The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[bigfoot]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/eric-bledsoe-countdown-30-days-143814359.html

Nice read on the Bledsoe situation...... We got him by the bawlz!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm looking at the alternate min and alternate max salaries and neither includes a 4th year salary. I don't understand why the long term deal doesn't include the 4th year salary.

Sure but then include the next contract after the 4/$48M offer from the Suns. Make the assumptions that 1) he stays healthy and 2) is still a max player. You could go on and on so instead just evaluate four years of salary.

What the article is showing is Bledsoe taking the QO versus the Suns option only grosses him and extra $5M. That presumes Bledsoe can get find a max contract next year, doesn't get injured, and gets sufficient playing time. All serious risks for an extra $5M.

When it gets closer to October 1st I expect Bledsoe and the Suns will sit and close the gap a little. Give him $13M per year for four years. Now the gap is reduced from $5M to $1M. I find it hard to believe Bledsoe will not be with the Suns for three or four more years. By December everyone will have forgotten this whole event because ... well basketball is just a business.

[lilfishi22]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/eric-bledsoe-countdown-30-days-143814359.html

Nice read on the Bledsoe situation...... We got him by the bawlz!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm looking at the alternate min and alternate max salaries and neither includes a 4th year salary. I don't understand why the long term deal doesn't include the 4th year salary.

Sure but then include the next contract after the 4/$48M offer from the Suns. Make the assumptions that 1) he stays healthy and 2) is still a max player. You could go on and on so instead just evaluate four years of salary.

What the article is showing is Bledsoe taking the QO versus the Suns option only grosses him and extra $5M. That presumes Bledsoe can get find a max contract next year, doesn't get injured, and gets sufficient playing time. All serious risks for an extra $5M.

When it gets closer to October 1st I expect Bledsoe and the Suns will sit and close the gap a little. Give him $13M per year for four years. Now the gap is reduced from $5M to $1M. I find it hard to believe Bledsoe will not be with the Suns for three or four more years. By December everyone will have forgotten this whole event because ... well basketball is just a business.

I think we're only looking at his "next big contract" which is either ours, the alternate min or alternate max, which is what he's looking for. So his option is either our deal at $12m/4 year starting now, or the other two which start after the next season. I just think it's a bit misleading to leave out that 4th year (whether guaranteed or not).

I think the figures would read more like $48m vs $60m vs $67.8m if we're comparing next big contracts.

[lilfishi22]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm looking at the alternate min and alternate max salaries and neither includes a 4th year salary. I don't understand why the long term deal doesn't include the 4th year salary.

They are making a point about the money he would make over the next 4 years under each scenario.

I get that, but in that 5th year, he'll have no contract if he was with us, where as he'd be looking at $16-18m, if he waited to sign after the QO.

[Revived]

I have a question. So you all know (if you don't, then you should know) that Miles Plumlee is pretty much garbage when playing without Bledsoe. He doesn't put forth quite the effort defensively and is a complete liability offensively when Bledsoe isn't in the game with him and when Bledsoe was out with injury last season. However when Bledsoe is playing, Plumlee is a much better rim protector, much, much more active both offensively and defensively and brings a lot more dunks and energy offensively.

SO....when it comes to paying Bledsoe, how much of a factor is the fact that our STARTING center Plumlee's performance is dependent on Bledsoe?

Doesn't that increase Bledsoe's value to the team since him staying in PHX helps solidify not just 1 but 2 positions from the starting 5?

[bigfoot]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm looking at the alternate min and alternate max salaries and neither includes a 4th year salary. I don't understand why the long term deal doesn't include the 4th year salary.

They are making a point about the money he would make over the next 4 years under each scenario.

I get that, but in that 5th year, he'll have no contract if he was with us, where as he'd be looking at $16-18m, if he waited to sign after the QO.

In the 5th year he will have a contract. He will be a restricted free agent again and will certainly sign with some team, Suns or otherwise. Making the assumption that he is still a stud/max player (and only 29 years old) he would get a max in low 20's (based on increasing revenue from TV contracts). Much better than the $16-$18M.

But really you miss the whole point of the article. If Bledsoe takes the qualifying offer he is very unlikely to recoup the dollars offered by the Suns over the course of his entire NBA career. They only way it would happen is if he is truly a max player and gets the max offer next year. If he takes the QO and gets injured or his play slips he's throwing money in hand away.

[Saberestar]

I have a question. So you all know (if you don't, then you should know) that Miles Plumlee is pretty much garbage when playing without Bledsoe. He doesn't put forth quite the effort defensively and is a complete liability offensively when Bledsoe isn't in the game with him and when Bledsoe was out with injury last season. However when Bledsoe is playing, Plumlee is a much better rim protector, much, much more active both offensively and defensively and brings a lot more dunks and energy offensively.

SO....when it comes to paying Bledsoe, how much of a factor is the fact that our STARTING center Plumlee's performance is dependent on Bledsoe?

Doesn't that increase Bledsoe's value to the team since him staying in PHX helps solidify not just 1 but 2 positions from the starting 5?

Yes, I think that increases a little his value. Like Paul/Chandler when they were together playing in New Orleans, Chandler was tremendously good on offense with Paul. At another level, Bledsoe impacts Plumlee's game too.

[King4Day]

I thought Plumlee's decline had more to do with the grind of the season than Bledsoe's absence. Since he's technically not our Center of the future (Len should be), that shouldn't be relevant, or else we should look to dump Plumlee this season before (if) we lose Bledsoe

[NotTraxxe]

Here is how this goes down:

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal. This means he will make 0 dollars more by taking the QO. And by doing so he is risking all of his future for 0 financial gain.

We will then tell him we demand a team option the fifth year.

And he is forced to say FU I will risk everything for no reward.
Or he will sign, lose no money.. and we move on.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Here is how this goes down:

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal. This means he will make 0 dollars more by taking the QO. And by doing so he is risking all of his future for 0 financial gain.

We will then tell him we demand a team option the fifth year.

And he is forced to say FU I will risk everything for no reward.
Or he will sign, lose no money.. and we move on.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

Nice. You read the Brightside/Yahoo article too, then broke out the calculator.

What's the dollar figure on the fifth year? I don't get adding a fifth year with a team option, because 1. There's no way Bledsoe accepts that after all this time and 2. It'll make Bledsoe a/our "designated player".

[King4Day]

A 5th year team option would be nice but to demand it would be silly. I'd much rather him be happy and locked up long term. I could see the offer Traxxe mentioned but with the 4th year being a player option instead.

[King4Day]

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal. This means he will make 0 dollars more by taking the QO. And by doing so he is risking all of his future for 0 financial gain.

Is there any reason we wouldn't offer this now? Would it be to prevent him from trying to continue to hustle us?

[carey]

In the 5th year he will have a contract. He will be a restricted free agent again and will certainly sign with some team, Suns or otherwise. Making the assumption that he is still a stud/max player (and only 29 years old) he would get a max in low 20's (based on increasing revenue from TV contracts). Much better than the $16-$18M.

He'll be a UFA at that point.

[carey]

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

I don't consider 4 years and $53 Million winning. It's a lot of scratch for Bledsoe and in my humble opinion probably too much. He's a really good player I just don't know that he's worth that much. I certainly don't like what going up from $48 Million will mean next Summer when it's time to negotiate Dragic's deal, which is almost certainly what is causing this line in the sand moment between Eric and the Suns.

[Saberestar]

$53M/4 years would be a win/win for both parts. Bledsoe worths that money, to me is not overpaying.

[King4Day]

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

I don't consider 4 years and $53 Million winning. It's a lot of scratch for Bledsoe and in my humble opinion probably too much. He's a really good player I just don't know that he's worth that much. I certainly don't like what going up from $48 Million will mean next Summer when it's time to negotiate Dragic's deal, which is almost certainly what is causing this line in the sand moment between Eric and the Suns.

If we can get him for under the max and a long term deal, I'd still consider it a win. Other teams would be willing to deal for him as long as he doesn't get too hurt. It wouldn't be as bad as the Eric Gordon situation could have been at least.

[jcsunsfan]

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

I don't consider 4 years and $53 Million winning. It's a lot of scratch for Bledsoe and in my humble opinion probably too much. He's a really good player I just don't know that he's worth that much. I certainly don't like what going up from $48 Million will mean next Summer when it's time to negotiate Dragic's deal, which is almost certainly what is causing this line in the sand moment between Eric and the Suns.

I would consider it a win/win with the advantage on the side of the Suns. Bledsoe has the potential to be a star player and that has shown since he has been in the league. He is also a very good two-way player. For the Suns, the reward outweighs the risk.

[RunDogGun]

Here is how this goes down:

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal. This means he will make 0 dollars more by taking the QO. And by doing so he is risking all of his future for 0 financial gain.

We will then tell him we demand a team option the fifth year.

And he is forced to say FU I will risk everything for no reward.
Or he will sign, lose no money.. and we move on.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

Nice. You read the Brightside/Yahoo article too, then broke out the calculator.

What's the dollar figure on the fifth year? I don't get adding a fifth year with a team option, because 1. There's no way Bledsoe accepts that after all this time and 2. It'll make Bledsoe a/our "designated player".

I thought this before about the DP, but either Gaspar or Phx#7 said it only applies to extended contracts. Bledsoe is not signing an extension.

[BurningHeart]

I'd rather use the money to pay an actual star that we have that isn't a primadonna ****.

[Sunsdeuce]

I'd rather use the money to pay an actual star that we have that isn't a primadonna ****.

Thinking the same thing. Seems like a waste on a disgruntled primadonna borderline star.


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[bwgood77]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm looking at the alternate min and alternate max salaries and neither includes a 4th year salary. I don't understand why the long term deal doesn't include the 4th year salary.

Sure but then include the next contract after the 4/$48M offer from the Suns. Make the assumptions that 1) he stays healthy and 2) is still a max player. You could go on and on so instead just evaluate four years of salary.

What the article is showing is Bledsoe taking the QO versus the Suns option only grosses him and extra $5M. That presumes Bledsoe can get find a max contract next year, doesn't get injured, and gets sufficient playing time. All serious risks for an extra $5M.

When it gets closer to October 1st I expect Bledsoe and the Suns will sit and close the gap a little. Give him $13M per year for four years. Now the gap is reduced from $5M to $1M. I find it hard to believe Bledsoe will not be with the Suns for three or four more years. By December everyone will have forgotten this whole event because ... well basketball is just a business.

I think we're only looking at his "next big contract" which is either ours, the alternate min or alternate max, which is what he's looking for. So his option is either our deal at $12m/4 year starting now, or the other two which start after the next season. I just think it's a bit misleading to leave out that 4th year (whether guaranteed or not).

I think the figures would read more like $48m vs $60m vs $67.8m if we're comparing next big contracts.

If you want to assume he wouldn't get another contract after ours. If you want to compare apples to apples you'd need to guesstimate the first year of his next contract. A max for him then could potentiall be really high. But the guaranteed part would be good in case he had a career ending injuring, but then again, he also has that risk of happening this year while waiting for that max.