The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

Revived · Post #1921 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:04 am

DRK wrote:If Dragic ever became a Laker, I would probably cry.

I said the same thing about Nash years ago :cry:

AtheJ415 · Post #1922 » by **AtheJ415** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:10 am

Kerrsed wrote:
ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

If the training staff could get Deron back to his old self, that could be interesting.

But i fail to see how we trade a max contract Bledsoe because of injury concerns for a bigger max contract Williams with even bigger injury concerns.

Not to mention the big age gap between the 2. You don't win by trading the younger, more athletic, higher-upside player for an older, more expensive (even if Bledsoe gets max), lower-ceiling player. It's a clear loss. There are trades out there that might make sense for Bledsoe. This is far from one of them. I'd rather trade Bledsoe and something else for Brook Lopez.

No-Man · Post #1923 » by **No-Man** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:19 am

whaaat if Bledsoe accepts the 48m$/4y deal to play for Cleveland, will you be okay with a S&T that sends you non guaranteed deals, maybe Powell, Joe Harris, Waiters and a pick?

Lets say Cleveland is able through that to get both Bledsoe and Mozgov or Koufos (using Memphis 1st in any of those Centers deals), plus signing Ray Allen...

Irving-Dellavedova
Bledsoe-Allen-Jones
James-Marion-Miller
Love-Thompson
Mozgov-Varejao

Actually lets make it a 3 team deal

Phoenix gets, Waiters, Hickson, Quincy Miller, rookies (Harris, Kirk) non guaranteeds (Thomas, Murphy, Lucas), Memphis 2015 1st round pick, 2015 2nd round draft pick from Denver (they got 3).
Denver gets, Okafor (S&T), Haywood, Powell, Boston 2015 2nd round pick.
Cleveland gets, Bledsoe, Mozgov.

It will have to be made like separate deals, due to restrictions on some guys and the S&T, but I think it makes sense, and is better than losing Bledsoe for nothing next season.

I think is fair, Haywood is a huge asset for Denver come next season, he is a non guaranteed 10m$ contract for one year, instant cap space to trade for a guy and Boston 2nd will be high, they are going nowhere with or without Mozgov so they might very well start retooling, Powell is a nice prospect too, and they take a flyer on Okafor for a one, maybe two with the 2nd one been a TO deal in this trade.
You get Waiters to fill in for Bledsoe, is not the same player, but is a young talent, an interesting rookie in Harris, tough with off the ball abilities and pretty good shooter, plus guys that can be cut right away, and a 1st round pick and a 2nd. Also Quincy Miller is a possible good fit as a stretch four in this roster, even though you got Markieff and Tolliver, the guy still has some upside, if he doesnt perform you can cut him after the TC, worth a gamble.
I included Hickson, I think he is an interesting fit in your style, he is far from being a good defender, but he is an athletic finisher that can help you rebounding and he is not overpaid, plus he only got 2 years more, I think that Denver will like to trade him if they are committing to Faried, long term and money, so if they can they probably will go for it.

What do you think?

Sunsdeuce · Post #1924 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:23 am

ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

There is nothing good associated with deron Williams. Coaching nightmare, extremely injury prone, overpaid, and chemistry killer.

The nets are stuck with that problem and I hope it stays that way.

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Post #1925 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:24 am

ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

Ugly contract. 2 more years at 20m, then a player option at $22m.

Prime and healthy Williams was a top 3 PG in the league and while he may have a career resurgence with our style of play and medical staff, I don't really wanna bet $60m on that.

Give me Bledsoe at the max instead.

Fo-Real · Post #1926 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:25 am

In that video of the Morri working out playing ball, one noticeable face on that vid.... Dion Waiters. No secret waiters and Irving had a beef this past year, it was very public. If Bled does take the Q.O. and indeed can veto or green light a trade, wouldn't that put Bledso's and Waiters salaries pretty close to each others?

Post #1927 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:33 am

Fischella wrote:whaaat if Bledsoe accepts the 48m$/4y deal to play for Cleveland, will you be okay with a S&T that sends you non guaranteed deals, maybe Powell, Joe Harris, Waiters and a pick?

Lets say Cleveland is able through that to get both Bledsoe and Mozgov or Koufos (using Memphis 1st in any of those Centers deals), plus signing Ray Allen...

Irving-Dellavedova
Bledsoe-Allen-Jones
James-Marion-Miller
Love-Thompson
Mozgov-Varejao

Actually lets make it a 3 team deal

Phoenix gets, Waiters, Hickson, Quincy Miller, rookies (Harris, Kirk) non guaranteeds (Thomas, Murphy, Lucas), Memphis 2015 1st round pick, 2015 2nd round draft pick from Denver (they got 3).
Denver gets, Okafor (S&T), Haywood, Powell, Boston 2015 2nd round pick.
Cleveland gets, Bledsoe, Mozgov.

It will have to be made like separate deals, due to restrictions on some guys and the S&T, but I think it makes sense, and is better than losing Bledsoe for nothing next season.

I think is fair, Haywood is a huge asset for Denver come next season, he is a non guaranteed 10m$ contract for one year, instant cap space to trade for a guy and Boston 2nd will be high, they are going nowhere with or without Mozgov so they might very well start retooling, Powell is a nice prospect too, and they take a flyer on Okafor for a one, maybe two with the 2nd one been a TO deal in this trade.
You get Waiters to fill in for Bledsoe, is not the same player, but is a young talent, an interesting rookie in Harris, tough with off the ball abilities and pretty good shooter, plus guys that can be cut right away, and a 1st round pick and a 2nd. Also Quincy Miller is a possible good fit as a stretch four in this roster, even though you got Markieff and Tolliver, the guy still has some upside, if he doesnt perform you can cut him after the TC, worth a gamble.
I included Hickson, I think he is an interesting fit in your style, he is far from being a good defender, but he is an athletic finisher that can help you rebounding and he is not overpaid, plus he only got 2 years more, I think that Denver will like to trade him if they are committing to Faried, long term and money, so if they can they probably will go for it.

What do you think?

lol wtf, no.

letsgosuns · Post #1928 » by **letsgosuns** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:41 am

I would sooner give Bledsoe a max contract than trade for Deron Williams.

toucansma · Post #1929 » by **toucansma** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:43 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

Ugly contract. 2 more years at 20m, then a player option at $22m.

Prime and healthy Williams was a top 3 PG in the league and while he may have a career resurgence with our style of play and medical staff, I don't really wanna bet $60m on that.

Give me Bledsoe at the max instead.

15% Trade kicker too

carey · Post #1930 » by **carey** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:47 am

letsgosuns wrote:I would sooner give Bledsoe a max contract than trade for Deron Williams.

Ugh, ditto. That contract is absurd. You can't have a guy worse than Dragic making 3 times Dragic's salary on the team. No chance.

kingstyyyle · Post #1931 » by **kingstyyyle** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:50 am

Fischella wrote:whaaat if Bledsoe accepts the 48m$/4y deal to play for Cleveland, will you be okay with a S&T that sends you non guaranteed deals, maybe Powell, Joe Harris, Waiters and a pick?

Lets say Cleveland is able through that to get both Bledsoe and Mozgov or Koufos (using Memphis 1st in any of those Centers deals), plus signing Ray Allen...

Irving-Dellavedova
Bledsoe-Allen-Jones
James-Marion-Miller
Love-Thompson
Mozgov-Varejao

Actually lets make it a 3 team deal

Phoenix gets, Waiters, Hickson, Quincy Miller, rookies (Harris, Kirk) non guaranteeds (Thomas, Murphy, Lucas), Memphis 2015 1st round pick, 2015 2nd round draft pick from Denver (they got 3).
Denver gets, Okafor (S&T), Haywood, Powell, Boston 2015 2nd round pick.
Cleveland gets, Bledsoe, Mozgov.

It will have to be made like separate deals, due to restrictions on some guys and the S&T, but I think it makes sense, and is better than losing Bledsoe for nothing next season.

I think is fair, Haywood is a huge asset for Denver come next season, he is a non guaranteed 10m$ contract for one year, instant cap space to trade for a guy and Boston 2nd will be high, they are going nowhere with or without Mozgov so they might very well start retooling, Powell is a nice prospect too, and they take a flyer on Okafor for a one, maybe two with the 2nd one been a TO deal in this trade.
You get Waiters to fill in for Bledsoe, is not the same player, but is a young talent, an interesting rookie in Harris, tough with off the ball abilities and pretty good shooter, plus guys that can be cut right away, and a 1st round pick and a 2nd. Also Quincy Miller is a possible good fit as a stretch four in this roster, even though you got Markieff and Tolliver, the guy still has some upside, if he doesnt perform you can cut him after the TC, worth a gamble.
I included Hickson, I think he is an interesting fit in your style, he is far from being a good defender, but he is an athletic finisher that can help you rebounding and he is not overpaid, plus he only got 2 years more, I think that Denver will like to trade him if they are committing to Faried, long term and money, so if they can they probably will go for it.

What do you think?

I think we would just match. I wouldnt mind it if bledsoe refuses to play for us for anything less than the max.

YouTube · Post #1932 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 4:59 am

Fischella wrote:whaaat if Bledsoe accepts the 48m$/4y deal to play for Cleveland, will you be okay with a S&T that sends you non guaranteed deals, maybe Powell, Joe Harris, Waiters and a pick?

Lets say Cleveland is able through that to get both Bledsoe and Mozgov or Koufos (using Memphis 1st in any of those Centers deals), plus signing Ray Allen...

Irving-Dellavedova
Bledsoe-Allen-Jones
James-Marion-Miller
Love-Thompson
Mozgov-Varejao

Actually lets make it a 3 team deal

Phoenix gets, Waiters, Hickson, Quincy Miller, rookies (Harris, Kirk) non guaranteeds (Thomas, Murphy, Lucas), Memphis 2015 1st round pick, 2015 2nd round draft pick from Denver (they got 3).
Denver gets, Okafor (S&T), Haywood, Powell, Boston 2015 2nd round pick.
Cleveland gets, Bledsoe, Mozgov.

It will have to be made like separate deals, due to restrictions on some guys and the S&T, but I think it makes sense, and is better than losing Bledsoe for nothing next season.

I think is fair, Haywood is a huge asset for Denver come next season, he is a non guaranteed 10m$ contract for one year, instant cap space to trade for a guy and Boston 2nd will be high, they are going nowhere with or without Mozgov so they might very well start retooling, Powell is a nice prospect too, and they take a flyer on Okafor for a one, maybe two with the 2nd one been a TO deal in this trade.
You get Waiters to fill in for Bledsoe, is not the same player, but is a young talent, an interesting rookie in Harris, tough with off the ball abilities and pretty good shooter, plus guys that can be cut right away, and a 1st round pick and a 2nd. Also Quincy Miller is a possible good fit as a stretch four in this roster, even though you got Markieff and Tolliver, the guy still has some upside, if he doesnt perform you can cut him after the TC, worth a gamble.
I included Hickson, I think he is an interesting fit in your style, he is far from being a good defender, but he is an athletic finisher that can help you rebounding and he is not overpaid, plus he only got 2 years more, I think that Denver will like to trade him if they are committing to Faried, long term and money, so if they can they probably will go for it.

What do you think?

Nope. We would just match the deal and then ship him wherever the hell we want.

Revived · Post #1933 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:29 am

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:What's the deal with the thread on the general board that says Bledsoe wants to play with Lebron. Sam Amico reporting this?

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

DirtyDez · Post #1934 » by **DirtyDez** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:29 am

I'd love to buy low on Waiters. Think about going from Mike Brown to Jeff Hornacek.

YouTube · Post #1935 » by **Kerrsed** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:37 am

Well at least Bledsoe has been working out this offseason!

http://instagram.com/p/rKG6uyAXzn/?modal=true

Post #1936 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:46 am

toucansma wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
ray ray wrote:Take this for what is worth.. Don't be surprise when you start hearing rumors of a Eric Bledsoe for a Deron Williams from the nets. New scenery for both players.

* I'm not staying it's going to happen, just keep an eye on this.

Ugly contract. 2 more years at 20m, then a player option at $22m.

Prime and healthy Williams was a top 3 PG in the league and while he may have a career resurgence with our style of play and medical staff, I don't really wanna bet $60m on that.

Give me Bledsoe at the max instead.

15% Trade kicker too

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGcdYB8vF_c[/youtube]

toucansma · Post #1937 » by **toucansma** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:49 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
toucansma wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:Ugly contract. 2 more years at 20m, then a player option at $22m.

Prime and healthy Williams was a top 3 PG in the league and while he may have a career resurgence with our style of play and medical staff, I don't really wanna bet $60m on that.

Give me Bledsoe at the max instead.

15% Trade kicker too

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGcdYB8vF_c[/youtube]

Exactly my thoughts too!

JTrain · Post #1938 » by **JTrain** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:56 am

SF88 wrote:
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:What's the deal with the thread on the general board that says Bledsoe wants to play with Lebron. Sam Amico reporting this?

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

Revived · Post #1939 » by **Revived** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 5:59 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well at least Bledsoe has been working out this offseason!

http://instagram.com/p/rKG6uyAXzn/?modal=true

Look at the gym that he's working out at...

Post #1940 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Sep 4, 2014 6:00 am

I'd argue most players would love to play with Lebron. Most also wouldn't give up money to play with him though.