The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[Sunsdeuce]

Just listened to gambo. He thinks Bledsoe is pretty much gone. Whether it's a trade or free agency(QO). He said suns won't pay both Bledsoe and dragic a max BUT they will pay dragic max. Gambo also said Bledsoe is a "nice" player and all but he wouldnt pay him anywhere near max. I have to agree Bledsoe is a goner for sure.

He also brought up the point that Bledsoe isn't going to give the same effort if he is forced to stay here while knowing he is leaving soon. I completely agree which further reenforces why the suns should/will trade him.

The question comes down to what Ryan Mcd can get for Bledsoe. At this point Ryan has got to know, there really isn't any point with keeping Bledsoe on the roster so a trade sooner rather than later is best.




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It's not smart to think that Bledsoe won't give the same effort when playing on the QO.

He NEEDS to play outstanding elite basketball while on the QO in order to get the pay day he wants next summer. If he purposefully fully sucks, nobody will offer him s**t.

Bledsoe has 2 goals in mind if he takes the QO; A) play out of his mind good. B) Don't get injured.

I agree. But I can tell you if he does play (with the suns) on the QO, it's going to be hard to root for him. I know that sounds weird/mean but I would rather play the young guys. I would play the young guys because it's almost a sure thing Bledsoe is gone.

Almost makes no sense to play someone your not going to have long term. If your building a team with an eye on the future it makes nonsense to play Bledsoe.


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[jcsunsfan]

Pay him $10 more than any other team could pay him with the $3.7 this year and maxes after that. Make it 4/54 or something. If wants out after that, well, he wants out no matter what.

If he signs that deal and then still wants out at the end of the year, promise him that you will trade him. At least we will get something for him then.

[lilfishi22]

Bledsoe will only sign the QO if he wants to stick it to Phoenix. Otherwise, he'll take the frontloaded 13+ deal NoTraxxe mentioned. The money is the same as another team's max. So unless he hates us so much that he'd risk that much money just to screw us over, he'll be taking Phoenix's offer.

Honestly, I think we'd be willing to up our offer to the RFA market max in incentives if he'd just come to table instead of letting his idiot of an agent "handle" everything.

[lilfishi22]

It's not smart to think that Bledsoe won't give the same effort when playing on the QO.

He NEEDS to play outstanding elite basketball while on the QO in order to get the pay day he wants next summer. If he purposefully fully sucks, nobody will offer him s**t.

Bledsoe has 2 goals in mind if he takes the QO; A) play out of his mind good. B) Don't get injured.

I actually think he's going to play with less effort. His physical health is the biggest question mark in teams being hesitant him a max deal. I think most teams know he can produce and will continue to improve but his knees are a serious concern. I think he'll play with less effort to lower the chances he'll get injured. Even if he's the same 18/6 guy, a few teams will still be looking at a max offer for him.

[Saberestar]

Just listened to gambo. He thinks Bledsoe is pretty much gone. Whether it's a trade or free agency(QO). He said suns won't pay both Bledsoe and dragic a max BUT they will pay dragic max. Gambo also said Bledsoe is a "nice" player and all but he wouldnt pay him anywhere near max. I have to agree Bledsoe is a goner for sure.

He also brought up the point that Bledsoe isn't going to give the same effort if he is forced to stay here while knowing he is leaving soon. I completely agree which further reenforces why the suns should/will trade him.

The question comes down to what Ryan Mcd can get for Bledsoe. At this point Ryan has got to know, there really isn't any point with keeping Bledsoe on the roster so a trade sooner rather than later is best.

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Yes, I think he is gone too. Never, I mean NEVER you invests a ton of money on a player that does not want to play for you. He has never said anything good about the team or the city, it was strange and very rare, and at the end of the day the team needs players that really want to fight and die for your team and city.
We have to look for one real good player(not a package of decent players or picks) and work a trade before training camp. Hopefully McDonough works his magic again.

[Kerrsed]

With the info being out there that the Lakers are interested in him, i see him taking the QO, then not really contributing much during the season. A combination of him trying to preserve his health and stay injury free, not really wanting to help us due to us "Using FA against him", and because his minutes will be limited due to the fact that we just sank a bunch of money in Thomas.

No matter what he is screwed. His league value will be taking a hit next season. The addition of Thomas is going to put a dent in his minutes and thus his stats will not be near what they were last season.

[Jarlaxle0204]

What's the deal with the thread on the general board that says Bledsoe wants to play with Lebron. Sam Amico reporting this?

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

[Kerrsed]

What's the deal with the thread on the general board that says Bledsoe wants to play with Lebron. Sam Amico reporting this?

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Who doesnt want to play with LeBron??

[Jarlaxle0204]

What's the deal with the thread on the general board that says Bledsoe wants to play with Lebron. Sam Amico reporting this?

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Who doesnt want to play with LeBron??

Fair enough. I wasn't sure if maybe Lebron had said anything about wanting Bledsoe on the Cavs and what that might mean for us.

[thamadkant]

I'd do Bledsoe + Gerald Green for Kyrie Irving + future pick(s)

Green will want to get paid after next season, rather the Suns develop Warren, Bogdan, Archie and give them minutes ASAP.

[Saberestar]

I'd do Bledsoe + Gerald Green for Kyrie Irving + future pick(s)

Green will want to get paid after next season, rather the Suns develop Warren, Bogdan, Archie and give them minutes ASAP.

No way they trade Irving. They would want to make a Big 4, because Irving will not earn a ton of money next year, his Max begins in 2015/16.
We can work some trade with them involving another team, because I really do not like Waiters ot Tristan.

[Revived]

It's not smart to think that Bledsoe won't give the same effort when playing on the QO.

He NEEDS to play outstanding elite basketball while on the QO in order to get the pay day he wants next summer. If he purposefully fully sucks, nobody will offer him s**t.

Bledsoe has 2 goals in mind if he takes the QO; A) play out of his mind good. B) Don't get injured.

I actually think he's going to play with less effort. His physical health is the biggest question mark in teams being hesitant him a max deal. I think most teams know he can produce and will continue to improve but his knees are a serious concern. I think he'll play with less effort to lower the chances he'll get injured. Even if he's the same 18/6 guy, a few teams will still be looking at a max offer for him.

I don't think he can put up 18 & 6 without putting in good effort.

And if Bledsoe doesn't put that much up, then people will think last years was a fluke.

[nevetsov]

Can we just flip him to Sac for an unprotected first? Or at least, the right to swap first picks in 2015 and 2017?

[AtheJ415]

It's not smart to think that Bledsoe won't give the same effort when playing on the QO.

He NEEDS to play outstanding elite basketball while on the QO in order to get the pay day he wants next summer. If he purposefully fully sucks, nobody will offer him s**t.

Bledsoe has 2 goals in mind if he takes the QO; A) play out of his mind good. B) Don't get injured.

I actually think he's going to play with less effort. His physical health is the biggest question mark in teams being hesitant him a max deal. I think most teams know he can produce and will continue to improve but his knees are a serious concern. I think he'll play with less effort to lower the chances he'll get injured. Even if he's the same 18/6 guy, a few teams will still be looking at a max offer for him.

I don't think he can put up 18 & 6 without putting in good effort.

And if Bledsoe doesn't put that much up, then people will think last years was a fluke.

This. I think people are wrong about how hard he'll play. Either way, I'll believe he's stupid enough to sign the QO when he actually does it. The math is just so against that action.

[dgwdum]

With the info being out there that the Lakers are interested in him, i see him taking the QO, then not really contributing much during the season. A combination of him trying to preserve his health and stay injury free, not really wanting to help us due to us "Using FA against him", and because his minutes will be limited due to the fact that we just sank a bunch of money in Thomas.

No matter what he is screwed. His league value will be taking a hit next season. The addition of Thomas is going to put a dent in his minutes and thus his stats will not be near what they were last season.

I don't think GM's are dumb enough to not realize that bledsoe 's numbers will go down with less minutes. So unless he gets injured I think at worst he will get the same offer (4/48) if he becomes an URFA next year.i don't see his value dropping if he is unrestricted.

However I don't think bledsoe is dumb enough to play on the QO so I think a trade is inevitable.

[lilfishi22]

It's not smart to think that Bledsoe won't give the same effort when playing on the QO.

He NEEDS to play outstanding elite basketball while on the QO in order to get the pay day he wants next summer. If he purposefully fully sucks, nobody will offer him s**t.

Bledsoe has 2 goals in mind if he takes the QO; A) play out of his mind good. B) Don't get injured.

I actually think he's going to play with less effort. His physical health is the biggest question mark in teams being hesitant him a max deal. I think most teams know he can produce and will continue to improve but his knees are a serious concern. I think he'll play with less effort to lower the chances he'll get injured. Even if he's the same 18/6 guy, a few teams will still be looking at a max offer for him.

I don't think he can put up 18 & 6 without putting in good effort.

And if Bledsoe doesn't put that much up, then people will think last years was a fluke.

Possible but I still don't see that as a major deterrent to them offering him a lot more than what the Suns have. The bigger concern is his knees. If he can play more than 60 games then he's getting a big offer from some team.

[ray ray]

Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

[DRK]

If Dragic ever became a Laker, I would probably cry.

[Kerrsed]

Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

If the training staff could get Deron back to his old self, that could be interesting.

But i fail to see how we trade a max contract Bledsoe because of injury concerns for a bigger max contract Williams with even bigger injury concerns.

[Suns Court 23]

[quote="ray ray"]Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.[/quote
Interesting. I never even thought of trading for Williams. I would think we would be getting something in addition to Williams though but I don't think they have picks for a while or something.