Jackie M - Rondo wants out?

[165bows]

Edit - I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Mavs throw 2-3 picks/pick swaps to try to make it happen while moving Felton/Nelson with some other minor guys. They've essentially traded down or out of every draft since 2008, and have about a 2-3 year window. It wouldn't be the best possible return, but a lightly protected pick in 2017-18 would be the best bet in that type of package for a solid return. I just feel like that is the bar that the various SAC/Houston teams will have to get over.

Very hard to guess, I know there were legit reports rom Woj, Stein & DAL media guys about the Mavs trying to trade for Rondo before 2013's FA started, but quite a lot things changed since back then. Rondo's deal is an expiring one now, DAL brought in Ellis a year ago, Monta had a lot of success with the Mavs, this time we're not a couple of days before FA starts, but already months into it, etc.

I could see us being extremely interested in Rondo once again, though I could also envision the Mavs having some concerns about a potential Ellis/Rondo backcourt due to their lack of shooting & both being high usage guys. Maybe that scares them away too much to put together such an offer (those picks are pretty much our only 'real' assets) & they decide to wait until FA to make a pitch. Shaking up our roster would likely also be an issue to us as such a trade would create one or maybe even more holes at other positions in our rotation. Very hard to guess on which side Cuban, Nelson & Carlisle are on this one Imo. There'd be a lot of pros & cons.

Personally, I'd love to have Rondo though. I think he's still a high quality player & a great competitor. I'd be ecstatic if the Mavs could find a way to make a trade for him.

What I'd offer:

Two 1st round picks (three is too much for an expiring contract Imo)
Wright
Felton
Crowder
Ledo or Mekel
As many 2nd rounders as you want (we usually hand those out like candy anyway ... )

for

Rondo
Faverani or Sullinger ('cause shipping out Wright would creat a huge hole in our frontcourt-rotation)

I know reading Felton's name in any trade scenario is always a bummer, but there's no way the Mavs could match salaries without shipping him out (I'm pretty sure they wouldn't move Ellis). Though I don't think his contract is THAT horrible. He earns only $3,7M & he has a player option for next season. Maybe he even decided to opt out in case he has a better year than last season.

Do you think that offer would be somewhere in the ballpark?

I would structure it Felton/Nelson/Crowder/Ledo whenever Nelson's trade restriction expired. Wright's more valuable to Dallas than Boston and creates too many headaches to add in.

If I were Boston I'd look to get 2015 pick top 10 protected, option to swap Boston's 2016 pick from Cleveland with Dallas' 2016 pick top 10 protected, and then 2017 pick with little to no protection. It actually looks similar to the Kidd trade minus Devin Harris.

I'd try to get that type of offer in hand to shop against other teams once more players become available for trade (Jason Terry in Houston, etc) so there are more bidders. The first pick is basically what it would cost Dallas to get of Felton (and really Nelson as well), so it's a pretty good deal for Dallas but you've got to start somewhere and work your way up.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Nelson can't be traded until mid-December... Ainge should try to get a 3rd pick, as the 2015 pick is probably in the 20's, and Dallas doesn't have any good young players to trade...

[sully00]

Ok, so how about this:

Would Ainge be interested in keeping Rondo around (and would Rondo be interested in staying) if he got Josh Smith for cheap (e.g. either Sully/Olynyk, Wallace, Clippers pick, maybe the Cleveland pick)? That clock keeps ticking for Monroe, and you gotta figure that the last thing Detroit wants is Monroe to sign that qualifying offer. They may get desperate and dump Josh Smith. I think that the addition of Smith makes the team more athletic, capable of causing havoc on defense. Smith's contract sucks, but if the Cs get rid of Wallace in the deal, and Jeff Green opts out, the Celtics could still have enough room under the cap to chase a big free agent, and still have the Brooklyn picks and Smart/Young and either Sully/Olynyk to use for a trade.

I understand the premise of this but it isn't going to work. If you could somehow get DET to take Wallace or maybe Green and a draft pick maybe but you don't sacrifice anything for this guy right now he is toxic.

Smith is a player whose ascendancy has always been problematic. He is talented defensive player and a flawed but productive offensive player, in some ways similar to Gerald Wallace. Over time these guys lose the ability to overcome opponents physically and when that happens they need to fall back on their skill set to remain effective. Wallace was able to do that and still can to an extent the body is just not really even NBA caliber anymore. With Smith he is just not a smart player and lacks those types of skills. So he got paid and is no longer a standout defensive player but is still a high usage player who is as inefficient as ever.

I never thought Josh Smith played to win he played to get paid and now that he has I just don't think this guy is going to find the drive to be a champion. I get that Rondo and him are friends but even if Rondo wants that reunion now when he sees the results he is likely going to have the same feelings he has now. You really don't want to get stuck with Smith and no Rondo

[sully00]

So we should have won more games last year so we could have drafted first instead of Cle.

I understand how math works. All of the teams who won fewer games picked above us. I was OK with that, but if people are trying to argue that there is no difference between picking four spots later in the lottery because all prospects are unknowns (or that there is no difference in lottery odds depending of how many games you win), that's just asinine hairsplitting.

I'd trade Smart for Parker. So would anyone.

I had my two months obsession with Parker but the guy shot 45%/30%/73% in conference play with an atrocious assist rate, and likely tops out as average defensively. Plus he looks like he just finished drinking buttermilk in interviews. Maybe he wins ROY but it will be the MCW variety where he puts up 15/7 on 40% shooting.

If Smart can do a sane version of Artest I'm more than happy with that.

I don't like the positional fit with Rondo and Bradley and would have preferred to get some size that high in the draft but with the injury issues with the bigs I have a feeling Ainge (and myself if it was my call) would have gone with Smart at 3. I love the possibility of Embiid but the injury issues are really scary, now Vonleh is down as well and there were the issues with Randle who is a bad fit with Sully. I did not care for taking Gordon or Exum.

I like Parker and I am not going to say I think Smart is a going to better than him. But I like the prospects of Marcus Smart as a lead guard. I think your going to have a very good all around player and leader. The Tony Allen comparisons come up because of the style but your talking about Tony Allen being able to handle the ball play under control and score and put up 18/5/5.

Parker may be a 25ppg scorer, and could be the next Carmelo Anthony and the good and the bad that comes with it but i think he may be more of a Rudy Gay. Who I like more than most but lets face it does not fit the profile of a guy you want by your side in a dark alley.

Marcus Smart is that kind of player.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[calamity]

Hmm...is it so controversial to say that renowned Jac Mac did something no different that the shady Chris Broussard would do. I mean she basically cant even stand by her off air statement. There are just too many things pointing to the contrary.

[ConstableGeneva]

Celtics exec: Rondo trade request 'news to me': http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/cel ... st-news-me

Gotham added, "it's more of an issue for the media than it is for us. We have a good sense of reality in relation to Rajon and all of our players. We don't get caught up in the rumor mill or any of that stuff. What we focus on with Rajon is getting him ready to play. What we want to see is the Rajon rondo from 2011, 2012, back in his best form. That's what gets us excited. When we talk to Rondo, that's what we talk about. We're not talking about trades."

[shawn unkempt]

As if these guys would actually say that he did. Saw this as a response to this statement somewhere else:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Flip_Saunders/status/436360466512609280[/tweet]

[Sagev]

As if these guys would actually say that he did. Saw this as a response to this statement somewhere else:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Flip_Saunders/status/436360466512609280[/tweet]

Well its not implausible that he may have not informed him in February. I think they were made aware post season.

[ConstableGeneva]

Prior to JackieMac's off-the-cuff comment about Rondo "wanting out", which hasn't been substantiated or backed up by ESPN or any major reporting agency and which doesn't even mean Rondo actually wants to be traded (could be just he wanted to test free agency), there has been ZERO indication that Rondo wants to be traded. Big difference from Love's circumstances since ALL indications pointed to Love wanting out and wanting out badly.

EDIT: ZERO and ALL may be exaggerations since I don't really follow closely everything they do.

[shawn unkempt]

I guess we will just have to disagree then. I think he wants out just as bad as Love but isn't making it public because he knows his reputation can't take another PR hit.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jackie was absolutely dead-on with her reporting- she said no one believes her

[Edug27]

Time will tell whether her sources are legit or not. I think Peter Vecsey confirmed that Love demanded a trade months before the national media caught on .... Love and Flip both denied it at the time Vecsey reported it. So basically, you can't trust anyone. Let's hope for the best.

[Captain_Caveman]

Thing is, accurate or not, Jackie didn't mean for that info to even *get* reported. ESPN knows this and even acknowledged as much in their statement when they said posting the video had put her in a bad position.

The hot mic aspect makes it even more believable, IMO.

And yes, all parties will obviously deny it as it would destroy whatever trade value the guy has, and make it more difficult to get him to a desired destination for a decent return.

[calamity]

But who does Jack Mac have ties to in this case? Certainly not Rondo. Nor the FO as Gotham proves. Doc Rivers? If him and Rondo are at such odds that she is alluding to, he wouldn't know anything but perhaps make things up to further soil the situation, ya know. Rondo doesnt give her the chummy chummy treatment that past C's stars have, she probably want him out like Bob Ryan and the rest of them. A journalist's enemy is an un-accessible subject. So I will take her claims with a huge grain of salt.

[Tenbomber]

"On and on it goes..... and where it stops, nobody knows?"

Rondo needs to decide if he is on the bus or off it....

Sign on the dotted line Rondo.....

[Captain_Caveman]

But who does Jack Mac have ties to in this case? Certainly not Rondo. Nor the FO as Gotham proves. Doc Rivers? If him and Rondo are at such odds that she is alluding to, he wouldn't know anything but perhaps make things up to further soil the situation, ya know. Rondo doesnt give her the chummy chummy treatment that past C's stars have, she probably want him out like Bob Ryan and the rest of them. A journalist's enemy is an un-accessible subject. So I will take her claims with a huge grain of salt.

Jackie has been covering the team for 30 years, you think she doesn't know anyone? From front office types to players past and present, to coaches to game-day staffers to the broadcasters to the extensive front office tree of ex-Celtics that exists around the league, there's really no question that she has extensive ties all over the place who might know a thing about this.

Not saying definitively that it really happened, but to use a couple of standard PR denials to discredit her ties to the team is a little whatever. She's pretty respected.

[165bows]

But who does Jack Mac have ties to in this case? Certainly not Rondo. Nor the FO as Gotham proves. Doc Rivers? If him and Rondo are at such odds that she is alluding to, he wouldn't know anything but perhaps make things up to further soil the situation, ya know. Rondo doesnt give her the chummy chummy treatment that past C's stars have, she probably want him out like Bob Ryan and the rest of them. A journalist's enemy is an un-accessible subject. So I will take her claims with a huge grain of salt.

Jackie has been covering the team for 30 years, you think she doesn't know anyone? From front office types to players past and present, to coaches to game-day staffers to the broadcasters to the extensive front office tree of ex-Celtics that exists around the league, there's really no question that she has extensive ties all over the place who might know a thing about this.

Not saying definitively that it really happened, but to use a couple of standard PR denials to discredit her ties to the team is a little whatever. She's pretty respected.

Her articles read like Doc Rivers Press Releases and she makes buckets of errors when speaking about the league. That's why I don't put too much stock in what she says.

On the flip side, the Turner signing makes no sense to me except in light of a Rondo trade. Especially the part about his agent wanting him to 'expand his role.' Dude had the mother of all green lights in Philly, what else could they be talking about but a repeat of the Terrence Williams Experience? Playing center?

So who knows.

[calamity]

But who does Jack Mac have ties to in this case? Certainly not Rondo. Nor the FO as Gotham proves. Doc Rivers? If him and Rondo are at such odds that she is alluding to, he wouldn't know anything but perhaps make things up to further soil the situation, ya know. Rondo doesnt give her the chummy chummy treatment that past C's stars have, she probably want him out like Bob Ryan and the rest of them. A journalist's enemy is an un-accessible subject. So I will take her claims with a huge grain of salt.

Jackie has been covering the team for 30 years, you think she doesn't know anyone? From front office types to players past and present, to coaches to game-day staffers to the broadcasters to the extensive front office tree of ex-Celtics that exists around the league, there's really no question that she has extensive ties all over the place who might know a thing about this.

Not saying definitively that it really happened, but to use a couple of standard PR denials to discredit her ties to the team is a little whatever. She's pretty respected.

I know her credentials, I know she has her legit sources, however in this case she seems to be doing little more than her own speculation. The statement from Rich Gotham is not just a PR statement, they have people that do that. It goes against her comment that "he came to them and told them he wants out". This doesn't appear to be entirely true if at all. Your inclination to believe her claims on this situation is no different than someone that chooses not to believe her claims have any merit in this situation. Everyone wants to believe things that fit their own thinking or agenda. That is all.

[Captain_Caveman]

But who does Jack Mac have ties to in this case? Certainly not Rondo. Nor the FO as Gotham proves. Doc Rivers? If him and Rondo are at such odds that she is alluding to, he wouldn't know anything but perhaps make things up to further soil the situation, ya know. Rondo doesnt give her the chummy chummy treatment that past C's stars have, she probably want him out like Bob Ryan and the rest of them. A journalist's enemy is an un-accessible subject. So I will take her claims with a huge grain of salt.

Jackie has been covering the team for 30 years, you think she doesn't know anyone? From front office types to players past and present, to coaches to game-day staffers to the broadcasters to the extensive front office tree of ex-Celtics that exists around the league, there's really no question that she has extensive ties all over the place who might know a thing about this.

Not saying definitively that it really happened, but to use a couple of standard PR denials to discredit her ties to the team is a little whatever. She's pretty respected.

I know her credentials, I know she has her legit sources, however in this case she seems to be doing little more than her own speculation. The statement from Rich Gotham is not just a PR statement, they have people that do that. It goes against her comment that "he came to them and told them he wants out". This doesn't appear to be entirely true if at all. Your inclination to believe her claims on this situation is no different than someone that chooses not to believe her claims have any merit in this situation. Everyone wants to believe things that fit their own thinking or agenda. That is all.

I don't have an agenda, dude. I'm a pragmatist to the core and know how to read the tea leaves. If you want to think that Jackie suddenly strayed off the reservation after 30+ years in a conversation she thought was off the record, up to you. We aren't talking about Shaughnessy or one of these talk radio clowns here.