their team. We can get Monroe and a pick.. or whatever, just hypothetically..

She doesn't suggest the Clippers, the other guy does and she shuts down that suggestion. And what does it matter that she doesn't know Isiah Thomas was traded? She doesn't read hoops rumors every day lol she has no reason to care whether the Kings moved their hyped up PG.
She's rattling off suggestions she's heard in the media to shoot the ish with the other guy.
All that matters is that she's got a source that must be pretty good for her to be that convinced, and I think that's everyone's worry here.

I do remember when Rondo bailed on the team to miss the Kings game that same few days after the Kings rumor first surfaced which is funny to think about.

[celticsfan34]

Not surprising if true.....

Not surprising if not true....

Yeah I've kinda taken the fact that Rondo could stay or go any day of the week. Personally I want him to stay, but if he goes and the team I'd like to see Boston send to him is Phoenix. I think they have the best assets and picks(?) to give. They a lot of young players that could help the rebuild or become trade assets when they get better. With the contract dilemma between Bledsoe and the front office, could they throw in Bledsoe for Rondo?

[kbrow20]

If he wants out then why not use him to move your horrible Wallace? Why not a Wallace + Bass + Rondo for Stat + Hardaway Jr + Larkin

Larkin can be third string and so can Stat or you can just release Stat if you want too. Hardaway Jr is a solid piece for the future

[Bad-Thoma]

I'm waiting on a WojBomb.

I like Jackie, but I'm waiting on other reporters to confirm this.

This. One Jackie claim, and all of a sudden it's all over the place. I'm not saying it's not true, but I won't buy it because of one article and a bunch of spin-offs from that article. This'll either gain real traction if other credible sources find something similar or it will die the slow, boring death of oh so many sports rumors. I'm hoping for option B, but honestly don't care that much. Rondo is one of my favs but if really does want to go somewhere where he can compete I don't blame him. It doesn't seem like his M.O. though.

[BRUNiNHO91]

That is like the easiest thing to say right now. It's like the people who have been saying LaMarcus Aldridge wants out of Portland for like 5 years until they got Lillard and played well.

Stars on crap teams automatically want out. Or so they say.

If he does want to leave us without even playing a full damn season with us rebuilding, that says a lot.

My best options would be to the Lakers for Nash and Randle, to the Suns for Dragic + Len or to the Kings for Stauskas or McLemore +Fillers.

The problem with Rondo is we are going to get hosed if he keeps telling teams he won't resign. We are going to end up having to trade him to a contender for chump change.