Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[KJandHondo35]

Sorry the league is different than college. It really irks me when someone tries to justify a bust because of their college stats. A team with Monroe, Smart, Mclemore, and Sully is mediocre and still doesn't probably sniff the 8th or 9th seed in the east. Good for the tank, but not it you are paying Monroe big bucks and there are better bigs in this upcoming draft.

People that think 1 season is any indication of what a play can do is equally limited in scope. Also you contradict yourself saying that a 4 some of under 25 year olds (All high upside talents) are not good but then saying there are better players in the draft. We would technically get a high draft pick and still have insurance with Monroe. Draft picks are risks, Monroe is proven to be virtually a walking double-double with All-NBA team potential (he's top 5 offensively for Centers with no improvement). McLemore is also a risk because your viewing him as a Lotto pick in a bad system/team with knockdown shooting potential and defensive capability. He still has more upside than Bradley and is 21 considering Avery put out 3 really bad offensive seasons, he's still ahead of the game. But he's an asset, with legitimate skill, that is far better than nothing.

This team needs an overhaul, any assets are better than no assets. We sold out for the big 3, won a championship, and now we are faced with rehabilitation. We are lucky we have a good/young coach that can grow with a team, because this is a 2-3 year project at the very least. I think Smart and Young were a great start, character and potential with both. Like I said, this is my personal gut feeling on this topic. For all the flack the 76ers get, I think in league circles they are not viewed so harshly. The are exploiting a perceived loophole or market inefficiency which is why the Commish is trying to limit it. Young players are cheap, you take the highest potential and a lot of them and take the odds 2 or 3 reach it. So the 6ers are grabbing those guys that fit their overall system/ideal of athletic and long players at every position with defensive prowess

Green and Rondo both have a high percent likelihood that they will leave next offseason (just like Thad Young was thought to bolt ASAP, without saying on record anything).. You won't get equal value but anything is better than nothing, which is why I just think it's much better to find the best deal on the table.


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If building through draft is what you want then fine, Smart and Mclemore are a start, but giving Monroe long term big bucks when there are likely better bigs in this and upcoming draft is taking crazy pills. He is no where near all NBA talent, if he was he would have been scooped up as an RFA (like Hayward and Parsons because good bigs arent easy to come by). He is a defensive liability with small hands. A fourth banana on a contending team, if that. So yeah you could build with that young backcourt though IMO it isn't great, especially with no veteran presence
for those two. But there is no need for Greg.

I mean think what you want about Greg, I've posted enough on him. But don't get it twisted, he and his agent told every team that they were not accepting RFA offers because they didn't want to give the Pistons any chance to match and keep him there for 4-5 more seasons. He wanted out of DET, he was only looking for a S&T and had 5 teams working with SVG to do so, but SVG didn't get a trade to his liking. So just using the fact no offers were made as a product of his value/potential/ or current skill would be a mistake.

But yeah if you still are not a fan of Greg that's chill. I don't see him possibly involved in a Rondo deal, it would be a pure FA push. The real point of my original post was Rondo is worth a Prospect-Expiring-Pick which isn't equal to his value in terms of W/L but better than nothing.





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[robbie84]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Give me a break. Jackie M was WRONG(spell it W-R-O-N-G) and Rondo's people came out and said it. You sound like a politician trying to spin things to cover up Jackie M's bull gaffe. The bottom line is Jackie M can't stand Rondo and you can tell by simply reading her articles and her talking about him the past few years. She can't stand him because she's used to getting "scoops" from Celtics stars and she knows she will NEVER get one from Rondo. Jackie M is a HACK.

So Rondo's agent's spokesperson says it's 'untrue' and because this sportsagent's spokesperson claims that, you're assuming they're holding their hand on the bible and swearing by it? Talk about political spin haha you're just believing what you want to believe.
That's fair enough if you want to believe that but don't discredit a hall of fame writer.
She doesn't get the inside scoops? She was the only reporter with the inside scoop on Kevin Love's visit and why he was unlikely to become a Celtic. Now whoever she got that information on Kevin Love from is from an inside circle. If she's that convinced then someone has likely told her that she trusts for this kind of stuff just like the Kevin Love story. In the same article she says she understands if Rondo doesn't want to hang around for the rebuild. She thinks Rondo is a great player and I'm not sure why you're attacking her when all she's done is told the truth about Rondo.
Listen to this from February:
http://www.chatsports.com/boston-celtic ... -0-9354082

Read her 'scoop' on the Kevin Love visit and see what she says about Rondo is that too:
http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/11 ... -slam-dunk

It's just very funny that you're ripping into other Celtics RealGmer's for saying she's credible then you quote Rondo's agent's spokesperson as being more credible. Hypocrite much?

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Eh, you keep spewing this line but the reality is that if Rondo gets the max it's going to mean he had a GREAT year. And in that case there is no way this team isn't in the playoffs in this lousy EC. If this team is in the playoffs and Rondo is coming off a great year then why not pay him?

He'll not only have proved he's healthy and in top form but also that he's motivated to LEAD this young team. Honestly that's the scenario BOTH sides want. And I believe strongly that that is the case.

A lot of people in this debate are just not being forthcoming in their views. If you don't want Rondo on a max deal just say that. Don't concoct all these storylines of Rondo going to NY for the max (to play in the Triangle, LMAO) or Danny having to settle for 60 cents on the dollar.

This thing is going to end in one of two ways: Ainge trades for a great package that represents full value or it goes to free agency. Any other storyline people want to make up is essentially poppycock chicken littleism.

I don't think it is going to require some great year for him to get $18-20m on the free agent market. He is an known commodity and really just needs to demonstrate health and not completely fall apart. Guy is nearly certain to be a top 5 free agent a year ahead of a large cap jump. Given that other 2015 FAs are either restricted (Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Kemba Walker) or likely to stay on their current teams (Love, Aldridge, potentially Marc Gasol), there's even the possibility that Rondo will be *the* free agent next summer. I'd give it an 80% chance of it being a feeding frenzy of sorts, regardless of how our team performs this year.

Speaking of which, I will eat a **** rock if this team wins more than 35 games this year. We are young, small and not particularly talented).

[165bows]

Another unholy scenario that hasn't been discussed much but probably should be is just dumping the guy and tanking this year. Seems to be the book on how to lose a star player of late. Cavs, Pelicans and to a lesser extent, the Magic all did well for themselves by just **** the bed the following season after losing their star.

Quite possible that the highest return we can get on the guy is moving up 5 spots in next year's lottery (in addition to something like a mid-1st round pick and some expirings).

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Yeah man I agree with most all of what you are saying. I'm preaching to the choir with most everyone here but all the Rondo options are still really about the move after the next move.

If Danny can win another one without winning the FA sweepstakes (Durant, Davis, etc) or winning the lotto jackpot (who knows, really, from what I've read it's probably 2017 from people that really follow HS ball but that's still total crapshoot), then he should get a statue somewhere.

To me the extension thing is his total raise is somewhere around $6-7M per year, so all the wailing and gnashing of what contract is he worth boils down to what fraction of that does he get. But if he can't play, then yes it is all a waste.

What you are saying though is kind of what I'm getting at with a Houston deal as the best option if necessary. Like last year, their own lotto pick is the best return, then the late lotto pick is the NOP pick and a few goodies and go from there.

But I'd like to see what this team looks like (and the rest of the league) first.

[SMTBSI]

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

While I completely and totally acknowledge that it is by far the least likely outcome, there's one other scenario that I'm going to continue holding out hope for until no longer realistic:

(z) Rondo plays/leads so well this year that we're perfectly thrilled to pay him something hefty, due to both his performance and his free-agent-draw factor.


Of course we're obviously going to break down every other possible outcome in the meantime (my 2nd favorite is him playing at a high enough level to start the season to prompt a capped out team that couldn't sign him as a FA to make a big offer).

[Ed Pinkney]

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Yeah man I agree with most all of what you are saying. I'm preaching to the choir with most everyone here but all the Rondo options are still really about the move after the next move.

If Danny can win another one without winning the FA sweepstakes (Durant, Davis, etc) or winning the lotto jackpot (who knows, really, from what I've read it's probably 2017 from people that really follow HS ball but that's still total crapshoot), then he should get a statue somewhere.

To me the extension thing is his total raise is somewhere around $6-7M per year, so all the wailing and gnashing of what contract is he worth boils down to what fraction of that does he get. But if he can't play, then yes it is all a waste.

What you are saying though is kind of what I'm getting at with a Houston deal as the best option if necessary. Like last year, their own lotto pick is the best return, then the late lotto pick is the NOP pick and a few goodies and go from there.

But I'd like to see what this team looks like (and the rest of the league) first.

Agree with you here, particularly your last point on waiting to see how the first month or two of the season unfolds for the Celtics and the league. Unless Ainge gets an offer he would have a hard time saying no to (and what team is going to offer that?), this is not a good time to trade him in my opinion.

If he comes out playing like he did last season (knee injury or no knee injury, he was beyond terrible) then move him for whatever you can, even if it is 10 cents on the dollar. Particularly if he is a pain in the ass or is significantly impacting the development of other players on the team. Hopefully he recaptures his form from 2012 and the team is going OK in terms of wins and losses so he remains engaged. But I think you need to wait and see before making any moves.

But in terms of the extension, even if he plays well I would personally not want to see Ainge going much north of $15-16 million a year, anything more than that even with the salary cap expected to increase is a bad idea. Perhaps you could front load the contract? Give him more in the first two years and less in the second two?

Unless he comes back this season in All NBA form, then I also think Rondo is not the sort of player you should be too upset about losing for nothing next off season if he chooses to sign somewhere else. It is not ideal but I really don't see too many good offers coming in for him in a sign and trade or a mid-season trade for that matter.

Something I was interested in getting peoples thoughts on though, what do you think he does if he signs a big contract? His game in, game out effort and engagement has never been super consistent in the past. Does he continue in this way? Does he become another example of the infamous NBA contract year performer? Does he take his game to another level?

[KGboss]

I really dont think Rondo will resign anyway just out of loyalty. He is going into his short prime years, he is going to want to compete for rings. Unless management cant bring guys in next summer and sell him on the idea he wont stay. Same reason he wont resign with the Kings. hes not going to want to hang out just to collect a pay check.

[GreenBloodedC]

I'm not wishing ill, but if Rose does not work out for the Bulls. Any chance that it could be a possible destination for Rondo?

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'm not wishing ill, but if Rose does not work out for the Bulls. Any chance that it could be a possible destination for Rondo?

'Rose does not work out' means 'Rose is injured again or a shell of his former self.' Who are the Bulls going to give up for Rondo, if they went that route? It doesn't fit..

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm actually less opposed to the idea if Rondo is gone. At that point they either have to do it through the draft or hit some FA doublet-troika jackpot that gets pretty far fetched without any established talent.

With a Rondo here and their Nets assets, they could sniff jumping back in the big leagues. Without him they are crawling back up.

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Eh, you keep spewing this line but the reality is that if Rondo gets the max it's going to mean he had a GREAT year. And in that case there is no way this team isn't in the playoffs in this lousy EC. If this team is in the playoffs and Rondo is coming off a great year then why not pay him?

He'll not only have proved he's healthy and in top form but also that he's motivated to LEAD this young team. Honestly that's the scenario BOTH sides want. And I believe strongly that that is the case.

A lot of people in this debate are just not being forthcoming in their views. If you don't want Rondo on a max deal just say that. Don't concoct all these storylines of Rondo going to NY for the max (to play in the Triangle, LMAO) or Danny having to settle for 60 cents on the dollar.

This thing is going to end in one of two ways: Ainge trades for a great package that represents full value or it goes to free agency. Any other storyline people want to make up is essentially poppycock chicken littleism.

Sorry to reply twice and all, but as to me not being forthcoming in my views, I think it would be hard to be more forthcoming about how I see this. Been saying for 6-8 months now that this is a predicament and that we should sell early. Back when I was the first one talking about this, many here were like don't worry, he'll take an extension this summer, or don't worry, we'll be good again by July 2015, or don't worry, we can just trade him for a top 8 pick, or don't worry, he will resign for a reasonable salary in 2015. I don't see any of that happening, and the only circumstance I want Rondo making $18-20m a year in is if he is recruiting other all-stars like Love to play here.

Now I know that your takes have been that (a) he won't likely get the max or close to it, and that (b) it would be OK to lose him for nothing, but where I think where we diverge here is that I completely disagree with both of those things.

Teams fully understand that they have to overpay to lure someone else's free agent, which they are often OK with because it beats giving up actual assets for them. Coupled with the projected cap jump in 2016, it's probably going to take another serious injury to keep Rondo from getting paid by some dumb team out there that is lacking in other options.

I really doubt that this is lost on Ainge, given that, contrary to your opinion IMO, it sure as hell looks like he tried to trade him to the Kings for 70 cents on the dollar this summer until Rondo said no. I suspect that this is similar to Lester in that they have already made the decision not to pay him what his anticipated market value will be. Only so many ways you can play the hand after that.

[ParticleMan]

Here's what people haven't factored in: Rondo is going to be a major key to attracting another top player here. If we go into the 2015 offseason with a bunch of young, unestablished kids, big-ticket guys are not going to want to come here. Optimally, we keep Rondo and try to parlay our kids into a contender in the 2015 offseason. It really doesn't matter whether Rondo wants out or not, it's just not in the Celtics' interest to dump him now for a bunch of spare parts. No matter what, it's in Rondo's interest to play well this year, so I'm not worried about him sulking or whatever.

Is it a risk? Of course. There might be nobody big available in 2015 (which would be shocking since pretty much every offseason recently there has been big-name movement). Rondo might just walk, and then we lose out on Ben Mclemore or the like, boo freakin hoo. Or maybe Rondo really returns to all-star form, and we actually pay the man -- with the way salaries are going these days, an allstar pg for $18mil is not nuts by any means.

But if we trade him, we are all but GUARANTEEING that we are not going to make a big move in 2015. Possibly not even 2016, unless one of our kids blows up. I'd say the risk of missing out on getting pennies on the dollar for Rondo is worth it to just play this year out and see what happens in 2015.

[31to6]

This just in: Jackie reporting that the Celtics are looking to trade Rondo to the Kings for Mahmoud Abdul-Rouf and the 'pop musician' Macklemore.

[humblebum]

And where are they if they (a) lose him after finishing in the late lottery this season, or (b) are forced to resign him to a max or near-max contract?

Some seem to be operating under the assumption that the default here is keeping him on a reasonable extension. I don't think that is the case.

Eh, you keep spewing this line but the reality is that if Rondo gets the max it's going to mean he had a GREAT year. And in that case there is no way this team isn't in the playoffs in this lousy EC. If this team is in the playoffs and Rondo is coming off a great year then why not pay him?

He'll not only have proved he's healthy and in top form but also that he's motivated to LEAD this young team. Honestly that's the scenario BOTH sides want. And I believe strongly that that is the case.

A lot of people in this debate are just not being forthcoming in their views. If you don't want Rondo on a max deal just say that. Don't concoct all these storylines of Rondo going to NY for the max (to play in the Triangle, LMAO) or Danny having to settle for 60 cents on the dollar.

This thing is going to end in one of two ways: Ainge trades for a great package that represents full value or it goes to free agency. Any other storyline people want to make up is essentially poppycock chicken littleism.

Sorry to reply twice and all, but as to me not being forthcoming in my views, I think it would be hard to be more forthcoming about how I see this. Been saying for 6-8 months now that this is a predicament and that we should sell early. Back when I was the first one talking about this, many here were like don't worry, he'll take an extension this summer, or don't worry, we'll be good again by July 2015, or don't worry, we can just trade him for a top 8 pick, or don't worry, he will resign for a reasonable salary in 2015. I don't see any of that happening, and the only circumstance I want Rondo making $18-20m a year in is if he is recruiting other all-stars like Love to play here.

Now I know that your takes have been that (a) he won't likely get the max or close to it, and that (b) it would be OK to lose him for nothing, but where I think where we diverge here is that I completely disagree with both of those things.

Teams fully understand that they have to overpay to lure someone else's free agent, which they are often OK with because it beats giving up actual assets for them. Coupled with the projected cap jump in 2016, it's probably going to take another serious injury to keep Rondo from getting paid by some dumb team out there that is lacking in other options.

I really doubt that this is lost on Ainge, given that, contrary to your opinion IMO, it sure as hell looks like he tried to trade him to the Kings for 70 cents on the dollar this summer until Rondo said no. I suspect that this is similar to Lester in that they have already made the decision not to pay him what his anticipated market value will be. Only so many ways you can play the hand after that.

Responding to you other post first: Rondo is not a "known" commodity. He's a recently injured commodity who's not really showed well in limited action over the past two seasons. He's now heading into his 30's and plays the deepest position talent wise in the NBA. To say that his performance this season is not going to determine his market as a free agent is a bit stubborn. This is a HUGE year for Rondo.

Here's the thing, there might be a dumb team out there willing to pay Rondo the max even if he has a mediocre season but what are the chances that team is also going to be a better bet to contend than the Celtics under Ainge? Not very likely.

If Rondo doesn't have a great year an elevate this team to 35+ wins then he won't have great value to the Celtics or any other team and this whole debate just sort of becomes moot. If he ain't that good, can't get you anything substantial in a trade then what's the big deal if you "lose him for nothing?" Ooooooo.... No!! The Celtics are doomed because the Lakers threw 20 million at Rondo to be Kobe's ball jockey during his farewell tour! The horror. Or how about Phil chucking the triangle in order to snare Rondo from the Celtics. It's like: what is the threat of losing Rondo for nothing if he's not even moving the meter substantially? You miss out on Ben McLemore when you already have a better player locked up at his position in AB and when you'll likely be able to find a player of his caliber with one of 10 picks you have in the next 4 years?

Now if Rondo plays well then the discussion changes. You then have to say: how much is he worth in an expanded cap era? If the team feels that it's far south of what Rondo wants and what he's likely to be offered, sure sell him off for what you can get.

But there has been NO INDICATION the organization doesn't love the talent and the player. They want the player and they also want to see him lead this team. A healthy motivated Rondo is going to put this team in the playoffs or on pace for that. If not then it doesn't matter one bit what you do with him because he's not that good and you're looking at another 3-5 years of rebuilding. The minuscule set of assets people are discussing as his value pale in comparison to the potential benefit of trying to resign him.

[sully00]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Give me a break. Jackie M was WRONG(spell it W-R-O-N-G) and Rondo's people came out and said it. You sound like a politician trying to spin things to cover up Jackie M's bull gaffe. The bottom line is Jackie M can't stand Rondo and you can tell by simply reading her articles and her talking about him the past few years. She can't stand him because she's used to getting "scoops" from Celtics stars and she knows she will NEVER get one from Rondo. Jackie M is a HACK.

You sound like a lemming. There was no gaffe she was talking off air, did you even see the video? Kevin Love never asked for a trade, Chris Paul, never asked for a trade, Carmelo Anthony never asked for a trade, Dwight Howard never asked for a trade. Time to put on the big boy pants and get with the real world.

Rondo isn't asking for a trade, he doesn't want a trade, he wants to play out the season and sign with the team of his choice as a FA. If that team was Boston he wouldn't need to do a free agent tour.

What you need to come to grips with is this common knowledge not just in Boston but around the NBA everyone knows the deal already. If Ainge could trade him would he can't get any real value for him so it plays out.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I am not reading though all the posts but if he wants out who can blame him? From what I can see Celtics could be in the midst of a long rebuild. Celtics are in a tough position with Rondo. I suppose they need him to attract free agents but if they sign him to a max contract and the Celtics cannot get a good FA to play alongside him Rondo’s contract financial suicide. (I am being a bit dramatic I know)

Pierce was a player to build around; Rondo is not. Celtics need some good players around Rondo before they resign him. Problem is that it may not work out that way.

[Slartibartfast]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Give me a break. Jackie M was WRONG(spell it W-R-O-N-G) and Rondo's people came out and said it. You sound like a politician trying to spin things to cover up Jackie M's bull gaffe. The bottom line is Jackie M can't stand Rondo and you can tell by simply reading her articles and her talking about him the past few years. She can't stand him because she's used to getting "scoops" from Celtics stars and she knows she will NEVER get one from Rondo. Jackie M is a HACK.

You sound like a lemming. There was no gaffe she was talking off air, did you even see the video? Kevin Love never asked for a trade, Chris Paul, never asked for a trade, Carmelo Anthony never asked for a trade, Dwight Howard never asked for a trade. Time to put on the big boy pants and get with the real world.

Rondo isn't asking for a trade, he doesn't want a trade, he wants to play out the season and sign with the team of his choice as a FA. If that team was Boston he wouldn't need to do a free agent tour.

What you need to come to grips with is this common knowledge not just in Boston but around the NBA everyone knows the deal already. If Ainge could trade him would he can't get any real value for him so it plays out.

You really think this has reached Love/Paul/Melo/Dwight status? I don't see it. Big difference between wanting to explore free agency, and buying a one-way ticket out of town like all those guys did.

[BannersOnly]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Give me a break. Jackie M was WRONG(spell it W-R-O-N-G) and Rondo's people came out and said it. You sound like a politician trying to spin things to cover up Jackie M's bull gaffe. The bottom line is Jackie M can't stand Rondo and you can tell by simply reading her articles and her talking about him the past few years. She can't stand him because she's used to getting "scoops" from Celtics stars and she knows she will NEVER get one from Rondo. Jackie M is a HACK.

So Rondo's agent's spokesperson says it's 'untrue' and because this sportsagent's spokesperson claims that, you're assuming they're holding their hand on the bible and swearing by it? Talk about political spin haha you're just believing what you want to believe.
That's fair enough if you want to believe that but don't discredit a hall of fame writer.
She doesn't get the inside scoops? She was the only reporter with the inside scoop on Kevin Love's visit and why he was unlikely to become a Celtic. Now whoever she got that information on Kevin Love from is from an inside circle. If she's that convinced then someone has likely told her that she trusts for this kind of stuff just like the Kevin Love story. In the same article she says she understands if Rondo doesn't want to hang around for the rebuild. She thinks Rondo is a great player and I'm not sure why you're attacking her when all she's done is told the truth about Rondo.
Listen to this from February:
http://www.chatsports.com/boston-celtic ... -0-9354082

Read her 'scoop' on the Kevin Love visit and see what she says about Rondo is that too:
http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/11 ... -slam-dunk

It's just very funny that you're ripping into other Celtics RealGmer's for saying she's credible then you quote Rondo's agent's spokesperson as being more credible. Hypocrite much?

LOL, uh yeah buddy, somehow I think a person who gets paid by Rondo to represent/speak for him is more credible in telling us how Rondo feels than a reporter who is attempting to read Rondo's mind and actually has a hidden agenda against him. Jackie Mac is a Hall of Famer lol? For what? Scribbling in notepads? Give me a break. Is there an electrician's half of fame? Hoe about a plumber's? LOL, Hall of Famer my ass. She's a HACK and always will be.

[Edug27]

I think there is a ton overreaction here and not enough paying attention.

Jackie didn't say Rondo demanded a trade. She said she hopes that they trade him because he has told them that he wants out.

Bill Duffy's spokesperson stated that no trade demand came from him or Rondo. Not in anything that I have read has the concept that Rondo wants out of Boston been refuted, it was simply refuting the concept that Rondo has asked for a trade and that is not what Jackie said.

Other people have reported for over 6 months now that Rondo intends on doing the Carmelo Anthony type FA tour. Rondo isn't going to ask for a trade because he doesn't want to go to the team that gives Boston the best trade package he wants to go to the team that gives him the most love, money, chance to win. Getting traded to that team now would only weaken the team he would be going to.

Agree. Rondo's plans should be pretty obvious. He will spend this season proving that hes back to form. Next summer is not about loyalty or bleeding Green .. It's about Rajon Rondo. He will do whats best for him. Not Danny ... not Brad ... but him. He wants money, and he wants to win now. He will be looking for the best combination of both. If it's Boston, then so be it. If its another city,then he won't hesitate to go in that direction.

Danny knows this .. and by the deadline, he'll have an even better idea if Boston can even compete to keep him next summer. He'll also have a better idea of what kind of player Marcus Smart is, and can potentially develop into. At that point, Danny will take everything into consideration and make a move. Not sure why everyone thinks Danny will only trade Rondo is he's getting some great package in return.

[One Love]

Laker fan in peace... I am not sure on Rondo's value today given the knee & locker room issues but would you consider a 1st round pick (could be a high lottery pick if Kobe can't regain some of his form) with either Nash or Lin (both expiring contracts)... You would most likely end up with two lottery picks next year to add to your young core...

On a side note, I think Smart will be a poor mans D Wade.. Good luck next year...

[One Love]

Laker fan in peace... I am not sure on Rondo's value today given the knee & locker room issues but would you consider a 1st round pick (could be a high lottery pick if Kobe can't regain some of his form) with either Nash or Lin (both expiring contracts)... You would most likely end up with two lottery picks next year to add to your young core...

On a side note, I think Smart will be a poor mans D Wade.. Good luck next year...