The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[Saberestar]

Two #Suns share the same birthday today. It's the 25th anniversary of #FOE.

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[bwgood77]

Here is how this goes down:

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal. This means he will make 0 dollars more by taking the QO. And by doing so he is risking all of his future for 0 financial gain.

We will then tell him we demand a team option the fifth year.

And he is forced to say FU I will risk everything for no reward.
Or he will sign, lose no money.. and we move on.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

Nice. You read the Brightside/Yahoo article too, then broke out the calculator.

What's the dollar figure on the fifth year? I don't get adding a fifth year with a team option, because 1. There's no way Bledsoe accepts that after all this time and 2. It'll make Bledsoe a/our "designated player".

If it was a declining contract, it could only be 7% up or down from the 4th year, which would be the lowest year. I doubt he'd want that.

Also, I mentioned the same thing before about him being our designated player but was told (by Gaspar I believe) that was only with extensions after the rookie deals and it doesn't apply if he waits and becomes a RFA like he has.

I then asked Coon to verify that you could give a RFA guy coming off his rookie deal a 5 year deal and then another guy an extension and have him become your DP (Warren would be the only possibility here I think unless Len breaks out to become a super stud at some point). Coon never responded but someone else somehow saw it and responded yes.

[letsgosuns]

At this point, I cannot even think of any stars the Suns could be targeting in a trade and/or free agency. The only big name free agent I know of for 2015 is Lamarcus Aldridge, and he will be 30 years old next year and seeking a max contract. I am not really interested in that. There are basically no stars available besides him. So the Suns need to keep the only two star type players they have in Bledsoe and Dragic and hope that some of the young players turn into stars. That is basically where they are at, unless McDonough has something up his sleeve to trade for a star no one one would be expecting. I would not put it passed him. He has already shown his ability to make trades out of nowhere for some big names.

[jcsunsfan]

At this point, I cannot even think of any stars the Suns could be targeting in a trade and/or free agency. The only big name free agent I know of for 2015 is Lamarcus Aldridge, and he will be 30 years old next year and seeking a max contract. I am not really interested in that. There are basically no stars available besides him. So the Suns need to keep the only two star type players they have in Bledsoe and Dragic and hope that some of the young players turn into stars. That is basically where they are at, unless McDonough has something up his sleeve to trade for a star no one one would be expecting. I would not put it passed him. He has already shown his ability to make trades out of nowhere for some big names.

This. They just cannot afford to give in and move him. So, they stand firm. If he takes the QO, well, there is not more then can do besides offer him a little more money--but not alot more.

[lilfishi22]

They are making a point about the money he would make over the next 4 years under each scenario.

I get that, but in that 5th year, he'll have no contract if he was with us, where as he'd be looking at $16-18m, if he waited to sign after the QO.

In the 5th year he will have a contract. He will be a restricted free agent again and will certainly sign with some team, Suns or otherwise. Making the assumption that he is still a stud/max player (and only 29 years old) he would get a max in low 20's (based on increasing revenue from TV contracts). Much better than the $16-$18M.

But really you miss the whole point of the article. If Bledsoe takes the qualifying offer he is very unlikely to recoup the dollars offered by the Suns over the course of his entire NBA career. They only way it would happen is if he is truly a max player and gets the max offer next year. If he takes the QO and gets injured or his play slips he's throwing money in hand away.

In that 5th year, he'd still be on 16-18m which is the salary in the 4th year with another team.

All I'm saying is that, if he waited to sign the alternate deal after the QO, as per the scenario, he'd be guaranteed $60-68m, where as he's locking himself into a guaranteed $48m with us. Then who knows what happens after that 4th year with us, he could be done after the 3rd for all we know.

Had we done a S&T and he got the alternate min/MAX, then it's a fairer comparison to our offer because it'll be on the same 4 year term starting next season. But since we're comparing his next big deal to our offering, it wouldn't be fair to not include that 4th in the max deal. He's obviously not looking at the $20m starting max in 2085 but the next big deal which is either this year with us or next year with someone else.

[lilfishi22]

Before the deadline we will offer a front-loaded 4/13.25 deal.

We won this already. It just hasn't gone down yet.

I don't consider 4 years and $53 Million winning. It's a lot of scratch for Bledsoe and in my humble opinion probably too much. He's a really good player I just don't know that he's worth that much. I certainly don't like what going up from $48 Million will mean next Summer when it's time to negotiate Dragic's deal, which is almost certainly what is causing this line in the sand moment between Eric and the Suns.

I'd still consider it a win if we can get him to agreed to a front-loaded deal. He looked healthy towards the end of last season and so as the risk of his knees deteriorating increases over time, our financial commitment to him decreases which is how it should be.

[bwgood77]

During the Mercury playoff broadcast Friday night, a commercial for Suns 2014-15 tickets sales aired with old video and voiceover from one of last season's stars — Bledsoe. He has four weeks remaining until his $3.7 million one-year qualifying offer deadline. Bledsoe, the rare marquee September free agent, can negotiate a multiyear deal before and after that deadline as a restricted free agent.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /14950493/

huh. didn't realize that, and still don't really understand what that means... not much of a 'deadline'...

I did see the ad that featured an image of Bledsoe (didn't notice the video/VO) and it made me hope the Suns really do plan on bringing him back. It would be insincere to run ads for season tickets featuring Bledsoe if they didn't expect he'd be there.

advertising!? insincere!?

The QO expires on Oct 1st. We can raise it prior to then or offer another one after that. If he lets it expire then he risks us not even offering another one and he would HAVE to agree to a deal at some point though because if he sat out or plays overseas or something, he is still a RFA next summer and made nothing this year.

But he could wait into the season and keep negotiating a contract for this year too. But then of course we could say why would we raise it now since you are missing games in the first year of the contract and intentionally harming our chance to win?

[Jdiddy701]

Bledsoe resigning in Phoenix is amazing and front loading makes it so much even more sweeter. If he stays healthy.. Playoffs.


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[bwgood77]

At this point, I cannot even think of any stars the Suns could be targeting in a trade and/or free agency. The only big name free agent I know of for 2015 is Lamarcus Aldridge, and he will be 30 years old next year and seeking a max contract. I am not really interested in that. There are basically no stars available besides him. So the Suns need to keep the only two star type players they have in Bledsoe and Dragic and hope that some of the young players turn into stars. That is basically where they are at, unless McDonough has something up his sleeve to trade for a star no one one would be expecting. I would not put it passed him. He has already shown his ability to make trades out of nowhere for some big names.

There are not any other stars, but there is Millsap, especially if we wanted insurance with Kieff going into RFA (if we haven't extended him for whatever reason). I think we will keep them unless they just regress or really want a ton of money, so it wouldn't make too much sense then unless we wanted them to come off the bench. I know some here don't care for Millsap because he didn't play real well against the Lakers in the 2010 playoffs or whatever or think he gets dominated in the west because everyone is so much bigger. This past year though he was the 2nd best stretch four easily.

[aIvin adams]

Bledsoe resigning in Phoenix is amazing and front loading makes it so much even more sweeter. If he stays healthy.. Playoffs.


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the way u wrote this, I thought it was news and Bledsoe had officially re-signed...

[Jdiddy701]

I am terribly sorry. I should have known. Lol


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[letsgosuns]

At this point, I cannot even think of any stars the Suns could be targeting in a trade and/or free agency. The only big name free agent I know of for 2015 is Lamarcus Aldridge, and he will be 30 years old next year and seeking a max contract. I am not really interested in that. There are basically no stars available besides him. So the Suns need to keep the only two star type players they have in Bledsoe and Dragic and hope that some of the young players turn into stars. That is basically where they are at, unless McDonough has something up his sleeve to trade for a star no one one would be expecting. I would not put it passed him. He has already shown his ability to make trades out of nowhere for some big names.

There are not any other stars, but there is Millsap, especially if we wanted insurance with Kieff going into RFA (if we haven't extended him for whatever reason). I think we will keep them unless they just regress or really want a ton of money, so it wouldn't make too much sense then unless we wanted them to come off the bench. I know some here don't care for Bledsoe because he didn't play real well against the Lakers in the 2010 playoffs or whatever or think he gets dominated in the west because everyone is so much bigger. This past year though he was the 2nd best stretch four easily.

I think Millsap is pretty good, but he also is going to be 30 next summer like Lamarcus Aldridge, so I think the Suns would rather keep Markieff since he is nearly five years younger than Millsap.

[lilfishi22]

At this point, I cannot even think of any stars the Suns could be targeting in a trade and/or free agency. The only big name free agent I know of for 2015 is Lamarcus Aldridge, and he will be 30 years old next year and seeking a max contract. I am not really interested in that. There are basically no stars available besides him. So the Suns need to keep the only two star type players they have in Bledsoe and Dragic and hope that some of the young players turn into stars. That is basically where they are at, unless McDonough has something up his sleeve to trade for a star no one one would be expecting. I would not put it passed him. He has already shown his ability to make trades out of nowhere for some big names.

There are not any other stars, but there is Millsap, especially if we wanted insurance with Kieff going into RFA (if we haven't extended him for whatever reason). I think we will keep them unless they just regress or really want a ton of money, so it wouldn't make too much sense then unless we wanted them to come off the bench. I know some here don't care for Bledsoe because he didn't play real well against the Lakers in the 2010 playoffs or whatever or think he gets dominated in the west because everyone is so much bigger. This past year though he was the 2nd best stretch four easily.

I think Millsap is pretty good, but he also is going to be 30 next summer like Lamarcus Aldridge, so I think the Suns would rather keep Markieff since he is nearly five years younger than Millsap.

Signing Millsap (on the cheap perhaps) would be in line with our decision to sign IT. Insurance for when Bledsoe/Kieff goes into RFA.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Someone converted NBA jerseys to sponsored soccer jerseys, and some of them are pretty hilarious. He basically just added companies with matching colors, which is why ours is FedEx and not Casino Arizona, The RoomStore or Carl's Jr.



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[Kerrsed]

I cant lie, i would wear some of those.

The Kings one is horrible though, looks like some Star Trek TNG s**t!

[thamadkant]

Netherland's World Cup colours = Suns colours IMO

Looks sweet that deep purple with orange details...

[SunsFanSSOL]

I'm worried that even if we do re-sign Bledsoe he's going to be way out of shape next season. Judging from instagram it seems like he's done a lot of partying a very little working out. Good thing that it seems like Archie, the Morris twins, Len, Plumlee and Green have been hitting the gym.

[DirtyDez]

I'm worried that even if we do re-sign Bledsoe he's going to be way out of shape next season. Judging from instagram it seems like he's done a lot of partying a very little working out. Good thing that it seems like Archie, the Morris twins, Len, Plumlee and Green have been hitting the gym.

I think he's a lifter rather than a runner. He was winded a lot last year.

I could do with less bulk cause it affects his outside shooting at times IMO.

[Gorilla Warfare]

My personal favorite is the Jazz Subway one haha.

[lilfishi22]

The Mav's one looks good with the VW logo and the whole German connection with Dirk.