The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[Sunsdeuce]

Lakers and Rockets have interest in Dragic/Bledsoe next summer if they hit free agency - Per Wiretap.

Just knowing that the suns could lose both without compensation is unacceptable. Suns need to focus on resigning dragic NOW. Bledsoe needs to get traded NOW. No way in hell should Bledsoe hold up cap room or make more than dragic. Bledsoe needs to go. At this point Bledsoe is just going to take the QO just to prove a point and get what he wants. I know some here think he is backed in a corner but he really isn't. Yes, he and his worthless agent are messing with his career (earnings) but it's getting obvious he is going to take the QO. He is going to take the QO because he and his worthless agent are not intelligent people. A level headed person understands the deal the suns have in place is good for everyone but we are not dealing level headed people.

The way this is playing out is going to end up screwing the suns with dragic. This has gone waaaaayyyy past the point where patience is needed. Bledsoe needs to go, like yesterday.

Feel free to disagree but there is nothing good that is going to come out of "just waiting," especially when your dealing with people like Bledsoe and Rich Paul (they are in it for themselves and are not thinking rationally).


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[bwgood77]

I agree that there's no way TJ gets the start but it's too bad. I really think this kid has a chance to be good. I worry that he won't ever get to see the court this year. Too many players in front of him.

If Bledsoe walks, our chances of making the playoffs are extremely slim, so there is almost no reason not to start him at some point. Might as well develop our young talent instead of trying to get the 10 seed.

[bwgood77]

Lakers and Rockets have interest in Dragic/Bledsoe next summer if they hit free agency - Per Wiretap.

Just knowing that the suns could lose both without compensation is unacceptable. Suns need to focus on resigning dragic NOW. Bledsoe needs to get traded NOW. No way in hell should Bledsoe hold up cap room or make more than dragic. Bledsoe needs to go. At this point Bledsoe is just going to take the QO just to prove a point and get what he wants. I know some here think he is backed in a corner but he really isn't. Yes, he and his worthless agent are messing with his career (earnings) but it's getting obvious he is going to take the QO. He is going to take the QO because he and his worthless agent are not intelligent people. A level headed person understands the deal the suns have in place is good for everyone but we are not dealing level headed people.

The way this is playing out is going to end up screwing the suns with dragic. This has gone waaaaayyyy past the point where patience is needed. Bledsoe needs to go, like yesterday.

Feel free to disagree but there is nothing good that is going to come out of "just waiting."

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Dragic won't extend with us now. He needs to become a free agent to get the second bucket max. We can offer more than anyone else. We won't lose him if we don't want to. And there is no way we will want to. That would kill the crowd at the arena. Sarver would never let it happen even if McD wanted to just go super young. We should just give Dragic 5/84 just to piss off Bledsoe if he's gone.

[bwgood77]

^yeah, that's a really solid bench. IT would have a field day with all that space. In spurts I think PJ and Marcus are interchangeable at the forward spots. Both can hit the three (PJ from the corner), and between them there's enough toughness to not get totally beasted on the boards (PJ has a knack for getting inside for offensive boards). As long as Len can alter a few shots and keep his hands up for those oops.

AND Dragic would work better with a stretch like Mook that couldn't only hit from the corner. Biggest problem would be someone guarding the opponents best swing player. That's extremely important ESPECIALLY if we lose Bledsoe.

[JDLAW]

Lakers and Rockets have interest in Dragic/Bledsoe next summer if they hit free agency - Per Wiretap.

Sounds like one of two things.

1. A leak by Rich Paul to stir the emotions.
2. Tampering.

[Sunsdeuce]

I agree that there's no way TJ gets the start but it's too bad. I really think this kid has a chance to be good. I worry that he won't ever get to see the court this year. Too many players in front of him.

If Bledsoe walks, our chances of making the playoffs are extremely slim, so there is almost no reason not to start him at some point. Might as well develop our young talent instead of trying to get the 10 seed.

I think the suns need to play the young players regardless. I think with Bledsoe the suns are MAYBE an 8th seed (that's with everything happening in the suns favor..like key injuries to other teams, etc). I'm not going to get excited about barely making into the playoffs as an 8th seed and than ousted in 4 games. That accomplishes nothing.

Again with Bledsoe the suns are a 8-12 seed. And the 8th seed would come with a lot of luck. Regardless Bledsoe has made it clear phx is not in his future in the long term. Why bother keeping him around?


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[Sunsdeuce]

Lakers and Rockets have interest in Dragic/Bledsoe next summer if they hit free agency - Per Wiretap.

Just knowing that the suns could lose both without compensation is unacceptable. Suns need to focus on resigning dragic NOW. Bledsoe needs to get traded NOW. No way in hell should Bledsoe hold up cap room or make more than dragic. Bledsoe needs to go. At this point Bledsoe is just going to take the QO just to prove a point and get what he wants. I know some here think he is backed in a corner but he really isn't. Yes, he and his worthless agent are messing with his career (earnings) but it's getting obvious he is going to take the QO. He is going to take the QO because he and his worthless agent are not intelligent people. A level headed person understands the deal the suns have in place is good for everyone but we are not dealing level headed people.

The way this is playing out is going to end up screwing the suns with dragic. This has gone waaaaayyyy past the point where patience is needed. Bledsoe needs to go, like yesterday.

Feel free to disagree but there is nothing good that is going to come out of "just waiting."

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Dragic won't extend with us now. He needs to become a free agent to get the second bucket max. We can offer more than anyone else. We won't lose him if we don't want to. And there is no way wewill want to. That would kill the crowd at the arena. Sarver would never let it happen even if McD wanted to just go super young. We should just give Dragic 5/84 just to piss off Bledsoe if he's gone.

5/84 is definitely deserved for dragic. All I'm saying is we need to make it known to dragic that we value him much more than Bledsoe.


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[RunDogGun]

I really don't think there is any way TJ gets the start from Hornacek. It will either be Green at the three and IT gets the point start if we still don't have Bledsoe signed, or McMo starts at the three with his brother at the four.

I agree that there's no way TJ gets the start but it's too bad. I really think this kid has a chance to be good. I worry that he won't ever get to see the court this year. Too many players in front of him.

I didn't mean to imply that he would never start, nor get solid minutes out of Hornacek. A rookie would have to be supper impressive IMO, for Jeff to start him, and I just don't think TJ will have that kind of time before the first three games.

But hey, I would love to eat crow on that prediction.

[Saberestar]

What's going on with Bledsoe?

Paul Coro

Great question. Seems to be the same question the Suns are asking. His QO deadline is 10/1. No new negotiations are known.

[BurningHeart]

Yes, absolutely right. The Suns need to show everyone that they value Dragic more than Bledsoe, most of which Goran Dragic himself.

[Sunsdeuce]

Just listened to gambo. He thinks Bledsoe is pretty much gone. Whether it's a trade or free agency(QO). He said suns won't pay both Bledsoe and dragic a max BUT they will pay dragic max. Gambo also said Bledsoe is a "nice" player and all but he wouldnt pay him anywhere near max. I have to agree Bledsoe is a goner for sure.

He also brought up the point that Bledsoe isn't going to give the same effort if he is forced to stay here while knowing he is leaving soon. I completely agree which further reenforces why the suns should/will trade him.

The question comes down to what Ryan Mcd can get for Bledsoe. At this point Ryan has got to know, there really isn't any point with keeping Bledsoe on the roster so a trade sooner rather than later is best.




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[aIvin adams]

The question comes down to what Ryan Mcd can get for Bledsoe. At this point Ryan has got to know, there really isn't any point with keeping Bledsoe on the roster so a trade sooner rather than later is best.




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i don't think Ryan can know what Bledsoe is worth without Bledsoe agreeing to a contract. its not just the player's skills which determine his 'value' but also his contract terms.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Lakers and Rockets have interest in Dragic/Bledsoe next summer if they hit free agency - Per Wiretap.

I think the original plan was for them to have all 2 year contracts so they could make a run at the 2016 free agents, so I think that's why they didn't pursue Bledsoe this summer to a long deal. But I imagine some in the organization have decided that they can't just wait around for stars and then keep striking out or they will go nowhere.

I imagine he knows who would give him a max or near max deal next summer, and I think Sacramento would if they don't want to keep Gay and want Cousins to be happy. Bledsoe would probably like to keep him too.

I wonder who he'd choose between LA, Hou with Harden and Howard, or Sacramento with his buddie Cousins.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he took the QO and had a suspect injury to remove that risk if he already has a handshake deal with those teams. If he does that, we should just trade them to one of those teams for something if we can. Protection on pick removed, Stauskas? (doubtful), McLemore?, Beverly?

This is the only way I think he takes the QO. If he has already agreed to take a max next summer with somebody. He may even try to negotiate a higher QO, but at that point, I don't see why the Suns would do it, because they'd have to know he is only taking it because at this point he obviously wants to walk.

I still think we agree to something, but if someone has told him they will give him the max, and he wants to leave, then I'm sure that's what he will do.

1) You can't have a handshake deal. That's called tampering.

2) If he takes the QO, you better believe he's taking out a massive ($30 million+) insurance policy.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

The question comes down to what Ryan Mcd can get for Bledsoe. At this point Ryan has got to know, there really isn't any point with keeping Bledsoe on the roster so a trade sooner rather than later is best.




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i don't think Ryan can know what Bledsoe is worth without Bledsoe agreeing to a contract. its not just the player's skills which determine his 'value' but also his contract terms.

He doesn't have a worth. Bledsoe can decline any trade if he signs a QO and no team will trade for him unless they know he will re-sign with them AND pay the big bucks AND give up talent.

[JDLAW]

Lakers and Rockets have interest in Dragic/Bledsoe next summer if they hit free agency - Per Wiretap.

I think the original plan was for them to have all 2 year contracts so they could make a run at the 2016 free agents, so I think that's why they didn't pursue Bledsoe this summer to a long deal. But I imagine some in the organization have decided that they can't just wait around for stars and then keep striking out or they will go nowhere.

I imagine he knows who would give him a max or near max deal next summer, and I think Sacramento would if they don't want to keep Gay and want Cousins to be happy. Bledsoe would probably like to keep him too.

I wonder who he'd choose between LA, Hou with Harden and Howard, or Sacramento with his buddie Cousins.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he took the QO and had a suspect injury to remove that risk if he already has a handshake deal with those teams. If he does that, we should just trade them to one of those teams for something if we can. Protection on pick removed, Stauskas? (doubtful), McLemore?, Beverly?

This is the only way I think he takes the QO. If he has already agreed to take a max next summer with somebody. He may even try to negotiate a higher QO, but at that point, I don't see why the Suns would do it, because they'd have to know he is only taking it because at this point he obviously wants to walk.

I still think we agree to something, but if someone has told him they will give him the max, and he wants to leave, then I'm sure that's what he will do.

1) You can't have a handshake deal. That's called tampering.

2) If he takes the QO, you better believe he's taking out a massive ($30 million+) insurance policy.

Do not think he could obtain such a massive insurance policy.

[AtheJ415]

Bledsoe will only sign the QO if he wants to stick it to Phoenix. Otherwise, he'll take the frontloaded 13+ deal NoTraxxe mentioned. The money is the same as another team's max. So unless he hates us so much that he'd risk that much money just to screw us over, he'll be taking Phoenix's offer.

[bwgood77]

1) You can't have a handshake deal. That's called tampering.

2) If he takes the QO, you better believe he's taking out a massive ($30 million+) insurance policy.

I know it's tampering, but I'm sure it's done and would be one of the only rational reasons Bledsoe would actually play for the QO.

[lilfishi22]

I'm curious what others think - let's say Warren starts the first 3 games while Tucker is suspended and we go either 2-1 or 3-0.

Warren plays outstanding for a rookie, ie better than anticipated D, 55% from the field 75% at the line and averages 16pt 6reb 1stl and a very good +/- score in around 30min - and he meshes well with the starters.

Does he stay in the starting lineup once PJ's back or do we make Tucker earn it back?

After his off-season I think a reality check like a rookie starting ahead of him would be great...If Warren flies out of the gate I keep him in there until Tucker earns it back. I like that 2nd unit of

Thomas
Green
Tucker
Mook
Len

3x shooters, 2x solid defenders (PJ/Len) and a rim protector. Little small at the 4 but Tolliver can help there too.

I'd still keep him on the bench to develop with less pressure to produce. Even if he played well for 10 straight games, there's every chance he'll hit the rookie wall much like Plumlee did. Although I am in favor of giving him heavier minutes if he continues to play well. But at this point, I'd like to see him come off the bench and produce like Kieff/Green did for us last season.

[Zelaznyrules]

1) You can't have a handshake deal. That's called tampering.

2) If he takes the QO, you better believe he's taking out a massive ($30 million+) insurance policy.

I know it's tampering, but I'm sure it's done and would be one of the only rational reasons Bledsoe would actually play for the QO.

I doubt it. Nobody keeps a secret forever (except the dead). The moment the relationship sours, the truth will come out. And chances are, it will come out long before the relationship goes south. I can't see anyone willing to risk facing what happened to the Wolves when they did something similar. Especially since the next big tampering scandal will probably be dealt with even harsher than before.

[Revived]

Just listened to gambo. He thinks Bledsoe is pretty much gone. Whether it's a trade or free agency(QO). He said suns won't pay both Bledsoe and dragic a max BUT they will pay dragic max. Gambo also said Bledsoe is a "nice" player and all but he wouldnt pay him anywhere near max. I have to agree Bledsoe is a goner for sure.

He also brought up the point that Bledsoe isn't going to give the same effort if he is forced to stay here while knowing he is leaving soon. I completely agree which further reenforces why the suns should/will trade him.

The question comes down to what Ryan Mcd can get for Bledsoe. At this point Ryan has got to know, there really isn't any point with keeping Bledsoe on the roster so a trade sooner rather than later is best.




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It's not smart to think that Bledsoe won't give the same effort when playing on the QO.

He NEEDS to play outstanding elite basketball while on the QO in order to get the pay day he wants next summer. If he purposefully fully sucks, nobody will offer him s**t.

Bledsoe has 2 goals in mind if he takes the QO; A) play out of his mind good. B) Don't get injured.