#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

weird to see him talk so highly of Gobert and trash Bismack Biyombo in the same off season, similar players and I think Biz is much further along.

I'd take Gobert over Biyombo rather easily, and any non homerish Charlotte fan would as well.

Good luck with that though. Most Charlotte fans think he is the next Ben Wallace.

Last year Gobert averaged 3.9 turnovers and 12.6 points per 100 possessions. Biz averaged 1.9 turnovers and 10.8 points per 100 possessions. Funny how Biz turns the ball over at such a lower rate for a guy who can't catch anything.

Do you mean the Ben Wallace who never averaged 10 points per 36 minutes and never shot over 50% from the free throw line?

Ben Wallace career stats per 36 min: 7pts, 11.8 rebounds, 2.4 blocks, 1.5 steals, 47% from the field, 41% from the free throw line, 1.2 turnovers

Biz stats per 36 from last season: 7.5 pts 12.3 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 0.2 steals, 61% from the field, 51% from the free throw line, 1.3 turnovers

Ben Wallace like most big men peaked between 27 and 31. Biz is younger then Ben Wallace was as a rookie in the NBA.

So, tell me. Do you think Biyombo is the next Ben Wallace?

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

[HornetJail]

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

oh come on are you serious? do I need to show you an article where a doctor proved he is what age he says he is?

Well I did anyway: http://pistonpowered.com/2011/04/26/how-old-is-bismack-biyombo-a-doctor-explains-how-accurately-the-wrist-test-could-determine-biyombos-age/

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he’s listed, as the wild speculation we’ve seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

[Liver_Pooty]

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

oh come on are you serious? do I need to show you an article where a doctor proved he is what age he says he is?

Well I did anyway: http://pistonpowered.com/2011/04/26/how-old-is-bismack-biyombo-a-doctor-explains-how-accurately-the-wrist-test-could-determine-biyombos-age/

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he’s listed, as the wild speculation we’ve seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

Yeah. I've seen that 45 times. Doesn't mean anything. Most of the executives. in the league believe he is older than he is according to Zach Lowe, who is probably the best NBA writer on the planet. Hurts his value as a player.

Going into his 4th year now as the 7th pick in the 2011 draft. Hope he eventually lives up to it. Not a coincidence that we went from a 21 win team or whatever to the 7th seed in the playoffs whenever we signed Jefferson. Was a big hole on our roster, and we filled it, thankfully.

[GoBobs]

Ben's second season in the league he played 16.8 min and it is the only one directly comparable to the 13.9 min Biz averaged last year. Wallace was 23 at the time.

Ben averaged 3.1 pts, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 blocks, 0.9 steals 52% from the field, but only 36% from the free throw line in those 16.8 min.

Biz last year averaged 2.9 pts, 4.8 rebounds, 1.1 blocks 0.1 steals and 61% from the field and 51% from the free throw line in 13.9 minutes.

Ben got more steals as he did over his career. Biz shot a better percentage from the floor and a much better free throw percentage. All the other stats were pretty close. They have some similar strengths and weaknesses which is why the comparison is popular. There is no reason to say Biz couldn't be as good even if he is 25.

[thesneakysneak]

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

oh come on are you serious? do I need to show you an article where a doctor proved he is what age he says he is?

Well I did anyway: http://pistonpowered.com/2011/04/26/how-old-is-bismack-biyombo-a-doctor-explains-how-accurately-the-wrist-test-could-determine-biyombos-age/

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he’s listed, as the wild speculation we’ve seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

Yeah. I've seen that 45 times. Doesn't mean anything. Most of the executives. in the league believe he is older than he is according to Zach Lowe, who is probably the best NBA writer on the planet. Hurts his value as a player.

Going into his 4th year now as the 7th pick in the 2011 draft. Hope he eventually lives up to it. Not a coincidence that we went from a 21 win team or whatever to the 7th seed in the playoffs whenever we signed Jefferson. Was a big hole on our roster, and we filled it, thankfully.

So science and medicine count for nothing because a bunch of unqualified guys have a 'gut feeling' and don't want to listen to reason? It doesn't matter if zac Lowe reports it, if the doctor is legit, then his age is verified.
You can have a point on his value being lowered because the old farts don't believe in the science, but that's their problem, not the hornets or for Biz

[LamarMatic7]

It was sarcasm because obviously you would have to watch the games to compile all the highlights. It was pointed at your inaccurate account of Biz dropping everything and Cody being a good defender. Cody is a smart player but looks like Bambi trying to learn to walk when he plays perimeter defense and gets shoved anywhere anyone wants him to go in the post. I am sick of people taking what guys did three years ago and saying it is true now because they want to put a guy down. It has changed and it was obvious to anyone who watched the games.

I never did say Biz dropped everything and Cody was a good defender. There's a difference between that and me saying that he's not yet adept at catching more difficult passes and me saying that Cody had a good understanding on defense. Notice how you yourself say that he is a smart player. Exactly what I was talking about.

[BeesWax]

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

oh come on are you serious? do I need to show you an article where a doctor proved he is what age he says he is?

Well I did anyway: http://pistonpowered.com/2011/04/26/how-old-is-bismack-biyombo-a-doctor-explains-how-accurately-the-wrist-test-could-determine-biyombos-age/

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he’s listed, as the wild speculation we’ve seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

Yeah. I've seen that 45 times. Doesn't mean anything. Most of the executives. in the league believe he is older than he is according to Zach Lowe, who is probably the best NBA writer on the planet. Hurts his value as a player.

Going into his 4th year now as the 7th pick in the 2011 draft. Hope he eventually lives up to it. Not a coincidence that we went from a 21 win team or whatever to the 7th seed in the playoffs whenever we signed Jefferson. Was a big hole on our roster, and we filled it, thankfully.

There was a time when lots of idiots thought the earth was flat even though there was proof they were wrong. There was a time when lots of idiots knew the earth was the center of the universe despite proof they were wrong.

A bunch of guys who know nothing different from anyone else and have been proven wrong don't hold much weight. He is the age listed so who cares what other people think.

[BeesWax]

It was sarcasm because obviously you would have to watch the games to compile all the highlights. It was pointed at your inaccurate account of Biz dropping everything and Cody being a good defender. Cody is a smart player but looks like Bambi trying to learn to walk when he plays perimeter defense and gets shoved anywhere anyone wants him to go in the post. I am sick of people taking what guys did three years ago and saying it is true now because they want to put a guy down. It has changed and it was obvious to anyone who watched the games.

I never did say Biz dropped everything and Cody was a good defender. There's a difference between that and me saying that he's not yet adept at catching more difficult passes and me saying that Cody had a good understanding on defense. Notice how you yourself say that he is a smart player. Exactly what I was talking about.

So you are admitting I was right and Cody is a bad defender? Because if so why did you argue that point with me. I never said he didn't understand defense just that he wasn't good at playing it.

[yosemiteben]

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe.

To be fair, I believe Lowe never said an age - he just said older. I think you just inserted 25 as a random guess.

[LamarMatic7]

So you are admitting I was right and Cody is a bad defender? Because if so why did you argue that point with me. I never said he didn't understand defense just that he wasn't good at playing it.

Do you even read what I say? Why is it all extremes with you? Hate this player, love that player, he's good at that, he's bad at this.

As I said before - I wouldn't call him a bad defender, I consider him merely average in those areas just as in scoring at the rim and whatever else you listed he supposedly can't do.

[BeesWax]

So you are admitting I was right and Cody is a bad defender? Because if so why did you argue that point with me. I never said he didn't understand defense just that he wasn't good at playing it.

Do you even read what I say? Why is it all extremes with you? Hate this player, love that player, he's good at that, he's bad at this.

As I said before - I wouldn't call him a bad defender, I consider him merely average in those areas just as in scoring at the rim and whatever else you listed he supposedly can't do.

Your exact quote below.

Cody can't shoot, finish, rebound (for his position), defend in the post, defend on the perimeter.

That's just a massive over-exaggeration. He's not perfect at these things, but you can't say that he flat out can't do them.

From the things you mentioned, defense is definitely something that has been over-looked with Cody. He had a quite nice understanding for a rookie on where to be on defense per my observations.

I said he was a bad defender and you countered with he had a nice understanding. Again I say that doesn't matter if you still can't defend, which he can't. He isn't average at anything right now he is sub-par at every part of his game according to what he did on the court last season. Can he get better? Sure, but he has a long way to go to hit average.

If he was average at something I have no problem stating that but he is just bad right now. It isn't extremes, it is the truth. Kemba is an average distributor right now. I have no problem not using extremes with guys but Cody is an extreme as far as his game goes right now. IF Biz is bad at catching like people are saying then grading on the same standard Cody is bad at the things I listed. I am just holding his level of play to the same standards that people hold Biz. It makes sense to do this since they are the same age and Cody has actually had more coaching and help.

[NCHeels2008]

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

oh come on are you serious? do I need to show you an article where a doctor proved he is what age he says he is?

Well I did anyway: http://pistonpowered.com/2011/04/26/how-old-is-bismack-biyombo-a-doctor-explains-how-accurately-the-wrist-test-could-determine-biyombos-age/

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he’s listed, as the wild speculation we’ve seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

Yeah. I've seen that 45 times. Doesn't mean anything. Most of the executives. in the league believe he is older than he is according to Zach Lowe, who is probably the best NBA writer on the planet. Hurts his value as a player.

Going into his 4th year now as the 7th pick in the 2011 draft. Hope he eventually lives up to it. Not a coincidence that we went from a 21 win team or whatever to the 7th seed in the playoffs whenever we signed Jefferson. Was a big hole on our roster, and we filled it, thankfully.

most executives in the NFL think michael sam is a "distraction" for being gay, I think this is stereotyping because he's from Africa

[NCHeels2008]

part of me wishes we would give biz away for peanuts to the Cavs and the world can see what a defensive beast he is

[HornetJail]

part of me wishes we would give biz away for peanuts to the Cavs and the world can see what a defensive beast he is

I want him to be our undercover defensive beast. At least until we pay him. After that he can break out all he wants.

[Eoghan]

that's very different than Biz not being able to catch a entry pass with a man draped completely over his back.

I swear that happens once every ten games. Do not tell me we feed him the ball with a "man draped completely over his back".

I'd say it happens once every 2-3 games and half of those times it's usually a pass thrown at Biz's feet.

Real talk: LP is easily as bad about being a broken record about Biz bobbling passes than I am about Al sucking at defense. The problem with Biz is you generally don't notice the good stuff Biz does b/c they don't show up on the stat sheet like altering shots or bone crunching screens that free a guy up for a bucket.

[Liver_Pooty]

that's very different than Biz not being able to catch a entry pass with a man draped completely over his back.

I swear that happens once every ten games. Do not tell me we feed him the ball with a "man draped completely over his back".

I'd say it happens once every 2-3 games and half of those times it's usually a pass thrown at Biz's feet.

Real talk: LP is easily as bad about being a broken record about Biz bobbling passes than I am about Al sucking at defense. The problem with Biz is you generally don't notice the good stuff Biz does b/c they don't show up on the stat sheet like altering shots or bone crunching screens that free a guy up for a bucket.

Sorry, but I actually praise Biyombo when its warrented. You've been down on Jefferson since day one.

Lol edit: Setting good screens. This is what its come to with the 7th pick in the 2011 draft. Great screens.

I give up, you win sir.

[fatlever]

i've never liked the ben wallace comparison for biz. its not fair. wallace read the game, defensively, like only a few big men in the past 20 years have (guys like garnett and marc gasol come to mind). you can't teach (or practice or crossfit your way into) the kind of understanding that wallace had of the game on defense.

[BeesWax]

i've never liked the ben wallace comparison for biz. its not fair. wallace read the game, defensively, like only a few big men in the past 20 years have (guys like garnett and marc gasol come to mind). you can't teach (or practice or crossfit your way into) the kind of understanding that wallace had of the game on defense.

You are right that takes time and experience that Wallace had much more of by the time he was playing in the NBA. Comparing their per 36 numbers from their first three years Biz is better almost across the board. Neither could score well both rebounded well, slight edge to Wallace, and both blocked shots well, slight edge to Biz. This was with Biz coming in at 18 and Wallace coming in at 22. We will see how much Biz develops as he gets more time to play.

[Elden Payton]

The Biz hate is ridiculous imo, the guy offers us a dimension in the paint that is integral for winning basketball.

He plays his role, are we meant to be down on him that he isn't Ben Wallace?

Biz is 21 years old and still has ridiculous upside.

[Liver_Pooty]

The Biz hate is ridiculous imo, the guy offers us a dimension in the paint that is integral for winning basketball.

He plays his role, are we meant to be down on him that he isn't Ben Wallace?

Biz is 21 years old and still has ridiculous upside.

Hey! Hes 22!