Bruno Caboclo is the lowest rated player in NBA 2K15

[BrunoSkull]

Who cares?

I do, actually

[Death Knight]

https://www.facebook.com/notes/nba-2k/nba2krank-rankings-for-every-nba-player/10152291565942267

64 OVR. Tied for lowest with Shavlik Randolph. Under Hasheem Thabeet and Aaron Gray.

Oh well. He's 2 years away from being 2 years away from being their cover athlete.

Bruno will be on the cover of NBA 2K17 and have a rating of 100. Book it.

[tdotboyy]

i've always said 2k doesnt even watch basketball so i wont be surprised if its true

[h2k]

Who cares?

[Brettfinch]

He has better stats than Wiggins at Summer League, and he's rated the worst player in the game. This reminds me of Yonas in his rookie year. I think he was a 59.

15.5 ppg, 40.5% fg, 3.5 rbs, 0.3 asts, 1.3 steals and 1.5 blocks
11.4 ppg, 39.5% fg, 3 rbs, 3 asts, 1.2 steals, 0.2 blocks

?

You seriously had to pull out stats to prove your point you just compared the 1st over pick to the 20th "2 years away from being 2 years away" regardless the 2 rebounds and 4 points that's a slight difference for a player rated worst in the game lol

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[Brettfinch]

Just a little rating prediction for fun

DeMar DeRozan - 87
Kyle Lowry - 85
Amir Johnson - 81
Greivis Vasquez - 79
Jonas Valanciunas - 78
Lou Williams - 77
Terrence Ross - 76
Patrick Patterson - 76
James Johnson - 73
Landry Fields - 71
Tyler Hansbrough - 70
Chuck Hayes - 69

Amir & Jonas, LOL @ 2K ever respecting them enough to give them that type of ratings boost

Lowry 85
DeMar 83
Lou Williams 76
Vasquez 74
Ross 74
Patterson 73
Amir 72
Jonas 72
JJ 71
Fields 70
Hansbrough 70
Hayes 68

IMO

I'll kill myself that's a spit in the face as usual

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[BackseatBoss]

He has better stats than Wiggins at Summer League, and he's rated the worst player in the game. This reminds me of Yonas in his rookie year. I think he was a 59.

15.5 ppg, 40.5% fg, 3.5 rbs, 0.3 asts, 1.3 steals and 1.5 blocks
11.4 ppg, 39.5% fg, 3 rbs, 3 asts, 1.2 steals, 0.2 blocks

?

You seriously had to pull out stats to prove your point you just compared the 1st over pick to the 20th "2 years away from being 2 years away" regardless the 2 rebounds and 4 points that's a slight difference for a player rated worst in the game lol

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Read it again, the poster he was replying to was saying that Bruno had better stats in the summer league than Wiggins, which was not true. Also, he made a mistake, Bruno did not average 3 APG, he had 0.4.

[Thespianoid]

To be honest, it's not that bad. Most animator should have a degree of knowledge to how humans move (physics are the rules), when i say he doesn't watch basketball i meant he doesn't take an interest to the sports itself, like knowing who was drafted, who won the ECF, who Bruno is... etc. I am sure the animators at least studies how basketball players move about the court when they first got the job.

Besides, majority of the movements are captured by motion capture (the suit with little sensors attached) the animators would just deal with tweaking/adding details/transitions between actions.

Yeah maybe it's not that bad that he doesn't watch basketball, but I believe my other point about their animations not reflecting NBA reality still stands. I don't think they really know what they're doing.

For example, when ingame C's/PF's/SF's run, they have an odd motion as if it were a normal, run-of-the-mill 7 foot human being when going into a sprint, not a professional athlete 7 footer. Yes, even SF's have the same annoying sprint animation as a 7'6" center. What's odd is that normal forward stick motion (sans turbo) is the same for everyone regardless of position, which is a step in the right direction. When you watch NBA footage, you'll see that pretty much everyone runs in a smoothly athletic manner, even the big lugs.

Then there's the adjacent problem of speed. Many people complain that the bigs shouldn't be able to keep up with the quickest guards. In some cases, they're entirely wrong. In a straight line, most bigs at full sprint are pretty comparable with other NBA players. There's a minimal difference, but enough to be visibly noticeable. Quickness is where the real difference lies. This area is why the quickest guards can easily get by NBA bigs. Along with the allowed presence of heavy perimeter bumping and contact that wouldn't be allowed in the NBA, the quickness (controller+player model reaction time/linearity) factor is the biggest problem that elicits the issue of guards not being able to blow by bigs during half court mismatches. Bigs should not be able to change direction at the same rate as the analog stick, nor should the CPU allow the model to shadow the movement of the offensive player. There needs to be a built-in delay that reflects what you would visually see, obviously dependent on quickness rating.

Same goes with ballhandling. Every NBA player, even the bigs, has decent enough handles that look miles better than your average pick-up player. The animations don't reflect this, rather they make the ballhandling animations for C's/PF's/SF's look like a beginning player's ball handling, struggling to simply dribble the ball and run at the same time. The animations should not at all be tied to position and size, rather to the rating. And they should all look relatively similar, with lower ratings making the ball more lively in the hands, the dribbles higher, etc. NBA 2K11 had the right idea with this, with higher rated ballhandlers (regardless of position) getting the requisite animations. If a PF has above-average ballhandling ability (think Blake Griffin, Lamar Odom, Boris Diaw, Dario Saric), they should have ballhandling animations that reflect their proficiency, not some that correlate to their position and completely disregard their skill. I'm talking about the built-in straight dribble animations, not the advanced ones you can select/edit in the player menu.

There are a lot more issues I could write about, but I think this is a decent enough initial breakdown about the issues I have with regards to 2K's approach to basketball and realism. I will support my points with video evidence if I can find relevant clips of NBA footage.

I can get into animations for layups, inside shots, contact shots, player tendencies/behaviors that reflect their real counterparts and NBA basketball (Ricky Rubio utilizing a hop-step? A windmill dunk off a half-court dribble drive?) all that stuff later. But I doubt anyone actually cares about this like I do. I've been writing things like this (improvements to issues in NBA 2K) down for 4+ years now.

[Mattd97]

15.5 ppg, 40.5% fg, 3.5 rbs, 0.3 asts, 1.3 steals and 1.5 blocks
11.4 ppg, 39.5% fg, 3 rbs, 3 asts, 1.2 steals, 0.2 blocks

?

You seriously had to pull out stats to prove your point you just compared the 1st over pick to the 20th "2 years away from being 2 years away" regardless the 2 rebounds and 4 points that's a slight difference for a player rated worst in the game lol

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Read it again, the poster he was replying to was saying that Bruno had better stats in the summer league than Wiggins, which was not true. Also, he made a mistake, Bruno did not average 3 APG, he had 0.4.

good eye, typo, my bad
and really i was just asking what he was talking about, cause by no metric were the stats better but he said it as such a fact that i was curious

[God Squad]

Oh NO! What ever will I do with my life?!

[OhMyBosh]

2K needs to start building player models to include physical attributes like a long or short wingspan. That's such an advantage in the real world that a game billing itself as a "sim" should incorporate that aspect.

[CoachJReturns]

This is just one more little thing for Bruno to laugh off as he's working harder than any other rookie. He's going to be a top 5-10 player from this draft in the future. You can quote me on that.

[rarefind]

The burner is going to be the C grade Potential he gets.

[Thespianoid]

2K needs to start building player models to include physical attributes like a long or short wingspan. That's such an advantage in the real world that a game billing itself as a "sim" should incorporate that aspect.

Haven't they already? I don't have the XBOne/PS4 version of 2K14, but I think there's a wingspan editor there of some sort. Also other physical apperance editing, like leg/arm thickness and such. Players were able to recreate a long, skinny Durant before they removed a bunch of the editing features for no reason.

[Morris_Shatford]

Even lower than Greg Stiemsma????

[dTox]

Even lower than Greg Stiemsma????

Even lower than Greg Stiemsma

[Danchan]

To be honest, it's not that bad. Most animator should have a degree of knowledge to how humans move (physics are the rules), when i say he doesn't watch basketball i meant he doesn't take an interest to the sports itself, like knowing who was drafted, who won the ECF, who Bruno is... etc. I am sure the animators at least studies how basketball players move about the court when they first got the job.

Besides, majority of the movements are captured by motion capture (the suit with little sensors attached) the animators would just deal with tweaking/adding details/transitions between actions.

Yeah maybe it's not that bad that he doesn't watch basketball, but I believe my other point about their animations not reflecting NBA reality still stands. I don't think they really know what they're doing.

For example, when ingame C's/PF's/SF's run, they have an odd motion as if it were a normal, run-of-the-mill 7 foot human being when going into a sprint, not a professional athlete 7 footer. Yes, even SF's have the same annoying sprint animation as a 7'6" center. What's odd is that normal forward stick motion (sans turbo) is the same for everyone regardless of position, which is a step in the right direction. When you watch NBA footage, you'll see that pretty much everyone runs in a smoothly athletic manner, even the big lugs.
...... all that stuff later. But I doubt anyone actually cares about this like I do. I've been writing things like this (improvements to issues in NBA 2K) down for 4+ years now.

Video is a big industry yes, but 2k most likley dont generate the kind of revenue to give it the polish you want. this is especially true for a sports title who has to pump out a game every single year.
imagine the staff get maybe a months to rest after every launch, then you need to have time for final debug/QA testing ... etc. they would be lucky to have 9 months a year to make a game. (granted a lot of it is repeated assets or data from past year... Every year should be an improvement although it will be slow)

the last sequel that was created in 9 month was dragon age 2 i think and it was terrible

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Kinda OT but im wondering what wiggins/brunos summer league TS%' were

[Blast Tyrant]

Kinda OT but im wondering what wiggins/brunos summer league TS%' were

Bruno .560
Wiggins .533

Again, I don't see why Wiggins was so much more impressive than Bruno. They're both super raw players, the difference being that Bruno isn't going to be forced into shouldering a scoring load, despite being a better shooter.

[RandomRaptorfan]

He's a raptor, so im surprised he's not a -5 rating.

DeKobe is a monster in 2k so that isn't entirely accurate