Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[Parliament10]

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[CelticFaninLBC]

FWIW, the one plausible trade possibility mentioned by Jackie in the video was Bledsoe, provided he could be signed reasonably.

Agree, and can see LAL or Sac getting involved and taking Bledsoe and sending back players to Boston, while PHX takes Rondo and maybe Green, and sends Boston a pick...

How many years do you want to set this team back?

Nobody builds a team like this, literally nobody has built a contender this way.

Plenty of teams have built through the draft...

[StojkoVrankovic]

Agree, and can see LAL or Sac getting involved and taking Bledsoe and sending back players to Boston, while PHX takes Rondo and maybe Green, and sends Boston a pick...

How many years do you want to set this team back?

Nobody builds a team like this, literally nobody has built a contender this way.

Plenty of teams have built through the draft...

Not by trading their best players first and starting over. It is a backwards way of building anything

[sully00]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Starting to agree with Tenabomber (or whoever) in that the Cs should just sit him down. Let's see what that does to his contract for next year. He will not have shown that his knee is healthy. Sit him until he agrees to play hard and consider resigning with whoever the Cs might trade him to. He does not have to guarantee anything. But to block trades at this point is infuriating. Cs have no guarantee one way or the other so why should anyone else. SIT HIM. I am in total support of such a move.

That would be franchise suicide. Danny and Wyc have spent the better part of the last decade attempting to create an extremely player friendly environment to make this team a more attractive place to play. To attempt to punish a player for not either signing and extension or helping you trade him would have brutal implications on the future of this franchise.

It is not Rajon Rondo's responsibility to be the best trade asset he can for the Boston Celtics. If they want to trade him then they should trade him but he doesn't have to help facilitate that transaction.

[Captain_Caveman]

How many years do you want to set this team back?

Nobody builds a team like this, literally nobody has built a contender this way.

Plenty of teams have built through the draft...

Not by trading their best players first and starting over. It is a backwards way of building anything

Really depends on the context. Lots of teams have lost/traded their best players and lived to tell about it.

SEA/OKC seem to have fallen on their feet after trading Ray Allen to us. Grizzlies traded Pau and did well. New Orleans also not looking too bad right now. Pelicans and Cavs both got the top pick in the draft the year after Paul and LeBron left.

There's a lot of factors with Rondo that define his value to us or anyone else. The scales tip a certain way, and you do what you have to do IMO.

[calamity]

FWIW, the one plausible trade possibility mentioned by Jackie in the video was Bledsoe, provided he could be signed reasonably.

Agree, and can see LAL or Sac getting involved and taking Bledsoe and sending back players to Boston, while PHX takes Rondo and maybe Green, and sends Boston a pick...

again why is PHX brought up as a possible destination? Bledsoe wants max. Dont see how he lowers it just to play in Boston. Maybe LA but why would any team do that if he threatened or suggested at least to take the QO and become unrestricted next year. Dude has no leverage and is highly overrated, hence why no offer sheet for him this summer and PHX wont agree to give him the max unless there was another team that would do the same. Also when has Ainge overpaid for a guard?

Hardwood Proxysm makes another good point in this tweet.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/506508563645079552[/tweet]

[gocelts]

Yawn.....no one WANTS Rondo to leave more than they want the Cs to win. Rondo has also expressed his desire to win too....but if a Danny fails to bring in more talent or doesnt balance out this roster, then I'm pretty sure everyone will agree that Boston isn't the best fit for Rondos extended career.

Playing out this season is a win win for everyone. Rondo gets to showcase himself to the league for that new contract, and we won't be expected to win much either,

If Rondo plays well, his value either goes up for a potential trade, or perhaps our teams value goes up as a possible destination for an acquired disgruntled Allstar to pair with Rondo.

If he doesn't play well, he may not get the money he's expecting in the FA market and our chances of keeping him go up.

[CelticFaninLBC]

How many years do you want to set this team back?

Nobody builds a team like this, literally nobody has built a contender this way.

Plenty of teams have built through the draft...

Not by trading their best players first and starting over. It is a backwards way of building anything

What's you plan?

[Captain_Caveman]

FWIW, the one plausible trade possibility mentioned by Jackie in the video was Bledsoe, provided he could be signed reasonably.

Agree, and can see LAL or Sac getting involved and taking Bledsoe and sending back players to Boston, while PHX takes Rondo and maybe Green, and sends Boston a pick...

again why is PHX brought up as a possible destination? Bledsoe wants max. Dont see how he lowers it just to play in Boston. Maybe LA but why would any team do that if he threatened or suggested at least to take the QO and become unrestricted next year. Dude has no leverage and is highly overrated, hence why no offer sheet for him this summer and PHX wont agree to give him the max unless there was another team that would do the same. Also when has Ainge overpaid for a guard?

Hardwood Proxysm makes another good point in this tweet.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/506508563645079552[/tweet]

I think PHX might do it because Rondo is a better player. Barring their upping their offer, they also don't have much more control over Bledsoe, who can just take the QO and be unrestricted like Rondo next summer.

I think Boston might do it because (a) they would have control over Bledsoe past this season in a sign-and-trade, and (b) probably at a lower price point than Rondo will resign for next summer, if he resigns.

I don't really think it is that ludicrous, just a matter of where each team values each player. And certainly plausible given our reported past interest in Bledsoe and McDonough's experience with Rondo in Boston (may have even been a/the proponent of drafting him in the first place).

[calamity]

I think PHX might do it because Rondo is a better player. Barring their upping their offer, they also don't have much more control over Bledsoe, who can just take the QO and be unrestricted like Rondo next summer.

I think Boston might do it because (a) they would have control over Bledsoe past this season in a sign-and-trade, and (b) probably at a lower price point than Rondo will resign for next summer, if he resigns.

I don't really think it is that ludicrous, just a matter of where each team values each player. And certainly plausible given our reported past interest in Bledsoe and McDonough's experience with Rondo in Boston (may have even been a/the proponent of drafting him in the first place).

PHX can call his bluff because it is mighty risky for injury prone small guard to take such money especially if he can get injuries again. Also PHX has guard depth that may hurt his stats. Both Ainge and McD arent overpaying for guards. Rondo is still a flight risk for PHX because they really arent contenders. They have a ball dominat guard in Dragic already (who happens also to be a free agent next season and also shares the same agent as Rondo). Not really seeing the appeal here for either parties.

Again why would Bledsoe take lower than max just to play in Boston (who aren't even the team that PHX is currently?) I am sure Ainge feels the $12 a year that the Suns are offering him is more than fair. So I don't really see the logic in any of this.

[LongTimeFan]

Rondo may have said something like "I want out." meaning out of the cellar. Or out of the tanking mode.

I cannot think of a better fit for Rondo in an organization.

[Captain_Caveman]

Another unholy scenario that hasn't been discussed much but probably should be is just dumping the guy and tanking this year. Seems to be the book on how to lose a star player of late. Cavs, Pelicans and to a lesser extent, the Magic all did well for themselves by just **** the bed the following season after losing their star.

Quite possible that the highest return we can get on the guy is moving up 5 spots in next year's lottery (in addition to something like a mid-1st round pick and some expirings).

[Captain_Caveman]

I think PHX might do it because Rondo is a better player. Barring their upping their offer, they also don't have much more control over Bledsoe, who can just take the QO and be unrestricted like Rondo next summer.

I think Boston might do it because (a) they would have control over Bledsoe past this season in a sign-and-trade, and (b) probably at a lower price point than Rondo will resign for next summer, if he resigns.

I don't really think it is that ludicrous, just a matter of where each team values each player. And certainly plausible given our reported past interest in Bledsoe and McDonough's experience with Rondo in Boston (may have even been a/the proponent of drafting him in the first place).

PHX can call his bluff because it is mighty risky for injury prone small guard to take such money especially if he can get injuries again. Also PHX has guard depth that may hurt his stats. Both Ainge and McD arent overpaying for guards. Rondo is still a flight risk for PHX because they really arent contenders. They have a ball dominat guard in Dragic already (who happens also to be a free agent next season and also shares the same agent as Rondo). Not really seeing the appeal here for either parties.

Again why would Bledsoe take lower than max just to play in Boston (who aren't even the team that PHX is currently?) I am sure Ainge feels the $12 a year that the Suns are offering him is more than fair. So I don't really see the logic in any of this.

Really doesn't look like Bledsoe is bluffing about not taking that $12m a year, and doesn't look like Phoenix is budging off it either. Also a wide range between $12m a year and $20m a year. Boston and Phoenix could have different opinions of where Bledsoe fits in that range. Ditto Rondo.

[calamity]

I think PHX might do it because Rondo is a better player. Barring their upping their offer, they also don't have much more control over Bledsoe, who can just take the QO and be unrestricted like Rondo next summer.

I think Boston might do it because (a) they would have control over Bledsoe past this season in a sign-and-trade, and (b) probably at a lower price point than Rondo will resign for next summer, if he resigns.

I don't really think it is that ludicrous, just a matter of where each team values each player. And certainly plausible given our reported past interest in Bledsoe and McDonough's experience with Rondo in Boston (may have even been a/the proponent of drafting him in the first place).

PHX can call his bluff because it is mighty risky for injury prone small guard to take such money especially if he can get injuries again. Also PHX has guard depth that may hurt his stats. Both Ainge and McD arent overpaying for guards. Rondo is still a flight risk for PHX because they really arent contenders. They have a ball dominat guard in Dragic already (who happens also to be a free agent next season and also shares the same agent as Rondo). Not really seeing the appeal here for either parties.

Again why would Bledsoe take lower than max just to play in Boston (who aren't even the team that PHX is currently?) I am sure Ainge feels the $12 a year that the Suns are offering him is more than fair. So I don't really see the logic in any of this.

Really doesn't look like Bledsoe is bluffing about not taking that $12m a year, and doesn't look like Phoenix is budging off it either. Also a wide range between $12m a year and $20m a year. Boston and Phoenix could have different opinions of where Bledsoe fits in that range. Ditto Rondo.

Well then he isnt bluffing about the max. In any sign and trade, it would have to be for max. I doubt they have differing opinions. If they did this would be discussed already and it hasn't. By doing this (a max sign and trade) you are massively overpaying for Bledsoe (who really isnt that great) if he really intended to take the QO. Why pay him something starting at 15-16 mil if you can get him for less if he is unrestricted next year?

[sully00]

I think PHX might do it because Rondo is a better player. Barring their upping their offer, they also don't have much more control over Bledsoe, who can just take the QO and be unrestricted like Rondo next summer.

I think Boston might do it because (a) they would have control over Bledsoe past this season in a sign-and-trade, and (b) probably at a lower price point than Rondo will resign for next summer, if he resigns.

I don't really think it is that ludicrous, just a matter of where each team values each player. And certainly plausible given our reported past interest in Bledsoe and McDonough's experience with Rondo in Boston (may have even been a/the proponent of drafting him in the first place).

PHX cannot trade Bledsoe he is a restricted FA. He can be signed and traded, he can sign an offer sheet with another team and he can sign the qualifying offer. If he signs the QO he cannot be traded without his permission and if he is traded he loses his bird rights.

This is not a scenario that makes a ton of sense but it is plausible. That he takes the QO and agrees to a trade to Boston, who should be able to clear enough cap space to resign him or in theory to sign and trade him.

[Bad-Thoma]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Starting to agree with Tenabomber (or whoever) in that the Cs should just sit him down. Let's see what that does to his contract for next year. He will not have shown that his knee is healthy. Sit him until he agrees to play hard and consider resigning with whoever the Cs might trade him to. He does not have to guarantee anything. But to block trades at this point is infuriating. Cs have no guarantee one way or the other so why should anyone else. SIT HIM. I am in total support of such a move.

That would take the overstated lack of appeal of Boston to free agents and make it understated. The thought of wanting to strong arm a star player based on a rumor... from a video that gets taken down... to lower their value... . For what? Loyalty? For every speculation (and that's all it's been) that he might not want to be here there has been 5 trade rumors about him. It's a business.

[Captain_Caveman]

I think PHX might do it because Rondo is a better player. Barring their upping their offer, they also don't have much more control over Bledsoe, who can just take the QO and be unrestricted like Rondo next summer.

I think Boston might do it because (a) they would have control over Bledsoe past this season in a sign-and-trade, and (b) probably at a lower price point than Rondo will resign for next summer, if he resigns.

I don't really think it is that ludicrous, just a matter of where each team values each player. And certainly plausible given our reported past interest in Bledsoe and McDonough's experience with Rondo in Boston (may have even been a/the proponent of drafting him in the first place).

PHX cannot trade Bledsoe he is a restricted FA. He can be signed and traded, he can sign an offer sheet with another team and he can sign the qualifying offer. If he signs the QO he cannot be traded without his permission and if he is traded he loses his bird rights.

This is not a scenario that makes a ton of sense but it is plausible. That he takes the QO and agrees to a trade to Boston, who should be able to clear enough cap space to resign him or in theory to sign and trade him.

I think it would only be a sign-and-trade if it happens... probably in the $14m a year range, aka a lot less than Rondo is likely to want/get.

[ConstableGeneva]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/506532249542881280[/tweet]

Nothing to see here. This whole thing's still a non-story. Nothing about Rondo's status has changed after the release and eventual deletion of the JackieMac video. Carry on.

[Parliament10]

This isn't the time for Rondo to demand a trade from Celtics
September 1, 2014, 10:45 am

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/isn ... de-celtics

Rondo is a polarizing, maddeningly talented point guard with a high basketball I.Q. who's sometimes too smart for his own good. He's a crossover-dribbling, ankle-breaking embodiment of the yin-yang theory.

That said, the idea that he would demand a trade at this point is a bit of a head-scratcher. Why now, on the eve of training camp, rather than at the start of the summer, when teams had money to spend and would have been more eager to get something done?

Multiple league sources have repeatedly said that Rondo wants to start the season in Boston and see where things go from there. A similar sentiment has trickled out of Celtics camp, as well.

[Parliament10]

Great reporting "ConstableGeneva"

[tweet]https://twitter.com/HoopsRumors/status/506532249542881280[/tweet]

Nothing to see here. This whole thing's still a non-story. Nothing about Rondo's status has changed after the release and eventual deletion of the JackieMac video. Carry on.

From that article:

2:58pm: An ESPN spokesperson released a statement to Hoops Rumors via email explaining why the video was removed.

“Around the Horn producers felt they had put Jackie in a difficult position since the discussion was being characterized externally as reporting rather than as an informed conversation among our panelists. For this reason, the decision was made to remove the video,” the statement read.