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jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:fat lever wrote:CODY cant really defend, dribble, pass or shoot at a level needed for an NBA player. that's very different than Biz not being able to catch a entry pass with a man draped completely over his back.
Fixed it for you.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
jdm3 wrote:LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:Cody can't shoot, finish, rebound (for his position), defend in the post, defend on the perimeter.
That's just a massive over-exaggeration. He's not perfect at these things, but you can't say that he flat out can't do them.
From the things you mentioned, defense is definitely something that has been over-looked with Cody. He had a quite nice understanding for a rookie on where to be on defense per my observations.
Well Biz can catch he just isn't perfect at it. If that meant he can't catch then it means EVERYTHING I stated is true. I saw Biz drop some passes and saw him catch some passes so he can do it but people keep saying he can't. I am just applying that logic to Cody to prove the point.
I understand defense as I am sure you do but that does not mean we could defend. I never said he was not bright enough to understand defense just that he was a poor defender. He is terrible in the post because he is so incredibly weak for his position and he is poor on the perimeter because he does not move well and falls for every fake ever thrown. These are things that can improve but right now if we say Biz can't catch we can say all that about Cody and be just as correct.
jdm3 wrote:that's very different than Biz not being able to catch a entry pass with a man draped completely over his back.
Liver_Pooty wrote:jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Fixed it for you.
Lol, okay.
LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:that's very different than Biz not being able to catch a entry pass with a man draped completely over his back.
I swear that happens once every ten games. Do not tell me we feed him the ball with a "man draped completely over his back".
jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:jdm3 wrote:
Fixed it for you.
Lol, okay.
Well I don't get the lack of patience with Biz. He is the same age as Cody and has had way worse coaching and chances at experience. If he had been in college the two years Cody was he would have been a WAY better pick and be a better player now. Cody isn't any more ready to be a productive player right now than Biz, he is actually less so since he doesn't do anything above average for his position unlike Biz. If we need to question a guy it should be Cody then Biz then MKG due to age experience and usable skills.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:LamarMatic7 wrote:That's just a massive over-exaggeration. He's not perfect at these things, but you can't say that he flat out can't do them.
From the things you mentioned, defense is definitely something that has been over-looked with Cody. He had a quite nice understanding for a rookie on where to be on defense per my observations.
Well Biz can catch he just isn't perfect at it. If that meant he can't catch then it means EVERYTHING I stated is true. I saw Biz drop some passes and saw him catch some passes so he can do it but people keep saying he can't. I am just applying that logic to Cody to prove the point.
I understand defense as I am sure you do but that does not mean we could defend. I never said he was not bright enough to understand defense just that he was a poor defender. He is terrible in the post because he is so incredibly weak for his position and he is poor on the perimeter because he does not move well and falls for every fake ever thrown. These are things that can improve but right now if we say Biz can't catch we can say all that about Cody and be just as correct.
I don't think it's the same at all. Biz mostly gets ignored on pick-n-rolls, his cuts don't suck in defenses, his team-mates don't look for him on those cuts (for a reason) and the purpose of a Biz pick-n-roll mainly is to set the ball handler free. Most of the drops we're talking about are ones that shouldn't even be mentioned in the context of an NBA player. He mostly gets fed when penetration opens up chances to feed him while he's roaming the base-line or the paint. And he's having trouble with that!! Forget about using his athleticism on pick-n-rolls and feeding him on those or him being adept at making the proper movements and catches when playing with another real big man (that's meant for the people who wanted him and Al together on the court) when you need the right timing and feel to either cut or bounce out to the free throw line. He's miles away from ever learning that when he can't catch those same old regular drop-offs for dunks. That's why I don't think you can compare it to Cody who's at least average at the things you mentioned.
Liver_Pooty wrote:jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Lol, okay.
Well I don't get the lack of patience with Biz. He is the same age as Cody and has had way worse coaching and chances at experience. If he had been in college the two years Cody was he would have been a WAY better pick and be a better player now. Cody isn't any more ready to be a productive player right now than Biz, he is actually less so since he doesn't do anything above average for his position unlike Biz. If we need to question a guy it should be Cody then Biz then MKG due to age experience and usable skills.
Everyone on here has been more than patient with Biyombo, and most if not all of us are still being patient with him. Its not running out of patience you state some of the things hes not good at. People are so sensitive over this guy its crazy.
jdm3 wrote:LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:Well Biz can catch he just isn't perfect at it. If that meant he can't catch then it means EVERYTHING I stated is true. I saw Biz drop some passes and saw him catch some passes so he can do it but people keep saying he can't. I am just applying that logic to Cody to prove the point.
I understand defense as I am sure you do but that does not mean we could defend. I never said he was not bright enough to understand defense just that he was a poor defender. He is terrible in the post because he is so incredibly weak for his position and he is poor on the perimeter because he does not move well and falls for every fake ever thrown. These are things that can improve but right now if we say Biz can't catch we can say all that about Cody and be just as correct.
I don't think it's the same at all. Biz mostly gets ignored on pick-n-rolls, his cuts don't suck in defenses, his team-mates don't look for him on those cuts (for a reason) and the purpose of a Biz pick-n-roll mainly is to set the ball handler free. Most of the drops we're talking about are ones that shouldn't even be mentioned in the context of an NBA player. He mostly gets fed when penetration opens up chances to feed him while he's roaming the base-line or the paint. And he's having trouble with that!! Forget about using his athleticism on pick-n-rolls and feeding him on those or him being adept at making the proper movements and catches when playing with another real big man (that's meant for the people who wanted him and Al together on the court) when you need the right timing and feel to either cut or bounce out to the free throw line. He's miles away from ever learning that when he can't catch those same old regular drop-offs for dunks. That's why I don't think you can compare it to Cody who's at least average at the things you mentioned.
How do you wake the highlight videos without watching the games. He caught the ball well last season when not posting up. Both on the break and in half court. He moved well and kept his hands up and even finished well. He isn't defended because guys refuse to pass to him due to history not what he did last season. He has trouble posting and holding a guy on his back. Something that would have been easier learned against college centers like Cody unlike the NBA centers he has to work against. He is so much closer to being a good pro than Cody is it isn't even funny. You guys love Cody and hate on Biz for 0 reason and wonder why it is so annoying.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:jdm3 wrote:Well I don't get the lack of patience with Biz. He is the same age as Cody and has had way worse coaching and chances at experience. If he had been in college the two years Cody was he would have been a WAY better pick and be a better player now. Cody isn't any more ready to be a productive player right now than Biz, he is actually less so since he doesn't do anything above average for his position unlike Biz. If we need to question a guy it should be Cody then Biz then MKG due to age experience and usable skills.
Everyone on here has been more than patient with Biyombo, and most if not all of us are still being patient with him. Its not running out of patience you state some of the things hes not good at. People are so sensitive over this guy its crazy.
I don't defend him more than you defend Cody. You have chosen to attack this guy and grant Cody a free pass. I am just defending this guy the way you defend the other.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Everyone on here has been more than patient with Biyombo, and most if not all of us are still being patient with him. Its not running out of patience you state some of the things hes not good at. People are so sensitive over this guy its crazy.
I don't defend him more than you defend Cody. You have chosen to attack this guy and grant Cody a free pass. I am just defending this guy the way you defend the other.
Lol you call what I say about Biyombo attacking? You act like I say he sucks or something.
jdm3 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:jdm3 wrote:I don't defend him more than you defend Cody. You have chosen to attack this guy and grant Cody a free pass. I am just defending this guy the way you defend the other.
Lol you call what I say about Biyombo attacking? You act like I say he sucks or something.
I guess the massive exaggeration of his ability to catch and you constant ragging on his choice of off court workout is praise. All you ever do is make statements about him not working on basketball enough, despite no knowledge of that, and talk about his inability to catch, which you way exaggerate. That is attacking a player and really without cause on the workout front. With his camps and all this summer he may have spent more time on a court than anyone on the team.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
jdm3 wrote:How do you wake the highlight videos without watching the games. He caught the ball well last season when not posting up. Both on the break and in half court. He moved well and kept his hands up and even finished well. He isn't defended because guys refuse to pass to him due to history not what he did last season. He has trouble posting and holding a guy on his back. Something that would have been easier learned against college centers like Cody unlike the NBA centers he has to work against. He is so much closer to being a good pro than Cody is it isn't even funny. You guys love Cody and hate on Biz for 0 reason and wonder why it is so annoying.
LamarMatic7 wrote:jdm3 wrote:How do you wake the highlight videos without watching the games. He caught the ball well last season when not posting up. Both on the break and in half court. He moved well and kept his hands up and even finished well. He isn't defended because guys refuse to pass to him due to history not what he did last season. He has trouble posting and holding a guy on his back. Something that would have been easier learned against college centers like Cody unlike the NBA centers he has to work against. He is so much closer to being a good pro than Cody is it isn't even funny. You guys love Cody and hate on Biz for 0 reason and wonder why it is so annoying.
Posting up? He probably posted up like 20 times the whole season.
And I don't know where you get the other allegations from. I do watch the games. I don't know why the hell you think I love Cody after I merely said that he's average at certain aspects of basketball. And, for **** sakes, I have Biz in my avatar as one of my favorite it NBA guys/players ever. I don't hate the guy, geez.
Liver_Pooty wrote:Everyone on here has been more than patient with Biyombo, and most if not all of us are still being patient with him. Its not running out of patience you state some of the things hes not good at. People are so sensitive over this guy its crazy.
fatlever wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Everyone on here has been more than patient with Biyombo, and most if not all of us are still being patient with him. Its not running out of patience you state some of the things hes not good at. People are so sensitive over this guy its crazy.
well said LP.
biz is still my favorite hornet and i want to lock him up to a long-term deal. but, i am also not so blinded by optimism that i cant point out biz's very obvious current limitations.
BizGilwalker wrote:fatlever wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Everyone on here has been more than patient with Biyombo, and most if not all of us are still being patient with him. Its not running out of patience you state some of the things hes not good at. People are so sensitive over this guy its crazy.
well said LP.
biz is still my favorite hornet and i want to lock him up to a long-term deal. but, i am also not so blinded by optimism that i cant point out biz's very obvious current limitations.
He's limited, but he's so good at what he does right. He has flaws, but he's really not far off from being like Omer Asik. Asik is incredibly limited offensively but he's still viewed as an excellent player.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:NCHeels2008 wrote:weird to see him talk so highly of Gobert and trash Bismack Biyombo in the same off season, similar players and I think Biz is much further along.
I'd take Gobert over Biyombo rather easily, and any non homerish Charlotte fan would as well.
Good luck with that though. Most Charlotte fans think he is the next Ben Wallace.
