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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1421 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 1:56 pm

Regulio wrote:I think it was a good decision to sit JV in the 4th quarter. We were having problems on defensive end with him. He is moving like 40 year old, and Slovenia is a very fast team. So when Slovenia was contained, why change anything if it's working ? That was a great decision by Kazlauskas.
It is nice to have a team of hard workers after all. Individually we suck.


I missed the second half of the game so someone will have to properly explain what happened. When I was watching there seemed to be a swing back and forth for both teams. Up by 4, down by 4, up by 3, down by 3. Lithuania wins by 3 and the coach is a hero for benching JV? Did Lithuania go down big in the second half?
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1422 » by Jstock12 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 2:15 pm

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Regulio wrote:I think it was a good decision to sit JV in the 4th quarter. We were having problems on defensive end with him. He is moving like 40 year old, and Slovenia is a very fast team. So when Slovenia was contained, why change anything if it's working ? That was a great decision by Kazlauskas.
It is nice to have a team of hard workers after all. Individually we suck.


I missed the second half of the game so someone will have to properly explain what happened. When I was watching there seemed to be a swing back and forth for both teams. Up by 4, down by 4, up by 3, down by 3. Lithuania wins by 3 and the coach is a hero for benching JV? Did Lithuania go down big in the second half?


Lithuania was down 7 going into the 4th quarter. Coach decided to go with brothers Lavrinovic. They have much more experience and are used to playing with each other, not to mention they're much more mobile. And it worked, they really anchored the whole defense.

That's not a knock on Jonas however, I don't feel like he was playing poorly yesterday. It's just that he's still young and doesn't have the highest BBIQ out there. In clutch time the coach decided to go with experience, and it panned out.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1423 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 2:18 pm

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Regulio wrote:I think it was a good decision to sit JV in the 4th quarter. We were having problems on defensive end with him. He is moving like 40 year old, and Slovenia is a very fast team. So when Slovenia was contained, why change anything if it's working ? That was a great decision by Kazlauskas.
It is nice to have a team of hard workers after all. Individually we suck.


I missed the second half of the game so someone will have to properly explain what happened. When I was watching there seemed to be a swing back and forth for both teams. Up by 4, down by 4, up by 3, down by 3. Lithuania wins by 3 and the coach is a hero for benching JV? Did Lithuania go down big in the second half?


Lithuania was down 7 going into the 4th quarter. Coach decided to go with brothers Lavrinovic. They have much more experience and are used to playing with each other, not to mention they're much more mobile. And it worked, they really anchored the whole defense.

That's not a knock on Jonas however, I don't feel like he was playing poorly yesterday. It's just that he's still young and doesn't have the highest BBIQ out there. In clutch time the coach decided to go with experience, and it panned out.


Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can find the game and watch the second half.
Lateral Quicks wrote:Gradually JV's minutes will approach zero at the same time his points and rebounds approach infinity - a statistical singularity, if you will. Shrewd move from Nurse.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1424 » by ESTK » Fri Sep 5, 2014 2:36 pm

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I missed the second half of the game so someone will have to properly explain what happened. When I was watching there seemed to be a swing back and forth for both teams. Up by 4, down by 4, up by 3, down by 3. Lithuania wins by 3 and the coach is a hero for benching JV? Did Lithuania go down big in the second half?


Lithuania was down 7 going into the 4th quarter. Coach decided to go with brothers Lavrinovic. They have much more experience and are used to playing with each other, not to mention they're much more mobile. And it worked, they really anchored the whole defense.

That's not a knock on Jonas however, I don't feel like he was playing poorly yesterday. It's just that he's still young and doesn't have the highest BBIQ out there. In clutch time the coach decided to go with experience, and it panned out.


Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can find the game and watch the second half.


Worth also mentioning a fact, that Lithuania were down by 11 when 16-2 run happened. With Lavrinovic brothers on the coart and JV/DMo on the bench Lithuanian team held Slovenians to 0 points almost all 4th quarter, allowing to score first basket with less than a minute to go. It was really something special to watch. Probably best quarter in years played by Lithuanian NT.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1425 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 3:00 pm

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Lithuania was down 7 going into the 4th quarter. Coach decided to go with brothers Lavrinovic. They have much more experience and are used to playing with each other, not to mention they're much more mobile. And it worked, they really anchored the whole defense.

That's not a knock on Jonas however, I don't feel like he was playing poorly yesterday. It's just that he's still young and doesn't have the highest BBIQ out there. In clutch time the coach decided to go with experience, and it panned out.


Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can find the game and watch the second half.


Worth also mentioning a fact, that Lithuania were down by 11 when 16-2 run happened. With Lavrinovic brothers on the coart and JV/DMo on the bench Lithuanian team held Slovenians to 0 points almost all 4th quarter, allowing to score first basket with less than a minute to go. It was really something special to watch. Probably best quarter in years played by Lithuanian NT.


Sad to have missed it.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1426 » by VanGuard » Fri Sep 5, 2014 3:57 pm

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Clementine9 wrote:
I missed the second half of the game so someone will have to properly explain what happened. When I was watching there seemed to be a swing back and forth for both teams. Up by 4, down by 4, up by 3, down by 3. Lithuania wins by 3 and the coach is a hero for benching JV? Did Lithuania go down big in the second half?


Lithuania was down 7 going into the 4th quarter. Coach decided to go with brothers Lavrinovic. They have much more experience and are used to playing with each other, not to mention they're much more mobile. And it worked, they really anchored the whole defense.

That's not a knock on Jonas however, I don't feel like he was playing poorly yesterday. It's just that he's still young and doesn't have the highest BBIQ out there. In clutch time the coach decided to go with experience, and it panned out.


Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can find the game and watch the second half.


Here is the OFFICIAL source.
http://www.tv3play.lt/programos/krepsin ... start=true
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1427 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:03 pm

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Clementine9 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
Lithuania was down 7 going into the 4th quarter. Coach decided to go with brothers Lavrinovic. They have much more experience and are used to playing with each other, not to mention they're much more mobile. And it worked, they really anchored the whole defense.

That's not a knock on Jonas however, I don't feel like he was playing poorly yesterday. It's just that he's still young and doesn't have the highest BBIQ out there. In clutch time the coach decided to go with experience, and it panned out.


Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can find the game and watch the second half.


Here is the OFFICIAL source.
http://www.tv3play.lt/programos/krepsin ... start=true


"Programa galite matyti tik jungdamiesi is Lietuvos interneto tiekeju tinklu"

How do I fix this? :(
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1428 » by BackseatBoss » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:04 pm

The thing that I hate the most is that for whatever reason Lithuania is not trying to go to Jonas in the post. Instead they usually just use him as an energy big. In my opinion that's pretty much idiotic. Jonas is shooting around 78% on his FG, a lot of them came from when he was posting up, but he only averages 6.4 FGA per game. If he is supposed to be your star player, he needs to average much more than that, especially since he has been really efficient. Also, I watched that game against Slovenia and I got to say, Lithuania got really lucky in the 4th. Slovenia's main center was grabbing offensive boards but missing layups right next to the basket, Slovenia shot a lot of wide open threes and missed all of them. The only thing Lithuania did well defensively is shut down Dragic.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1429 » by VanGuard » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:09 pm

Clementine9 wrote:
VanGuard wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:
Thanks!

I'll have to see if I can find the game and watch the second half.


Here is the OFFICIAL source.
http://www.tv3play.lt/programos/krepsin ... start=true


"Programa galite matyti tik jungdamiesi is Lietuvos interneto tiekeju tinklu"

How do I fix this? :(


Damn it. Those words mean that you can only watch this from Lithuania. You could use a proxy server if you know how, but otherwise the game isn't on the Youtube yet.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1430 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:13 pm

BackseatBoss wrote:The thing that I hate the most is that for whatever reason Lithuania is not trying to go to Jonas in the post. Instead they usually just use him as an energy big. In my opinion that's pretty much idiotic. Jonas is shooting around 78% on his FG, a lot of them came from when he was posting up, but he only averages 6.4 FGA per game. If he is supposed to be your star player, he needs to average much more than that, especially since he has been really efficient. Also, I watched that game against Slovenia and I got to say, Lithuania got really lucky in the 4th. Slovenia's main center was grabbing offensive boards but missing layups right next to the basket, Slovenia shot a lot of wide open threes and missed all of them. The only thing Lithuania did well defensively is shut down Dragic.


From what I saw it was the offense that was the issue. I really think they have a problem incorporating their bigs (DM and JV) and it throws them all out of whack. They gave up a bunch of fast break points off of turnovers, a handful of those being from passes involving their bigs. They simply don't know how to get the ball inside. The offense flows much better without those two sometimes, but not because it should. Lithuania will be bottlenecked by their offense until they learn to play to the strengths of their individual players and use a more versatile system. The offense can be fun to watch when they're hitting tons of threes and it's clicking, but hot shooting is a short term thing, not long term.

From the stats I'm looking at every quarter their defense got better but their offense got worse.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1431 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:14 pm

VanGuard wrote:
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Here is the OFFICIAL source.
http://www.tv3play.lt/programos/krepsin ... start=true


"Programa galite matyti tik jungdamiesi is Lietuvos interneto tiekeju tinklu"

How do I fix this? :(


Damn it. Those words mean that you can only watch this from Lithuania. You could use a proxy server if you know how, but otherwise the game isn't on the Youtube yet.


I'm sure a proxy will be just fine, thanks a million!
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1432 » by Jstock12 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:57 pm

Clementine9 wrote:
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"Programa galite matyti tik jungdamiesi is Lietuvos interneto tiekeju tinklu"

How do I fix this? :(


Damn it. Those words mean that you can only watch this from Lithuania. You could use a proxy server if you know how, but otherwise the game isn't on the Youtube yet.


I'm sure a proxy will be just fine, thanks a million!


Or you can always buy a plane ticket, fly to Lithuania, rent a room in hotel with Wi-Fi, order room service, lie down to the bed, watch the game like a boss, then order a plane ticket back to Canada and fly home.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1433 » by Clementine9 » Fri Sep 5, 2014 4:58 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
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Damn it. Those words mean that you can only watch this from Lithuania. You could use a proxy server if you know how, but otherwise the game isn't on the Youtube yet.


I'm sure a proxy will be just fine, thanks a million!


Or you can always buy a ticket, fly to Lithuania, rent a room in hotel with Wi-Fi, order room service, lie down to the bed, watch the game like a boss, then order a ticket to Canada and fly home.


It was an important game against Slovenia... hmmmm.
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Re: JV at World Cup 2014 

Post#1434 » by BackseatBoss » Fri Sep 5, 2014 5:05 pm

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BackseatBoss wrote:The thing that I hate the most is that for whatever reason Lithuania is not trying to go to Jonas in the post. Instead they usually just use him as an energy big. In my opinion that's pretty much idiotic. Jonas is shooting around 78% on his FG, a lot of them came from when he was posting up, but he only averages 6.4 FGA per game. If he is supposed to be your star player, he needs to average much more than that, especially since he has been really efficient. Also, I watched that game against Slovenia and I got to say, Lithuania got really lucky in the 4th. Slovenia's main center was grabbing offensive boards but missing layups right next to the basket, Slovenia shot a lot of wide open threes and missed all of them. The only thing Lithuania did well defensively is shut down Dragic.


From what I saw it was the offense that was the issue. I really think they have a problem incorporating their bigs (DM and JV) and it throws them all out of whack. They gave up a bunch of fast break points off of turnovers, a handful of those being from passes involving their bigs. They simply don't know how to get the ball inside. The offense flows much better without those two sometimes, but not because it should. Lithuania will be bottlenecked by their offense until they learn to play to the strengths of their individual players and use a more versatile system. The offense can be fun to watch when they're hitting tons of threes and it's clicking, but hot shooting is a short term thing, not long term.

From the stats I'm looking at every quarter their defense got better but their offense got worse.

Yeah, I agree. Some Lithuanian posters tried to say that the reason why Jonas didn't get involved on offense more during friendly games was because they were just friendly games. We can clearly see that was not the case. Also, during that Slovenia game the offense in the 4th was downright terrible. Like if Slovenia were unlucky for not hitting wide open shots, Lithuania made a bunch of pretty ridiculous shots. Almost all of the points they scored in that quarter were from tough and well guarded situations. I really don't think Lithuania would've lost that game if Jonas played in the 4th, because the dude that replaced him on the court wasn't the reason they won, it was the fact that they managed to shut down Dragic.
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Post#1435 » by cold_cowboy » Sat Sep 6, 2014 12:02 am

it's simply that jonas isn't quick and experienced enough to be relied up at crucial stages of the game. his inability to defend the pick and roll consistently and his constant emotional wind-ups are risky. he's the one lithuanian that can be seen constantly showing his frustration when he doesn't receive the ball in the post, constantly waiving his hands in disapproval. he's the future of this team clearly, although he's still immature. in terms of his talent and ability, nobody is disputing that.
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Post#1437 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Sep 6, 2014 11:27 am

cold_cowboy wrote:it's simply that jonas isn't quick and experienced enough to be relied up at crucial stages of the game. his inability to defend the pick and roll consistently and his constant emotional wind-ups are risky. he's the one lithuanian that can be seen constantly showing his frustration when he doesn't receive the ball in the post, constantly waiving his hands in disapproval. he's the future of this team clearly, although he's still immature. in terms of his talent and ability, nobody is disputing that.


He's shooting 78%. He should be frustrated.
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Post#1438 » by Jstock12 » Sat Sep 6, 2014 12:46 pm

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Practicing that Hakeem step-back fadeaway :lol:
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Practicing his mid range pump fake I see :lol:
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Post#1440 » by Jstock12 » Sat Sep 6, 2014 1:01 pm

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Practicing his mid range pump fake I see :lol:


But damn that's a high release.

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