Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[Chris4Vikes]

Sign and trades don't bring that much return in general, but it would be an option that would help Houston, Dallas, Sacramento and to a lesser degree NY (dumping JR).

My guess is the front office already has an idea of what a sign and trade might bring, so they have something to compare any in-season deals to.

Here's my problem with this plan. Rondo with the Cs all year means at least 4-5 more wins, and for what? In this draft, it was the difference between Parker or Smart. Smart or Payton. It matters.

[KGboss]

Sign and trades don't bring that much return in general, but it would be an option that would help Houston, Dallas, Sacramento and to a lesser degree NY (dumping JR).

My guess is the front office already has an idea of what a sign and trade might bring, so they have something to compare any in-season deals to.

Here's my problem with this plan. Rondo with the Cs all year means at least 4-5 more wins, and for what? In this draft, it was the difference between Parker or Smart. Smart or Payton. It matters.

This statement is funny to me. All based on projections, no one is a true fortune teller. Parker could end up being a huge bust and Smart could end up being the best guard in this draft.

Drafting or evaluating players isnt an exact science. Greg Oden and Bargnani can tell you that.

As for Rondo, I doubt he finishes the season here. I think they should move him now, but I also am of the belief that Smart will be a better player than Rondo when all is said and done as well.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Wiretap says Lakers will have interest in Bledsoe and Dragic- so it's possible Rondo will be the third most sought after point guard on the market... Sell now, his trade value's only going to get worse if teams think they have so many attractive options in the summer... MKG/Vonleh/Kemba/pick, Kemba to SAC for Mclemore..

Best deal I've seen, but probably need to find a way to get Josh Smith over in Charlotte.. This works in the trade checker.

Rondo & Smith to Char
MKG, McLemore, Biyombo and Jason Thompson to Boston
Green & Gary Neal to Detroit
Walker & Gerald Henderon to Sac

[StojkoVrankovic]

How many assets do we need before we start to cash them in?

[CelticFaninLBC]

How many assets do we need before we start to cash them in?

Who do we cash them in on? What top 25 player is available?

[165bows]

Sign and trades don't bring that much return in general, but it would be an option that would help Houston, Dallas, Sacramento and to a lesser degree NY (dumping JR).

My guess is the front office already has an idea of what a sign and trade might bring, so they have something to compare any in-season deals to.

Here's my problem with this plan. Rondo with the Cs all year means at least 4-5 more wins, and for what? In this draft, it was the difference between Parker or Smart. Smart or Payton. It matters.

I'll second KGB on that notion I don't care one bit that we have Smart instead of Parker. It stinks they couldn't have traded a top pick for Love but I've come 'full circle' on Parker. For some time I thought he was the clear cut best player into the draft but was pretty much convinced he's a significant risk. And I never really bought all the hype on that draft, I'd seen most of those guys a bit even before the NCAAs. Even that Lowe BS report they said a significant portion of the league sees Wiggins as likely not being average in quality compared to past number one picks.

So it matters sometimes but I don't think anyone thinks this upcoming draft is epic enough to just dump All Stars for. I'm actually optimistic on the return they get if they trade Rondo.

[StojkoVrankovic]

How many assets do we need before we start to cash them in?

Who do we cash them in on? What top 25 player is available?

There comes a point where you need to start improving your roster and simply not stockpiling additional picks and young players.

I have zero desire in becoming the Sixers

[CelticFaninLBC]

How many assets do we need before we start to cash them in?

Who do we cash them in on? What top 25 player is available?

There comes a point where you need to start improving your roster and simply not stockpiling additional picks and young players.

I have zero desire in becoming the Sixers

Sounds great. Who do you target then?

[StojkoVrankovic]

Who do we cash them in on? What top 25 player is available?

There comes a point where you need to start improving your roster and simply not stockpiling additional picks and young players.

I have zero desire in becoming the Sixers

Sounds great. Who do you target then?

Not the point.

I simply question the desire to trade all our vets and obtain additional youth and picks. The Utah Jazz situation is eerily similar and I don't want to live that nightmare

[baubo]

How many assets do we need before we start to cash them in?

Who do we cash them in on? What top 25 player is available?

The thing about getting top 25 players is to have one on the roster in the roster in the first place. Get one and then suddenly those assets look a lot more appetizing to a team whose own star is about to leave. The question isn't how much those assets stockpile, it's how to grab that first star. And no, I don't think Rondo is that star at his current age, injuries, and contract situation. If you believe otherwise, ignore the rest of this post.

So I believe at this point, the first step is to look for that first star. Most of the time that first star comes from sucking and getting lucky in the draft. Sometimes you get lucky with a FA signing like Nash or Billups. Sometimes you get lucky and James Harden becomes available. Draft picks cover two of those possibilities. Cap space cover the other one. After that, it's only about being able to strike when opportunity arises. I know everyone in the NBA thinks James Harden sucks, but I still to this day am thankful that the Rockets were able to prepare the package for him when multiple other teams passed. And I am much happier today about the Rockets than I did even 3 years ago, when I thought we were in NBA no-man's land. For those fans who hate the Sixers, I can tell you from personal experience that having a .500 team with no chance of upward mobility is certainly not any better.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I personally think the only reason to hold on to Rondo is if the front office truly believes he can recruit that second star. Otherwise, probably should just sell him to the highest bidder.

[calamity]

How many assets do we need before we start to cash them in?

Who do we cash them in on? What top 25 player is available?

The thing about getting top 25 players is to have one on the roster in the roster in the first place. Get one and then suddenly those assets look a lot more appetizing to a team whose own star is about to leave. The question isn't how much those assets stockpile, it's how to grab that first star. And no, I don't think Rondo is that star at his current age, injuries, and contract situation. If you believe otherwise, ignore the rest of this post.

So I believe at this point, the first step is to look for that first star. Most of the time that first star comes from sucking and getting lucky in the draft. Sometimes you get lucky with a FA signing like Nash or Billups. Sometimes you get lucky and James Harden becomes available. Draft picks cover two of those possibilities. Cap space cover the other one. After that, it's only about being able to strike when opportunity arises. I know everyone in the NBA thinks James Harden sucks, but I still to this day am thankful that the Rockets were able to prepare the package for him when multiple other teams passed. And I am much happier today about the Rockets than I did even 3 years ago, when I thought we were in NBA no-man's land. For those fans who hate the Sixers, I can tell you from personal experience that having a .500 team with no chance of upward mobility is certainly not any better.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I personally think the only reason to hold on to Rondo is if the front office truly believes he can recruit that second star. Otherwise, probably should just sell him to the highest bidder.

Rockets fan? and your motive here is? Don't really agree with much of what you said. Too much volatility and variability. Also Rondo doesnt fit with Harden and your team doesnt have great assets anyway.

[CelticFaninLBC]

There comes a point where you need to start improving your roster and simply not stockpiling additional picks and young players.

I have zero desire in becoming the Sixers

Sounds great. Who do you target then?

Not the point.

I simply question the desire to trade all our vets and obtain additional youth and picks. The Utah Jazz situation is eerily similar and I don't want to live that nightmare

They have to pick a direction because this team is heading to a meh #9 - #11 pick... Problem with cashing in the picks and young guys is that there aren't many good players available via trade, and 2015 free agency looks horrible, with Rondo being a top 3 free agent in 2015.

[FakeScreenName123]

The Utah Jazz situation is eerily similar and I don't want to live that nightmare

What if I told you - you/we might already be in it?

[Captain_Caveman]

It's not all relative. I would much rather be 4 spots higher in the lottery, everything else being equal. I don't think there is much debate that there is a super strong correlation between draft position and your odds of landing MVP/All-Star/Starter/rotation player talent. Even accounting for one's ability to develop talent, for each spot down the draft, you probably lose 3-5% odds of those things happening.

This also relates (strongly, IMO) to the value of our collective assets. Some of these late 1sts we have are nothing more than lottery tickets, and you aren't going to hit gold on all of them. For every Tony Allen, there's a JaJuan Johnson, if not a Fab Melo as well. Even then, TA took a long time to become TA. So I'm not overly concerned with having "too many" assets for the time being. Aside from Smart, and maybe one of those Nets picks, none of them are likely to be of the blue chip variety.

[StojkoVrankovic]

The Utah Jazz situation is eerily similar and I don't want to live that nightmare

What if I told you - you/we might already be in it?

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Utah Jazz situation is eerily similar and I don't want to live that nightmare

What if I told you - you/we might already be in it?

Yeah we're basically Utah once Rondo's gone...


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[baubo]

Rockets fan? and your motive here is? Don't really agree with much of what you said. Too much volatility and variability. Also Rondo doesnt fit with Harden and your team doesnt have great assets anyway.

Motive? I come here in case there are nuggets regarding Rondo I'm interested in. I certainly have no illusions that I can somehow interfere with the inner workings of an NBA front office. I thought I'd simply share my experience as a fan who went through two rebuilds following Olajuwon and then T-Mac/Yao.

If you disagree, so be it. It's is my own opinion after all. But to think I can have an agenda quite frankly is insulting to what I believe to be one of the best front offices in the NBA.

[GuyClinch]

What if I told you - you/we might already be in it?

This. Rajon Rondo is not a superstar.. This is like the 90s but with more draft picks.

90s Cs:

1992-3 Reggie Lewis and Dee Brown - 48 wins.
1993-4 Dee Brown and 32 wins.
1994-5 Dee Brown and 35 wins.
1995-6 Wesley and 33 wins

Celtics
2012-3 Pierce and Garnett (old) 41 wins (Rondo hurt)
2013-4 Bass (top winshares!) 25 wins
2014-5 Rondo? 33 wins?

Live a few decades and you see the same patterns repeat. Hopefully Danny can grab some assests so we don't have to tank and get Billups and Ron Mercer again..

Anyway stop worrying about nightmares - they are here now. Start worrying about how we can get out of it faster then we did in the 90s. Its no easy trick - PItino thought it was ..

What's even more amazing is that we have a bunch of board members who want to trade Smart for some established but second rate player. They clearly miss Rick Pitino and his quick fix ways..

[DarkAzcura]

What if I told you - you/we might already be in it?

This. Rajon Rondo is not a superstar.. This is like the 90s but with more draft picks.

90s Cs:

1992-3 Reggie Lewis and Dee Brown - 48 wins.
1993-4 Dee Brown and 32 wins.
1994-5 Dee Brown and 35 wins.
1995-6 Wesley and 33 wins

Celtics
2012-3 Pierce and Garnett (old) 41 wins (Rondo hurt)
2013-4 Bass (top winshares!) 25 wins
2014-5 Rondo? 33 wins?

Live a few decades and you see the same patterns repeat. Hopefully Danny can grab some assests so we don't have to tank and get Billups and Ron Mercer again..

Anyway stop worrying about nightmares - they are here now. Start worrying about how we can get out of it faster then we did in the 90s. Its no easy trick - PItino thought it was ..

What's even more amazing is that we have a bunch of board members who want to trade Smart for some established but second rate player. They clearly miss Rick Pitino and his quick fix ways..

The only trades I've seen around here with Smart involved Kevin Love. Unless you think Love is a second rate player, please tell me this isn't true.

[sam_I_am]

It's not all relative. I would much rather be 4 spots higher in the lottery, everything else being equal. I don't think there is much debate that there is a super strong correlation between draft position and your odds of landing MVP/All-Star/Starter/rotation player talent. Even accounting for one's ability to develop talent, for each spot down the draft, you probably lose 3-5% odds of those things happening.

This also relates (strongly, IMO) to the value of our collective assets. Some of these late 1sts we have are nothing more than lottery tickets, and you aren't going to hit gold on all of them. For every Tony Allen, there's a JaJuan Johnson, if not a Fab Melo as well. Even then, TA took a long time to become TA. So I'm not overly concerned with having "too many" assets for the time being. Aside from Smart, and maybe one of those Nets picks, none of them are likely to be of the blue chip variety.

So we should have won more games last year so we could have drafted first instead of Cle.