The Greg Monroe free agent super tour thread

[epheisey]

How could we possibly dump almost $10M without taking anything back? Only possibility would be Philly taking on JJ, Bynum, Datome and us giving them next years pick at least to do so. Bledsoe would also have to want to come here and Phoenix not match, I just don't see it as feasible.

We don't need to dump 10m. You said that we have 4.5m available, that means to get to 12m we need to move 7.5m. PHX has a cap hold of 10m on Bledsoe if I'm assuming correctly that his hold matches what Monroe's hold was. So they should be able to accept 7.5m in salary in a deal. JJ/Bynum adds up to 7.5m + the 4.5m in cap space we have is 12m. The issue becomes what PHX wants to make a deal happen.

My point is that Phoenix isn't taking any of our garbage when they could simply match the offer that they already made to him. If you want them to not match you either have to offer near the max or really good incentives, we can't do either.

It comes down to what does Bledsoe really want. Does he want money or out of Phoenix. If he wants out, similar to what Monroe just pulled, PHX might be willing to work a S&T. Obviously if that's Bledsoe's goal, to get out of PHX, he's not going to sign an offer sheet without a deal in place already. If he wants a max deal, then he's stuck with that QO regardless.

It's extremely unlikely all around. But it would definitely merit some looking into is all I'm saying.

[Snakebites]

Man, we're really grasping at straws here.

Back on the topic though, I will admit that while I am upset about Monroe's pending departure I am genuinely curious to see where teams value him in a true free agent market.

[ComboGuardCity]

I like Moose and It's pretty respectable to take the QO instead of bitching on social media and demanding a trade. That said, hopefully he's gone by the deadline. No reason to keep around a piece that isn't in it for the long haul.


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[Invictus88]

I like Moose and It's pretty respectable to take the QO instead of bitching on social media and demanding a trade. That said, hopefully he's gone by the deadline. No reason to keep around a piece that isn't in it for the long haul.


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Unless there's an immediate need from a contending team than I think the chances of us being able to trade him are extremely low.

The following conditions would have to be met:

1. Monroe has to be willing to accept a trade to the destination team. (he has veto power with the QO)
2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.
3. Monroe has to be willing to sign a long term contract with the destination team ( a 3-month rental is very unlikely).
4. The destination team has to be willing to give up assets to the Pistons for something they could most likely acquire for free in the off-season.

Points 2 and 4 are especially unlikely.

[Snakebites]

I like Moose and It's pretty respectable to take the QO instead of bitching on social media and demanding a trade. That said, hopefully he's gone by the deadline. No reason to keep around a piece that isn't in it for the long haul.


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Unless there's an immediate need from a contending team than I think the chances of us being able to trade him are extremely low.

The following conditions would have to be met:

1. Monroe has to be willing to accept a trade to the destination team. (he has veto power with the QO)
2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.
3. Monroe has to be willing to sign a long term contract with the destination team ( a 3-month rental is very unlikely).
4. The destination team has to be willing to give up assets to the Pistons for something they could most likely acquire for free in the off-season.

Points 2 and 4 are especially unlikely.

Give it up, man. Nobody cares about the facts when it comes to Monroe trades and their plausibility.

[ChipButty]

I like Moose and It's pretty respectable to take the QO instead of bitching on social media and demanding a trade. That said, hopefully he's gone by the deadline. No reason to keep around a piece that isn't in it for the long haul.


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Unless there's an immediate need from a contending team than I think the chances of us being able to trade him are extremely low.

The following conditions would have to be met:

1. Monroe has to be willing to accept a trade to the destination team. (he has veto power with the QO)
2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.
3. Monroe has to be willing to sign a long term contract with the destination team ( a 3-month rental is very unlikely).
4. The destination team has to be willing to give up assets to the Pistons for something they could most likely acquire for free in the off-season.

Points 2 and 4 are especially unlikely.

Why is point 2 unlikely? I see article after article stating that Monroe won't want to give up his bird rights, but if he wants out of Detroit I don't see why they are that important to him. Unless of course he wants to negotiate a contract with Detroit again at the end of next year. In which case, we are back to square one but have a tonne of cap space to play with first.

[ComboGuardCity]

I like Moose and It's pretty respectable to take the QO instead of bitching on social media and demanding a trade. That said, hopefully he's gone by the deadline. No reason to keep around a piece that isn't in it for the long haul.


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Unless there's an immediate need from a contending team than I think the chances of us being able to trade him are extremely low.

The following conditions would have to be met:

1. Monroe has to be willing to accept a trade to the destination team. (he has veto power with the QO)
2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.
3. Monroe has to be willing to sign a long term contract with the destination team ( a 3-month rental is very unlikely).
4. The destination team has to be willing to give up assets to the Pistons for something they could most likely acquire for free in the off-season.

Points 2 and 4 are especially unlikely.

Give it up, man. Nobody cares about the facts when it comes to Monroe trades and their plausibility.

Going to a team poised to make a deep playoff run and in need of a center is not plausible? The Mavs for one of their prospects? It's plausible.


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[epheisey]

Can Monroe retain his bird rights in a s&t after this season or are they gone regardless unless he re-signs with Detroit?

I don't really see how the bird rights issue makes Monroe not want to be dealt. But it definitely is a negative for teams that would have interest in trading for him. This isn't a typical "rental" situation. Those typically involve older players that have no trade value. Remember the Tayshaun trade. If you're ok taking back nothing of value in return, sure there might be something available. But there's nothing in it for the Pistons.

It is getting tiring re-explaining why Monroe holds no trade value. I feel like I've read snakebites post the same "I'm tired of explaining why this won't work" at least a dozen times. Which only shows how many times he actually explained it in the first place......


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[Dirtgrain]

Well, when Grant Hill chose to sign with the Orlando Magic in free agency, Dumars turned it into a trade that worked out well for us (didn't necessarily seem like good value then--but damn it was). So, here is to hoping.

[Dirtgrain]

2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.

He gets to take them with him wherever he signs? No.

[Kilo]

So many teams can sign Monroe outright I don't think Bird Rights matter all that much really. Sure it might be a little less money he takes by walking without any S&T, but given the money he left on the table now I think he'd rather take less than force his signing team to have to give up some assets to pay him more. He's rather his new team keep those assets to make them better.

Teams interested in signing him next year with enough cap room could be smart to trade for him now to try him out and get him comfortable with their team/situation. However I think Stan would rather keep Monroe and get his output at $5.5M for the season than trade him away for scraps now. He's not a rebuild type of dude, and trading Monroe for a conditional pick would be telling the fans "Look we're going to be worse off for this upcoming season...".

[Invictus88]

I like Moose and It's pretty respectable to take the QO instead of bitching on social media and demanding a trade. That said, hopefully he's gone by the deadline. No reason to keep around a piece that isn't in it for the long haul.


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Unless there's an immediate need from a contending team than I think the chances of us being able to trade him are extremely low.

The following conditions would have to be met:

1. Monroe has to be willing to accept a trade to the destination team. (he has veto power with the QO)
2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.
3. Monroe has to be willing to sign a long term contract with the destination team ( a 3-month rental is very unlikely).
4. The destination team has to be willing to give up assets to the Pistons for something they could most likely acquire for free in the off-season.

Points 2 and 4 are especially unlikely.

Why is point 2 unlikely? I see article after article stating that Monroe won't want to give up his bird rights, but if he wants out of Detroit I don't see why they are that important to him. Unless of course he wants to negotiate a contract with Detroit again at the end of next year. In which case, we are back to square one but have a tonne of cap space to play with first.

He's going to be out of Detroit next offseason for certain and on his own terms. A few months waiting isn't going to be much of a deterrent. He potentially has more flexibility to sign with teams if he has them unless I'm mistaken.

Most likely when he negotiates with another ballclub he will mandate that they go through the pistons for some sort of S&T deal as that will allow him to have the most earning potential. The Pistons will have absolutely zero leverage at that point so they will likely agree to anything that even marginally improves their ballclub. But that's all it will likely do.

It's definitely not square one as there isn't any grounds for a standoff at that point. The Pistons will be completely at Monroe's / Falk's mercy.

[Invictus88]

2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.

He gets to take them with him wherever he signs? No.

If he's smart he'll make the team he signs with do a S&T with the Pistons in order to retain them.

It's a fairly common practice nowadays. The returns to the Pistons will be extremely marginal at best as they have no bargaining power at that point.

[Invictus88]

Unless there's an immediate need from a contending team than I think the chances of us being able to trade him are extremely low.

The following conditions would have to be met:

1. Monroe has to be willing to accept a trade to the destination team. (he has veto power with the QO)
2. Monroe has to be willing to give up his bird rights which he would lose if he was traded.
3. Monroe has to be willing to sign a long term contract with the destination team ( a 3-month rental is very unlikely).
4. The destination team has to be willing to give up assets to the Pistons for something they could most likely acquire for free in the off-season.

Points 2 and 4 are especially unlikely.

Give it up, man. Nobody cares about the facts when it comes to Monroe trades and their plausibility.

Going to a team poised to make a deep playoff run and in need of a center is not plausible? The Mavs for one of their prospects? It's plausible.


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I actually mentioned that in my post (see my quote above). Even then it's much more likely he just waits as it hurts him financially to be traded during the season. He can sign with a playoff team in the off-season on his terms.

[Invictus88]

Can Monroe retain his bird rights in a s&t after this season or are they gone regardless unless he re-signs with Detroit?

I don't really see how the bird rights issue makes Monroe not want to be dealt. But it definitely is a negative for teams that would have interest in trading for him. This isn't a typical "rental" situation. Those typically involve older players that have no trade value. Remember the Tayshaun trade. If you're ok taking back nothing of value in return, sure there might be something available. But there's nothing in it for the Pistons.

It is getting tiring re-explaining why Monroe holds no trade value. I feel like I've read snakebites post the same "I'm tired of explaining why this won't work" at least a dozen times. Which only shows how many times he actually explained it in the first place......


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I'm fairly certain if Monroe works out a S&T deal with the Pistons next offseason then he will retain his Bird rights. Technically because of the signing he would be on the Pistons who would hold them like they would for any other player. Then when the trade portion is executed they would transfer to the new team.

The only time Bird rights aren't retained is trading while on a QO unless I'm mistaken.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here guys.

[Snakebites]

Can Monroe retain his bird rights in a s&t after this season or are they gone regardless unless he re-signs with Detroit?

I don't really see how the bird rights issue makes Monroe not want to be dealt. But it definitely is a negative for teams that would have interest in trading for him. This isn't a typical "rental" situation. Those typically involve older players that have no trade value. Remember the Tayshaun trade. If you're ok taking back nothing of value in return, sure there might be something available. But there's nothing in it for the Pistons.

It is getting tiring re-explaining why Monroe holds no trade value. I feel like I've read snakebites post the same "I'm tired of explaining why this won't work" at least a dozen times. Which only shows how many times he actually explained it in the first place......


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I'm fairly certain if Monroe works out a S&T deal with the Pistons next offseason then he will retain his Bird rights. Technically because of the signing he would be on the Pistons who would hold them like they would for any other player. Then when the trade portion is executed they would transfer to the new team.

The only time Bird rights aren't retained is trading while on a QO unless I'm mistaken.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here guys.

The moment free agency begins Monroe is no longer a player on a qualifying offer. His situation is identical to that of any other unrestricted free agent, which means sign and trades are a theoretical possibility.

Of course, given the large number of teams with cap space this offseason, our leverage in such deals is extremely limited.

[mercury]

Should not count out trade scenarios...
Greg understands that he is no longer a priority here... he would likely want to move to a team on a trial basis to see if he likes the situation (waiving his trade clause).
Granted any deals might not net fair value in return... however we could receive a player on an expiring deal with bird rights... our own rent to own player if he works out.

[epheisey]

Can Monroe retain his bird rights in a s&t after this season or are they gone regardless unless he re-signs with Detroit?

I don't really see how the bird rights issue makes Monroe not want to be dealt. But it definitely is a negative for teams that would have interest in trading for him. This isn't a typical "rental" situation. Those typically involve older players that have no trade value. Remember the Tayshaun trade. If you're ok taking back nothing of value in return, sure there might be something available. But there's nothing in it for the Pistons.

It is getting tiring re-explaining why Monroe holds no trade value. I feel like I've read snakebites post the same "I'm tired of explaining why this won't work" at least a dozen times. Which only shows how many times he actually explained it in the first place......


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I'm fairly certain if Monroe works out a S&T deal with the Pistons next offseason then he will retain his Bird rights. Technically because of the signing he would be on the Pistons who would hold them like they would for any other player. Then when the trade portion is executed they would transfer to the new team.

The only time Bird rights aren't retained is trading while on a QO unless I'm mistaken.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here guys.

The moment free agency begins Monroe is no longer a player on a qualifying offer. His situation is identical to that of any other unrestricted free agent, which means sign and trades are a theoretical possibility.

Of course, given the large number of teams with cap space this offseason, our leverage in such deals is extremely limited.

Ok. I wasn't sure if there was anything special for players following a QO season (i.e. his bird rights being eliminated for any situation except re-signing with Detroit).

I guess now, the dream scenario is, we trade Smith mid-season, re-sign Monroe by going over the cap, allowing us to bring in quality starters at PG and SF....what a pipedream that would be....forget reality...